Deceased/Not Found CA - Heidi Planck, 39, left son’s football game in Downey, dog found in Los Angeles, 17 Oct 2021 #5

[Ducky123]

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I’m not very knowledgeable about it, but I was watching Tv drama where a HS kid snorted cocaine that was laced with fentanyl, and he immediately dropped to the ground and died. Yeah, I know, it was not real life, just a tv drama, but maybe it can happen like that. JMO

This is accurate. It can cause a cardiac event, unconsciousness (you could fall and hit your head on something else, etc). It’s very possible to not have enough time to be saved. That’s why they let anyone get and carry Narcan, without an RX.

 

[cvaldez1975]

True. There are GPS devices for dogs although I don't think they are used in a similar manner as microchips. And even if they were, it's never been reported Seven had a GPS collar device. Never. The device he had has always been referred to as a chip/microchip. And those are not tracking devices despite multiple reports saying JW used the chip to "track" the dog to the H&F over a week after HP was last seen at the game.

GPS collar devices tend to be heavy and tend to need very frequent battery replacements. Some need the rechargeable batteries rotated out daily. Some have batteries that last a couple of days. But all are very heavy battery-users. From what's been reported, JW didn't try to find Seven until after he got HP's phone from her house on the 21st. Then he said he waited until the 25th, 8 days after HP and the dog were last seen to listen to messages to see if there was one about Seven. There just no evidence there was a GPS device. But if there had been, the battery would have been long dead 8 days after HP was last seen. And how would a GPS device lead to a call to HP from the dog-finders? Or are we assuming Seven had a chip AND a GPS device?

Also, the range of GPS devices is not unlimited. Some are advertised to have long ranges--- and from what I can see, that means around 9 miles. The H&F is more than 9 miles from HP's home. (Usually the devices are set up with "safe zones" like one's home and backyard. An alarm sounds or a text msg is sent whenever the dog leaves those areas.)

What has been reported about finding the dog doesn't make any sense to me. As previously mentioned, it makes no sense to say JW "tracked" the dog by his chip. That couldn't happen.

It was also reported when JW said when he remembered Seven had a chip he found the relevant info and called the chip co (sometime around the 21st.) And at that time, 4 days after HP went missing, the company said the dog had been found by somebody, somewhere. That makes no sense. Reading the chip by scanner is a passive process and would not give any feedback to the company. Chips don't need batteries as they are briefly activated by the scanning device only long enough to provide a unique ID number. That number is then manually entered into the company's computerized database to get owner contact info. Maybe when the number is plugged into the database, a record is created? (That wouldn't prove the dog had been found but would prove the number had been entered.) But even after JW said the company claimed the dog had been found by somebody somewhere, and so he knew a dog finder would likely call HP, and he knew or certainly should have known a key to finding HP was finding the dog, JW didn't try to listen to messages on HP's phone for FOUR more days? Rather an incurious fellow, wasn't he?

And where did the dog-finder have Seven scanned on a Sunday night? (Reportedly the first msg was left on HP's phone that Sunday.) Was Seven also wearing an ID tag and that's how the finders got HP's number? If so, how/why did the chip company think the dog was found? I know if I found a dog with an ID tag on a collar, I'd call the number on the ID tag. If I didn't hear back after leaving messages, I certainly would not load the dog into my car after few days and drive him somewhere to be scanned for a chip. Even if the dog HAD a chip, why would I care? If the dog had an ID tag on his collar, I'd assume that info was up to date, or at least as up to date as any microchip database as those are notoriously wrong. People forget to update those. Out of sight, out of mind. And many chips that have been inserted into animals are never registered to any owner. (One study found only 58% of inserted chips were actually registered. Microchipping: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly | Trickum Ridge Animal Hospital)

So none of this makes sense to me.

The only way it makes sense is to assume JW isn't telling the truth about when and how the dog was found. He could have been asked by LE not to discuss how he found the dog. And I guess LE might have asked him to tell this made up a story about finding the dog (although I suspect he did that on his own as it's such a ridiculous story.) Or he could have his own reasons for not telling the truth about finding the dog.

JMO

im assuming they did not get the chip scanned sunday. they prob waited and went monday hoping to hear something about the owner.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Exactly! This isn't info a dealer discloses if they are even aware. According to the person who had the conversation with this woman, she stated that she also got her Adderall from the same person in the apartment building that Heidi did. But I guess hers wasn't laced??

It could have been accidental cross contamination when pressing the pills. Pressers typically add fentanyl to their street presses of Xanax and Oxy because it gives their press a better kick than the dealer down the street. If that same presser is making street presses of Adderall (a combo of detroamphetamine and amphetamine) as well, he/she could have pressed fentanyl into a batch by mistake.

