CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #6

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  • #701
Sorry. Not in the USA.
The percentage of mom's giving their children popcorn for breakfast is so low, you would be hard pressed to find any Mom doing that unless, they were extremely Poor.
Joey and Summer were NOT extremely poor.

Right. But we have to go by what Joey and Summer would have done. We may never know what their habits were, because it doesn't appear that LE ever interviewed the family about this. But unless we know what Joey and Summer's parenting style was, all we can say is that it was possible.
 
  • #702
Wow, 2 days to catch up on thread 5 and now 6. There have been so many posts about QB and who wrote what checks, that even with quotes from transcripts of what has been testified about, I am so lost, leaning one way and then the other. I finally had to skip many of them. I just hope this trial will produce the killer/s and justice served.

The trial is going to be your best resource. And you can watch that on Law & Crime Youtube. Also there has been some good commentary on that station as well.
 
  • #703
I understand what the cam covered, but even when the car passes before the truck pulls out of their driveway you can see the headlights coming. Headlights aren't straight out, they illuminate the area. I'm not sure what you mean by Joey turning around to park in front of his house? He would have just been able to drive onto his street and stop in front of his house, no need to turn around?

They may not have been looking for the Trooper to move, but if there was cam footage after 8pm, I would HOPE that they watched to see if they returned if they believed it was the Trooper leaving the driveway at 7:47pm.

From Joey's youtube channel... a video of the street... and the house. The street is actually quite wide. For him to park in front of the house, there is no need to turn around. This video actually shows Mitchely's house really well too, just to get a perspective of where it was, it's easy to use that fire hydrant to situate where her house was (matches the her side cam view)


Avocado Vista Lane was a very wide street.
 
  • #704
Someone - sorry don't recall who - last page - they asked what time Joey talked with his father & bank- all the bold below are calls between Joey & Chase.

Thursday, February 4

9:51am to 5:48pm - CM cell phone pinged in Rancho Cucamonga.

9:41am - Summer speaks to her sister in the morning, and makes plans to visit her and her newborn child.

Joey’s calls:
8am – 4pm - Joey makes work calls
8:45am – 9:31am – business call / VM retrieval
9:36am – incoming call from EIP 22 min
9:40am – incoming call from CM 3 min
2/4/2010 Incoming 10:19 AM CM 909-374 = 4 min

2/4/2010 Daytonabch, FL 10:34 AM 386-383 (F) 2 -
2/4/2010 Incoming 10:39 AM PM-father 281-475 4 – Joey to Patrick
2/4/2010 Incoming 10:43 AM EIP 949-274-4674 (A) 2 – EIP to Joey
2/4/2010 Pomona, CA 10:46 AM CM 909-374 = 4 min
2/4/2010 Incoming 11:06 AM EIP 949-274-4674 17 min – EIP to Joey
2/4/2010 Incoming 11:18 AM EIP 949-274-4674 (A) 15 min – EIP to Joey
2/4/2010 Incoming 11:33 AM CM 909-374 = 2 min
2/4/2010 Kingsport, TN 11:38 AM 423-963- 2 -
2/4/2010 Kingsport, TN 11:39 AM 423-963- 1 -
2/4/2010 Vm Retrieval 11:41 AM 123 (G) 1 -
2/4/2010 Incoming 11:43 AM Blocked NBR 6 -
2/4/2010 Incoming 11:46 AM 386-383- (A) 5 -
2/4/2010 Capstr Vly, CA 11:51 AM bank/accntnt 949-492- (A) 2 - Joey calls accountant.
2/4/2010 Pomona, CA 11:53 AM CM 909-374 2min - then Joey calls Chase at 11:53,
2/4/2010 Pomona, CA 11:56 AM CM 909-374 Text Outgoing 1 - followed by a text at 11:56
2/4/2010 Anoka, MN 11:57 AM 651-746- 1 -
2/4/2010 St Paul, MN 11:58 AM 651-261- (A) 2 -

Joey’s calls:

12 noon - 2 calls from Joey to Union Bank
2/4/2010 Daytonabch, FL 12:00 PM 386-383 (A) 2
2/4/2010 1-800 # 12:02 PM fountains 800-622- (A) 4 -
2/4/2010 Incoming 12:04 PM 203-699- (A) 8 -
2/4/2010 Vm Retrieval 12:11 PM 123 (G) 4 -
2/4/2010 Capstr Vly, CA 12:15 PM bank/accntnt 949-492- 7 - Joey speaks with the "bank/accountant" for seven minutes (or leaves VM)

So when Patrick said everything was normal with JM that day, PM hadn't talked to JM after JM found out about the bank situation...
 
