CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #3

[Tssiemer]

pretty sure they showed the timestamp on them, but I could be wrong. That evening, it was continually recording because of a spider web and she turned her porch light on.

I don't see a time stamp from testimony.

 

[missy1974]

That's one of the reasons why I dislike defense attorneys who's main goal is to deceive. They can't be honest if they tried which they never do.

Imo

RSBM When I read this, I would normally tend to agree; however, I have watched with more than 1 witness already, where it is my opinion, I am finding this to be the case with the prosecution. For example: the ME yesterday, steering her away from saying the family would have been bleeding. It took the defense a few questions before she said she would expect bleeding. Today, the detective, on cross, going through the things they took from the home in 2014, saying there was no evidence of a crime in the house. These are things, IMO, that the prosecution should just be bringing out in their own direct examination, by not doing that, it appears to me that they are hiding it and hoping that the defense doesn't ask. It's JMO but I am not impressed by the prosecution at this point.. my opinion is subject to change as we go on though ;-)

 

[Tortoise]

This is my synopsis of her evidence - regarding the paint on the kitchen island the results were inconclusive, there were many similarities and some differences. She consulted with industry experts or specialists and concluded that she couldn't determine whether the differences were down to the environmental factors (bra and sledgehammer in ground) and cleaning chemicals that may have chemically affected the paint in the kitchen.

 

[Tortoise]

I don't see a time stamp from testimony.

I think the times are at the bottom of the video and are obscured on the overhead projector.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, some had an idea of the McStays packing their children in their car, going out for a bite to eat or something, and running into trouble away from home, perhaps from a stranger. That looks improbable, once you tie all these objects back to the house.

So, once you’ve narrowed the choices down to: ‘kidnapped from the house and then killed’ or ‘killed in the house and then removed from the house’—I don’t think those two choices matter, when you’re trying to decide who did it.

Exactly.

It really doesnt matter legally one way or the other.

Imo

 

[Edmo]

Defense is going after her credibility, hard. I'm surprised he hasn't claimed she was so clumsy that she cross contaminated the paint chips, lol. The jury should be seeing through this, I hope.

 

[mrjitty]

I don't get paint on my bra.

So you just think it's a coincidence on the day she was murdered her bra had the same paint that was found on the sledgehammer found in the grave?

I agree this is nonsense

I get very filthy in DIY, but I don't get paint under my clothes

 

[mrjitty]

Exactly.

It really doesnt matter legally one way or the other.

Imo

This is the bright shining truth of the case

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Does this timeline work?

Chase’s phone pings at 5:48 near his home, because he IS home.

He leaves his phone at home, because he has murder in mind, and he doesn’t want it pinging near the crime scene.

He leaves, drives to Fallbrook, kills the family. There’s enough time for this between 5:47 and 7:47.

At 7:47 he leaves the McStay driveway. He drives to the park and ride by I15, leaves his truck there, and walks back to the McStay home. (It’s easy walking distance, but there’s not quite enough time. We have to think that the security camera was off by a few minutes. From what I’ve heard, that’s a common occurrence.) The reason for using the park and ride would be to hide his truck in plain sight. A strange vehicle at the McStay’s home might be noticed.

7:59 on, he messes around with Quickbooks, loads bodies into the Isuzu, etc.

9:32, he phones his own phone, as part of a vague ‘establishing an alibi’ plan.

I may have some details messed up. I lean toward the idea that he didn’t have help—

I agree. I have always felt he did everything on his own. He didn't need any help nor would he want anyone to know.

Once two people know the same secret it isn't a secret anymore.

 

[missy1974]

I think the times are at the bottom of the video and are obscured on the overhead projector.

I think the defense went through something showing the times of the recordings, in the file names too.

IIRC they also asked her if the clock or time on her computer was correct and she said it was. Plus LE did view these on her computer, I would hope they would have noted if the time was off.

 

[Force Ten]

All I can say is every time I've heard him ask if the hands were found the answer has been no, I can't say if I've heard him specifically asking about all the victims. I've never heard an answer yes when he asks if the hands were found.

Wasn't there testimony that 80% of Joseph's were found or he had?

 

[Tortoise]

Wasn't there testimony that 80% of Joseph's were found or he had?

Possibly. I've only heard pieces of some of the experts testimonies, not in their entirety. But someone has posted a picture of bones of his right hand which seems to agree with that.

 

[MrsPC]

omg...the paint testimony was so very boring. I think the only thing that she sort of clarified was that there was "gravity" involved in the deposit of paint on the bra. Or did I understand that correctly?

 

[Tortoise]

afternoon recess 15 minutes

 

[missy1974]

Afternoon recess.

Lawyers and judge talking...

Next witness... was going to be called to testify about the computers... they were told he would be called on Thursday, had plans on having their expert come on Thursday.

Something about Det. Smith for the purpose of something about CM's truck. Saying they don't have a report, etc.

Prosecution saying the witnesses were slated in ... but testimony has gone quicker...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

RSBM When I read this, I would normally tend to agree; however, I have watched with more than 1 witness already, where it is my opinion, I am finding this to be the case with the prosecution. For example: the ME yesterday, steering her away from saying the family would have been bleeding. It took the defense a few questions before she said she would expect bleeding. Today, the detective, on cross, going through the things they took from the home in 2014, saying there was no evidence of a crime in the house. These are things, IMO, that the prosecution should just be bringing out in their own direct examination, by not doing that, it appears to me that they are hiding it and hoping that the defense doesn't ask. It's JMO but I am not impressed by the prosecution at this point.. my opinion is subject to change as we go on though ;-)

I understand that you think the defense is doing a great bang up job and I respect your opinion you've had from the first day about these particular defense attorneys.

Watching the trial myself I respectfully disagree. I dislike the tactics used by this defense team although both are pretty typical. Imo the longer it goes on the jury will grow weary of these tactics.

One is very sing songy and the other one is aggressive and loves to hear themselves speak never knowing when to sitdown. It's a turnoff for me. Jmoo

The state has a long way to go and in the end all of the CE is going to pile up high and will not be seen as mere coincidences like the defense wants the jury to believe.

Its very typical for every witness to give a little to both sides.

Imo

 

[Force Ten]

I was wondering about this too... I have never heard that he was abusive to animals.

There is one report that has been from someone who lived with him. It was the comments section of an article. I will find it.

 

[Edmo]

omg...the paint testimony was so very boring. I think the only thing that she sort of clarified was that there was "gravity" involved in the deposit of paint on the bra. Or did I understand that correctly?

The bra and sledgehammer were from the original paint source. That places those items in the home, which was being painted at the time. I believe the Pros goal was to place those items at the crime scene, IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

That’s because it is inconsistent. Missy, mentioned earlier she was having difficulty with hearing the testimony, I think they need to upgrade the microphones.

The issue is the speaker is often too far from the mic

 

[mrjitty]

A circumstantial case doesn't require jurors to think of every single possibility of how paint came to be on both items,

Exactly.

This is what drives me crazy about handling of CE evidence

The defence always wants to nit pick each point. They key is there was paint on both items.