How the alleged reporting witness would have known that raises some interesting questions about her connection to whoever was pressing the pills and how she is so confident using the same source for her own illicit Adderall. How does she know her own Adderall is "safe". jmo

 

[Moonbeam456]

Also occurs to me that (all) party-goers are SEVERELY anti-LE and 'know better' than to talk; tends to make the solving take longer. JMO

My opinion (based on the fact that this supposedly took place in not only a luxury apartment building but on a floor where some of the most expensive units are AND quite a few high profile people connected to the building) is that IF the overdose story is true, the people involved or in attendance at the party were probably not anti-LE but more concerned with preserving their social status/public images which is why they didn't call for help.

 

[Moonbeam456]

According to the Hope + Flower website, the apartment unit this supposedly happened in goes up for rent tomorrow, price unlisted (aka if you have to ask you can't afford it).

 

[Ducky123]

My opinion (based on the fact that this supposedly took place in not only a luxury apartment building but on a floor where some of the most expensive units are AND quite a few high profile people connected to the building) is that IF the overdose story is true, the people involved or in attendance at the party were probably not anti-LE but more concerned with preserving their social status/public images which is why they didn't call for help.

Exactly. And also, I have trouble believing an entire gathering of people stuck around to see what happened. IME they would have just kicked everyone out except for 1 or 2 and the person who lived in the unit.

 

[whitelilac]

AFAIK MasLady was not in on the planning - she was just there / witnessed the scene. Also don't know where Fentanyl report originated (could have been something else)...just assumed? (Dawn mentions this, but does not say how she knows).

"the planning": If the OD was planned, who would have wanted Heidi dead? The 1 to 5 people? What could the motive be if so? Is there a possibility that this involves Heidi's work and LLC connections after all? Someone who wanted a secret to be permanently safe? Or pay back for something major ? Didn't JS state that Heidi was stealing? Didn't he desperately want her laptop? Why?

Honestly, I had discarded the notion that Heidi's work or knowledge of nefarious activities had anything to do with this. I lean to still nixing that idea. But who knows really?

And if Heidi's death was premeditated one way or the other, how can LE get to the bottom of this without someone talking, or ratting another out?

 

[cvaldez1975]

Good points. Unless there are other witnesses who saw the dog wandering the hallways, the timeline is open. JMO, it's still most likely she dropped off the dog sometime close to the time she was spotted on the security camera. If the dog sitter let the dog out of the apartment to wander at 7 pm, that might be close to the time when they discovered Heidi was deceased.

Either way, LE probably knows what happened by now.

BBM i think they just said that, but in reality they had the dog already cuz they were dogsitting then they heard what happened and didnt want that smoke so SAID they found it wandering. that way the incident could have happened anytime. the timeline wouldnt be so tight.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Exactly. And also, I have trouble believing an entire gathering of people stuck around to see what happened. IME they would have just kicked everyone out except for 1 or 2 and the person who lived in the unit.

Yup. I imagine people would have scattered like cockroaches to get out of there before any potential authorities had a chance to arrive. No one wants to be around when paramedics or LE show up at the trap house, probably leaving only a few people stuck to deal with the problem. I can't imagine those who fled the scene had any idea someone was going to end up in a trash chute, though. If that is indeed what happened, probably only a couple of people were involved in that part. jmo

 

[bears10]

BBM i think they just said that, but in reality they had the dog already cuz they were dogsitting then they heard what happened and didnt want that smoke so SAID they found it wandering. that way the incident could have happened anytime. the timeline wouldnt be so tight.

wouldnt there be some form of text or call history in heidis phones though if she had previously used them as a dog sitter?

 

[cvaldez1975]

wouldnt there be some form of text or call history in heidis phones though if she had previously used them as a dog sitter?

good question, idk. it could be that her bf there used that neighbor as a dog sitter for his dog and she just sent hers with?

 

[Curiousobserver]

It should be easy for the police to check on the overdose story. They may have already done so: if in fact they found evidence that she is deceased in the building they have found either video evidence, a witness, or enough blood and bodily parts/fluid. They have had time to review cameras floor by floor and would likely know where there was a large party. The car will also be full of evidence- touch DNA, but just as important are the black box data; when it was started, stopped, doors opened, perhaps accurate gps. My sense is LE is very close to solving this. They know enough to look in a very specific spot in a very specific landfill...

 

[?!?]

"the planning": If the OD was planned, who would have wanted Heidi dead? The 1 to 5 people? What could the motive be if so? Is there a possibility that this involves Heidi's work and LLC connections after all? Someone who wanted a secret to be permanently safe? Or pay back for something major ? Didn't JS state that Heidi was stealing? Didn't he desperately want her laptop? Why?

Honestly, I had discarded the notion that Heidi's work or knowledge of nefarious activities had anything to do with this. I lean to still nixing that idea. But who knows really?

And if Heidi's death was premeditated one way or the other, how can LE get to the bottom of this without someone talking, or ratting another out?

