CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #8

[JMarsh]

I doubt Jarvis was thrilled every month when he gambled away the rent money, leaving her alone with the kids for hours and days at a time.

And I am going out on a limb here, and stating I really doubt he paid even one dollar towards any outstanding medical bills.

I can understand your sense of justice in all of this. I don't want to see an innocent man imprisoned for something he did not do either. But to raise this man up as though he is a good and decent man, is not something he is worthy of.

imo...of course.

That's entirely speculative on your part. If Jarvis decides to give an interview or takes the stand we will know how she felt/feels, otherwise, actually, it's not really any of our business.

 

[citygirl]

I doubt Jarvis was thrilled every month when he gambled away the rent money, leaving her alone with the kids for hours and days at a time.

And I am going out on a limb here, and stating I really doubt he paid even one dollar towards any outstanding medical bills.

I can understand your sense of justice in all of this. I don't want to see an innocent man imprisoned for something he did not do either. But to raise this man up as though he is a good and decent man, is not something he is worthy of.

imo...of course.

With you. Not one penny. MOO.

 

[JMarsh]

HOW does one earn $173K a year and NOT be able to pay for health insurance?

He didn't earn the 173K free and clear. That was gross not net.

 

[JMarsh]

IIRC CM alleged that he had previously suffered a heart attack but there has been zero documentation and/or proof of this.
It is also MHO that we will never see verification of this because of HIPPA.
As many others have previously posted, what CM says or said cannot be be proven because his truthfulness has at minimum been questioned. We may never know his medical history although we know he was a physically capable man who could paint ball and dig holes in the desert...

That's untrue. There is documentation of his medical condition.

 

[missy1974]

I don't know which website you mean, but Chase was sued by Bank of America (this was well after the murders, though)-he'd been sued a number of times around the time of the murders--all related to evictions, or money owed, etc.

There is no debating that he had money issues, but these may have been due more to his medical bills than anything else. And the gambling may have been his attempt to try and make his money grow.

But a lot of people struggle economically. And side note, I could found no record of Chase ever owing back child support. He appears to have made his children a priority.

Chase didn't stand to gain anything by Joey's death. Joey was his financial lifeline. The only argument one can make for Chase having a motive here is if Joey was going to fire him, and there is zero evidence that Joey had any intention of doing this.

My first instinct was that it would be BofA that he owed money to... a credit card or something like that. If they check his balance and it's high, they will freeze and/or take it out, so never leave a high balance for to long. They wouldn't have to get a judgement because it would be in the fine print of the credit card agreement, or loan agreement. JMO

I read your other comment that he never owed child support... I actually never considered it, but I guess him and CJ did separate at some point. It was just the first thing I thought of when I glanced at his bank records, that's what it reminded me of.

 

[Edmo]

And then they change accounts... or jobs, etc. Ever try to collect child support? LOL it's the same idea, just a different debt. Here, I think Maintenance (child support) offices actually have more power, but this is what dead beat parents do. They catch up to them, so they change accounts, or they change jobs, then it takes time, and they do the same thing again...

I am not sure it's at all related, but I am just looking for a reason to why he was cashing cheques and did his banking the way he did long before he was accused of murder. This seems like a reasonable explanation. Now having that much cash in your hands is awfully tempting for someone that also has a gambling addiction, that I can agree with LOL but no way to well how much he did or didn't use in a casino, just like it's hard to tell how much he did and didn't walk out of a casino with. JMO

Um, was the 30K a year gambling a ??? That's what someone posted as testimony, no?

 

[JMarsh]

My first instinct was that it would be BofA that he owed money to... a credit card or something like that. If they check his balance and it's high, they will freeze and/or take it out, so never leave a high balance for to long. They wouldn't have to get a judgement because it would be in the fine print of the credit card agreement, or loan agreement. JMO

I read your other comment that he never owed child support... I actually never considered it, but I guess him and CJ did separate at some point. It was just the first thing I thought of when I glanced at his bank records, that's what it reminded me of.

The search warrants have a lot of information. If you have time read just the probable cause affidavits.

 

[citygirl]

That's entirely speculative on your part. If Jarvis decides to give an interview or takes the stand we will know how she felt/feels, otherwise, actually, it's not really any of our business.

Really? You speculate over and over again.That's what we do here. Opine, commiserate, speculate. We have that luxury because we are not on the jury.

 

[missy1974]

IIRC CM alleged that he had previously suffered a heart attack but there has been zero documentation and/or proof of this.
It is also MHO that we will never see verification of this because of HIPPA.
As many others have previously posted, what CM says or said cannot be be proven because his truthfulness has at minimum been questioned. We may never know his medical history although we know he was a physically capable man who could paint ball and dig holes in the desert...

