CA CA - John Beck, 73, Alameda, 9 Feb 2016 #1

[Timekeeper65]

Hi Everyone,
I share the same feelings. Hoping for positive update and also sending prayers.

I like that they expanded beyond Facebook & created the blog, http://findjohnbeck.blog.com/
In addition, I like that they posted the video which was originally on FB to Youtube... where hopefully it will get higher views...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOeDLkuQaC4&feature=youtu.be

Here's to hoping!

Just watched the video on the find John Beck blog posted 2/20/2016. Both daughters appear exhausted and drained. Here it is about 10 days later. This is just so sad.

Maybe JoyM is busy with her job situation, IDK. But it was great getting updates from her every day - now nothing. I am still here, not giving up, and good to see others here every day checking in.

Where are you JB?

:candle:

 

[Xara]

I check in several times a day.

 

[Tssiemer]

OT-- Ha! You must not be old enough to either know the word or BE crotchety since it's usually used along with "old"...which I am.

:HHJP:

We used ornery.


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[Lilibet]

We used ornery.


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LOL. That works too.

 

[persimmon]

I have been following this case in quiet amazement. I hope he is found, and I mean no disrespect to his family, but I cannot find it stated anywhere that John Nelson Beck wasn't fully involved in the get rich quick scheme that bears his name. In that vein I hold out hope that he has slipped away to start a new life. Why not? Sometimes people really can fool you. Just as the John Beck system fooled so many. This is only my opinion. I do hope he's safe and sound somewhere and if so that he finds a way to alert his loved ones.

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I read that he licensed out the rights to his program a few companies. Also, it was noted that at that point he had no real involvement but obviously assumed that his materials would be used in a fair and scrupulous fashion. I guess he had too much trust un these businesses who then misused the program.

 

[skibaboo]

I hate to sound so confused and a bit crotchety, but the first blog post was 2/19 and today is the first we've heard about it? Right after asking for an update? I'm glad it's posted, but I'm not understanding what's happening or why we have been sitting here listening to crickets for a week, sending good wishes and wanting to help. I hope Joy is OK.

There is a request for help with online searches and outreach, and an email for volunteers who want to help. We could be helping with that here if we knew what was needed...while still maintaining our anonymity.

https://www.facebook.com/findjohnbeck/photos/a.582771241888930.1073741829.582750541891000/590845744414813/?type=3&theater

I must be old then I'm often very crotchety I didn't even notice the blog was not new O_O. I was browsing FB and just noticed the post on my feed last night, I came straight here to post it thinking it was new.

John and his family are on my mind every day. It must be awful, it seems to me JB had a clear plan that day, to disappear voluntarily. Not knowing if he chose to end his life, or start anew. When my friend went missing my gut instantly knew what had happened, but for months I tried to convince myself he had taken off to start anew. I think the fantasy is much easier to deal with than the reality. I don't know what JB chose to do, but I feel like I'm doing the same again, everything is telling me he chose to end his life, thinking he was doing the best thing for his loved ones. But I want him to be out there, and be OK, and come back to his family again. So I guess I will hold onto that hope, you have to don't you?

 

[ninij9]

I read that he licensed out the rights to his program a few companies. Also, it was noted that at that point he had no real involvement but obviously assumed that his materials would be used in a fair and scrupulous fashion. I guess he had too much trust un these businesses who then misused the program.

I can't find anything like that. Only what the family said. The two companies also bear his name. Even if he licensed it, he made money. He saw how it was used.

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[SCHMAE]

I think the amount of time he's been missing now makes it LESS likely he took his own life. What say you all? It seems he would have been found if so.

 

[Secrett]

I think the amount of time he's been missing now makes it LESS likely he took his own life. What say you all? It seems he would have been found if so.

Hard to say, I tend to agree because it's such a densely populated area. Unless he jumped from the Golden Gate bridge. The ocean currents underneath there are strong. Nobody witnessed a jumper that day as far as I know, I don't know how hard it is to gain access to the bridge after dark (the gates auto-lock).

The Golden Gate bridge is the 2nd most popular suicide site in the world...

It's a real mystery. I hope he is found safe.

 

[Tssiemer]

There are also cameras on that bridge.