I have felt all along that this was (very) work related. Don't know how much off-WS probing you've done, but that seems to me to be a strong possibility (otherwise, just too many coincidences). Essentially, YES to all your questions. IMOO!!.
Planning that I mentioned above really has to do with the vanishing act; the lacing could have been foreknown by just the one who supplied it. How convenient that (ONLY) HP was given this while there were many others around to witness that it was ACCIDENTAL...that she took it voluntarily. Think about what JW said at the outset; why did JS deliver muffins WHEN he did; why did she go to a wild (public) scene to get and take her meds? She must have known a lot, whether she was stealing or not -- lots of details don't really matter -- some of the characters here play for big stakes!

 

[Ducky123]

I have felt all along that this was (very) work related. Don't know how much off-WS probing you've done, but that seems to me to be a strong possibility (otherwise, just too many coincidences). Essentially, YES to all your questions. IMOO!!.
Planning that I mentioned above really has to do with the vanishing act; the lacing could have been foreknown by just the one who supplied it. How convenient that (ONLY) HP was given this while there were many others around to witness that it was ACCIDENTAL...that she took it voluntarily. Think about what JW said at the outset; why did JS deliver muffins WHEN he did; why did she go to a wild (public) scene to get and take her meds? She must have known a lot, whether she was stealing or not -- lots of details don't really matter -- some of the characters here play for big stakes!

Maybe others weren’t taking adderall. There could have been other things supplied. I have a feeling this went beyond medicating to control symptoms which adderall would treat. If that’s what she needed, she could have gotten an rx from a doctor. IMO the part work played in this was increasing stress in her life.

(edit, meant weren’t* taking, not “were taking”).

 

[Lillymac]

This is accurate. It can cause a cardiac event, unconsciousness (you could fall and hit your head on something else, etc). It’s very possible to not have enough time to be saved. That’s why they let anyone get and carry Narcan, without an RX.

When I first read about narcan being available without an rx, blew my mind. Where do you get it??

 

[Gobstopper]

What was HP fearful of? Had she been threatened? Why did she tell SF bf that she was afraid? This supports her death being intentional, not accidental. MOO

 

[Ducky123]

When I first read about narcan being available without an rx, blew my mind. Where do you get it??

You can get from all major pharmacies I believe. They carry the spray and provide training. EMTs and hospitals would give an injectable version.

 

[NCWatcher]

Maybe others were taking adderall. There could have been other things supplied. I have a feeling this went beyond medicating to control symptoms which adderall would treat. If that’s what she needed, she could have gotten an rx from a doctor. IMO the part work played in this was increasing stress in her life.

Supposedly HP did have an Adderall prescription (& according to JW, she had several a few years ago.) But if she took more than prescribed, she'd run out before the month did. And as people discussed earlier in WS, it's not easy to doctor shop and fill multiple prescriptions for controlled substances these days.

As to why HP died from a Fentanyl OD and no one else did (IF that's what happened) she could have been intentionally dosed as some here suggest. But it's also possible she just had an unusual reaction, it's possible the other people have more of a tolerance because they use downers alot (supposedly HP did not), it's possible Heidi's pill(s) just happened to contain more Fentanyl than theirs (quality control isn't great on counterfeit pills), or it's possible most people there weren't taking what what she was.
JMO

 

[Ducky123]

What was HP fearful of? Had she been threatened? Why did she tell SF bf that she was afraid? This supports her death being intentional, not accidental. MOO

I could hazard some guesses, totally IMO. Her behavior to me that day COULD point to some withdrawal (though not necessarily). She was reportedly nervous, maybe agitated, expressed fear, and left in the middle of her son’s game. She wouldn’t have left just to go to a party. My theory is that work had become too stressful (regardless of whether or not she was skimming). It’s possible she had a falling out with JS the week before, leading to the muffin drop. It’s also entirely possible that if she had developed a habit, that she was feeling it was becoming out of control and she may not have wanted to be alone. All completely JMO, and in no way do I blame her for what might have happened. I recognize some of the behavior as a possible red flag, that’s all.

 

[Ducky123]

Supposedly HP did have an Adderall prescription (& according to JW, she had several a few years ago.) But if she took more than prescribed, she'd run out before the month did. And as people discussed earlier in WS, it's not easy to doctor shop and fill multiple prescriptions for controlled substances these days.

As to why HP died from a Fentanyl OD and no one else did (IF that's what happened) she could have been intentionally dosed as some here suggest. But it's also possible she just had an unusual reaction, it's possible the other people have more of a tolerance because they use downers alot (supposedly HP did not), it's possible Heidi's pill(s) just happened to contain more Fentanyl than theirs (quality control isn't great on counterfeit pills), or it's possible most people there weren't taking what what she was.
JMO

Agree. Also as to the adderall rx, I’m under the impression that the allegations of multiple rx were older. Maybe five or so years? It’s possible that being raised was enough to stop the pharmacy hopping and stop it taking it all together. This could have been a recent relapse.