  • #705
I wonder if he moved his Truck to park the Trooper back in the driveway

Something I wondered about is if the Trooper was parked where you would expect, and he moved it in order to back his truck up to the garage to load the bodies

Then he drove out, and then put the trooper back

But I am not sure why the trooper would not be captured?

Why wouldn't the Trooper have been caught on surveillance then?
 
  • #706
So when Patrick said everything was normal with JM that day, PM hadn't talked to JM after JM found out about the bank situation...

I hate to be a thorn lol But we don't know what Joey phoned the bank for (I hope they have a record of him calling). We won't know until we hear testimony, if we hear testimony.
 
  • #707
Thanks for that information.
The check's from the 5th Feb where were they generated?, thanks in advance.

Nobody knows where those checks were generated from, only that they were not written and printed from a computer found in the McStay home.
 
  • #708
Any ideas who might be testifying today

No. But I wouldn't be completely surprised if we start getting more information about Quickbooks.
 
  • #709
So when Patrick said everything was normal with JM that day, PM hadn't talked to JM after JM found out about the bank situation...

There has to be a bank rep who can testify to what JM spoke to him/her about. And banks will record conversations. So if the state can't produce a bank rep or a recording, or ideally both, then they are just speculating.
 
  • #710
I hate to be a thorn lol But we don't know what Joey phoned the bank for (I hope they have a record of him calling). We won't know until we hear testimony, if we hear testimony.

Exactly. And if Joey had called the bank about some type of potential theft or fraud, there would almost certainly be a record of that, if not follow up action on the part of the bank. That's a pretty serious issue.
 
  • #711
I understand what the cam covered, but even when the car passes before the truck pulls out of their driveway you can see the headlights coming. Headlights aren't straight out, they illuminate the area. I'm not sure what you mean by Joey turning around to park in front of his house? He would have just been able to drive onto his street and stop in front of his house, no need to turn around?

They may not have been looking for the Trooper to move, but if there was cam footage after 8pm, I would HOPE that they watched to see if they returned if they believed it was the Trooper leaving the driveway at 7:47pm.

From Joey's youtube channel... a video of the street... and the house. The street is actually quite wide. For him to park in front of the house, there is no need to turn around. This video actually shows Mitchely's house really well too, just to get a perspective of where it was, it's easy to use that fire hydrant to situate where her house was (matches the her side cam view)

When Joey came home, if he was intending to park on the street, he could either pull in to the side and straighten up by reversing, or he could turn around in the cul de sac (or by driving into the drive and backing out again) and drive along the side nearest his house to park, meaning next time he intended to leave he would be facing the right way already. It's not a question of needing to turn around it's more a question of the wide road meaning the other side was out of camera range, and his habits - Mitchley noticed that he would back into the drive, ready to leave.

Investigators didn't keep the video of his arrival home because they were only interested in what they thought was the Trooper leaving, which it turned out not to be.
 
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  • #712
They ended with Det Jason Schroeder... he was under cross still... I imagine they will start with him.

I think you are right. And then, maybe following (I'm really hoping) we'll start getting into the Quickbooks activity.
 
  • #713
When my kids were younger... sometimes going for a drive was a good thing... and provided me with a break if they were in carseats LOL I am not thinking it was going to be a long meeting, just a hand over of some papers, and not like they were going to hang out!

That's an excellent point. IF (please note my use of IF), IF the family did leave the home on the morning of the 5th, and something happened to them outside the home (as in they never made it back and that's why the home looks they way it does with zero signs of violence having occurred), it really might be that the trip started out as a means of calming those kids down so Summer could paint and Joey could work.

And carseats are a parent's best friend when you are trying to get kids that age to doze off. Magic.
 
  • #714
I'm confused... that post wasn't a reply to you? LOL

But yes, after listening to the OS's again last night, I agree with you, the defense is saying they are unrelated, they aren't even blaming DK for writing the cheques. They are however heavily implying that it was DK who was looking at the QB's online (not doing any cheque writing), prompting Joey to make some changes.

Oh sorry. Sometimes it's hard to tell.
 
  • #715
Well. In my opinion, all of the theories you put forth here have been debunked for close to 10 years.
For me. I choose to not chase the "maybe this happened, and maybe that happened".

Debunked how? We haven't heard all the evidence yet. We are only a month into what is promising to be a 6 month trial.
 