If the defense decides to use that in his case, he can give permission for his medical records to be used. I could also see them bringing it in through testimony from CJ. If she was with him, at the hospital, etc., her testimony would be enough IMO

 

[Edmo]

He didn't earn the 173K free and clear. That was gross not net.

LOL, really? He could NOT afford health insurance with a 173K year income? DOES NOT COMPUTE, in my mind.

 

[Recidivist]

He didn't earn the 173K free and clear. That was gross not net.

Are you saying Joseph was taking payroll taxes with each check? I saw no evidence of that. But I do remember reading somewhere that he owed a lot of back taxes. I wouldn't be surprised that if he is set free, the IRS, and worse, the Franchise Tax Board will learn of all his unclaimed wages, and come after him.

 

[missy1974]

He would not owe child support as long as he is living with the mother. I don't think he has been paying child support during the time spent in jail. Aside from the McStays, I really feel sorry for Ms. Jarvis. I bet she lived in hell during the years spent with him.

And you keep reminding us of the bad economy back in those years. Yet he was earning way more than most of us. His financial problems weren't due to any bad economy, it was completely his own doing. And I haven't a doubt in my mind, Ms. Jarvis and her children suffered and went without due to his irresponsibility.

Do you know for sure that his income is what is reported? What I mean is that it is straight income, minus expenses? I really expected the Forensic Accountant to give us more information, and I don't think he did. They were to busy counting how many times he went to an ATM.

I am self employed by the way and I know how it can appear, but also know the reality of it.

 

[citygirl]

That's untrue. There is documentation of his medical condition.

Where?

 

[missy1974]

Incidentally, I am interested in what the IRS and the state of California have tallied as CM’s debts owed to them especially with regard to his $173,000 yearly income. Please don’t ask me for which year but I am certain he owes one government entity or more for that as well. IMO

Actually... I wonder if he ever filed? LOL

 

[missy1974]

Is it PACER?

haha I was trying to catch up and assumed someone finally answered, so did not!

 

[Edmo]

Do you know for sure that his income is what is reported? What I mean is that it is straight income, minus expenses? I really expected the Forensic Accountant to give us more information, and I don't think he did. They were to busy counting how many times he went to an ATM.

I am self employed by the way and I know how it can appear, but also know the reality of it.

If 1/2 the income CM received is true, he WOULD be able to pay his expenses, rent, child support etc . . . I have no idea where your coming from about this?

 

[Recidivist]

Do you know for sure that his income is what is reported? What I mean is that it is straight income, minus expenses? I really expected the Forensic Accountant to give us more information, and I don't think he did. They were to busy counting how many times he went to an ATM.

I am self employed by the way and I know how it can appear, but also know the reality of it.

He would receive a 1099 from anyone who paid him wages over $600.00. A copy is sent to the IRS. He would need to have receipts for his business expenses, which are deductible. I think the testimony thus far is that he spent 2% on business related expenses.

 

[citygirl]

I don't know which website you mean, but Chase was sued by Bank of America (this was well after the murders, though)-he'd been sued a number of times around the time of the murders--all related to evictions, or money owed, etc.

There is no debating that he had money issues, but these may have been due more to his medical bills than anything else. And the gambling may have been his attempt to try and make his money grow.

But a lot of people struggle economically. And side note, I could found no record of Chase ever owing back child support. He appears to have made his children a priority.

Chase didn't stand to gain anything by Joey's death. Joey was his financial lifeline. The only argument one can make for Chase having a motive here is if Joey was going to fire him, and there is zero evidence that Joey had any intention of doing this.

Can you document they were due to his medical bills or are you just speculating?

 

[Recidivist]

The warrants provide new information that describe Merritt as a convicted felon with an “extensive criminal record” who has “served multiple prison terms,” and who had racked up more than $50,000 in debt prior to the McStay family’s disappearance, including the $30,000 he owed Joseph McStay for gambling debts and $20,120.80 he owed the IRS for unpaid taxes.

 

[Bernina]

Caught the Thursday part of the trial on my phone, no internet on my "puter, 30" of snow, but I digress...........using unlimited date from my phone for a "hot spot".
So......CM's phone puts him at the site of the graves. I know enough about azimuth from being a wrangler that the witness was on the mark. Pretty cool that he used the towers that were in service during 2010, and was knowledgeable about the cell phones and towers back then. Kudos to the FBI.