  • #716
Actually I meant stale from being out all night. Does anybody here really make popcorn for breakfast? Ever? So if it were old popcorn from the night before, the evening of the 4th, the kids didnt finish it. But then again the whole crime scene was completely staged so who knows?

Do you all think we might be spending too much time on the popcorn issue? One. It's making me hungry every time I come on this forum. I get a craving for the stuff. But also, is there really any point in speculating as to what Joey and Summer would have fed their kids, and at what time, if we don't actually know THEIR eating habits.

There are no popcorn police, at least not in my neighborhood. Unless someone in that family can say, NO WAY they would ever eat microwave popcorn at that time of day, we JUST DON'T KNOW.

There really is other tangible, verifiable evidence on this case. The popcorn kind of feels incidental at best.
 
  • #717
Exactly. So what evidence so far ties Chase to the murders? To the act of murder? Not what makes him look suspicious, but what directly ties him to the murders?

Hi there JMarsh!

The evidence which has been presented, and will continue for months to come.

I could make a detailed list, but I will spare everyone.

Plus, I really don't think any of it would change your mind one inch anyway. LOL!

It's obvious you look at any, and all CE evidence facts presented far differently than I do which is your entitled right to do, of course.

You seem to like the 'could have, or might have happened' approach when looking at what has been presented.

Your posts are very interesting in the way you look at the same CE facts thus far known, but it just isn't my style.

What really matters are the jurors who are closely following all of the CE facts as they are being presented.

Imo, they will get it, once all of the facts have been presented when they are finally allowed to link them all together once they start deliberations.

It's really not a complex case to follow. That is why I get so frustrated with the time its taking to try this particular case.

When I sat on a death penalty case it took four weeks, including the sentencing phase. Although court was held every day without exception, Monday through Friday, and usually lasted 10 hours a day of witness testimony, and one time court was held all day Saturday.

Some cases where I wasnt involved has heard testimony through the week, Saturdays, and even some were held on Sundays after church would have been over.

The judge in that death penalty case was very mindful of the jurors' time away from their normal lives, so he kept the flow of testimony fluid.

Jmo
 
  • #718
By jove, I've got it! (Sorry, I just wrote that the popcorn was incidental, but this next seems like it might be kind of relevant. Maybe not)

There is a picture of Gianni and Joseph Jr. eating popcorn on that futon. They are in their jammies, and there is natural light coming through the window. That picture had to be taken in the winter, so it's unlikely that it was taken at night, because it was dark by 5ish in December. And the pic looks to be taken around Christmas time.

They could be in their jammies in the middle of the day, but my guess is that the picture was taken in the morning.

Can't say for certain. But I'd place money on that being a morning shot. So YES no matter what other people feed their kids, Joey and Summer were not above feeding their brood popcorn in the morning. Ha! and double Ha!
 
  • #719
Hi there JMarsh!

The evidence which has presented, and will continue for months to come.

I could make a detailed list, but I will spare everyone. Plus, I really don't think any of it would change your mind one inch anyway. LOL!

It's obvious you look at any, and all CE evidence facts presented far differently than I do which is your entitled right to do, of course.

You seem to like the 'could have, or might have happened' approach when looking at what has been presented.

Your posts are very interesting in the way you look at the same CE facts thus far known, but it just isn't my style.

What really matters are the jurors who are closely following all of the CE facts as they are being presented.

Imo, they will get it, once all of the facts have been presented when they are finally allowed to link them all together once they start deliberations.

It's really not a complex case to follow. That is why I get so frustrated with the time its taking to try this particular case.

When I sat on a death penalty case it took four weeks, including the sentencing phase. Although court was held every day without exception, Monday through Friday, and usually lasted 10 hours a day of witness testimony, and one time court was held all day Saturday.

Some cases where I wasnt involved has heard testimony through the week, Saturdays, and even some were held on Sundays after church would have been over.

The judge in that death penalty case was very mindful of the jurors' time away from their normal lives, so he kept the flow of testimony fluid.

Jmo

No please. Don't spare me. I'd really like to know what you think directly ties Chase to the murders. You seem to have a lot of experience. It would be interesting to get your take.
 
  • #720
I hate to be a thorn lol But we don't know what Joey phoned the bank for (I hope they have a record of him calling). We won't know until we hear testimony, if we hear testimony.


Was the bank rep. questioned? He should be called to testify if Joey’s call to the bank was related to fraud.
 
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