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[Secrett]

There are also cameras on that bridge.

Thanks for pointing that out, I should have known that.

I wonder where he went.

 

[Lilibet]

I think the amount of time he's been missing now makes it LESS likely he took his own life. What say you all? It seems he would have been found if so.

I hope you're right that the length of time that's gone by makes it less likely he took his life. But if he walked into the ocean, it could be some time before he is found. I remember that it was at least two weeks before Leanne Beardon was found in someone's overgrown yard, having hung herself. Johnathan Croom was found at least a week after his car was found, even though dogs were used. He was in the woods not terribly far from his car. So it's hard to draw conclusions either way IMO. I hope John didn't choose a permanent solution.

 

[Lilibet]

I can't find anything like that. Only what the family said. The two companies also bear his name. Even if he licensed it, he made money. He saw how it was used.

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I understand what you are saying. Whether or not John made as much as the FTC claims, there had to have been some money made. At the very least, he made money earlier in real estate using his "system" that was later being marketed. So I do wonder where that earlier money went and I wonder where whatever money he made from his TV sales went. Of course, attorneys are not free and this has been a long legal case.

I do want to believe his family's understanding of the money. They are struggling with a terrible loss and I feel for them. On the other hand, there are plenty of families who don't have a clue about what husband/father is doing with money. It's really only relevant to John's disappearance if he had unknown money to access for a disappearing act. At this point, I'm going to assume his wife and daughters have accurate information and that he didn't have money with which to disappear. That doesn't make for a positive outcome for them though.

 

[krig101]

I have wondered if he has taken off to Mexico. I don't know how possible that would be. But if he had money stashed away.....Hopefully he has just gone upstate and will return home when he's ready. My heartfelt prayers to John's family and friends. Hope answers come soon....

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[Damarna]

I think the amount of time he's been missing now makes it LESS likely he took his own life. What say you all? It seems he would have been found if so.

This is a hard question. My heart doesn't want to believe he's just taken off. I've grown fond of the John Joy has described. Just taking off seems cruel to his loved ones. I just don't know what to think. I do know his family needs peace!

 

[Timekeeper65]

Agree Damarna.

Wish we had some answers.

:candle:

 

[ninij9]

I understand what you are saying. Whether or not John made as much as the FTC claims, there had to have been some money made. At the very least, he made money earlier in real estate using his "system" that was later being marketed. So I do wonder where that earlier money went and I wonder where whatever money he made from his TV sales went. Of course, attorneys are not free and this has been a long legal case.

I do want to believe his family's understanding of the money. They are struggling with a terrible loss and I feel for them. On the other hand, there are plenty of families who don't have a clue about what husband/father is doing with money. It's really only relevant to John's disappearance if he had unknown money to access for a disappearing act. At this point, I'm going to assume his wife and daughters have accurate information and that he didn't have money with which to disappear. That doesn't make for a positive outcome for them though.

Dear Lilibet, after I read my post I thought I sounded harsh. I am sorry. I was only trying to envision him somewhere alive and well, and this was the angle that I came up with. I'm such a dope sometimes. I have seen your incredible empathy on this and other threads. I didn't mean to distress all of you that have been touched by John and his family. Your compassion humbles me. Thank you.

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[cujenn81]

I just came across this memorandum about the hearing that was held on February 9th (the day John disappeared).

I'm not a lawyer but it doesn't look like this was a routine meeting to me (...although, John certainly may have told his family that). Sadly, it looks like the FTC argued their case to the judge that day, in response to his appeal.

I just don't know what to think about this new information and it makes me sad.

 

[AmandaSkis]

Good info here, cujenn81. As you noted, this court date seems to be significant. Does the affirmation mean that the family home would be taken, as was discussed in this thread earlier? Or would that have been a separate court case?

This article is from 2012. The second half has some relevant details.

http://www.law360.com/articles/394238/trustee-wants-telemarketer-s-bankruptcy-bumped-to-ch-7

 

[cujenn81]

Good info here, cujenn81. As you noted, this court date seems to be significant. Does the affirmation mean that the family home would be taken, as was discussed in this thread earlier? Or would that have been a separate court case?

I don't think the judge has ruled on the appeal yet... but those were the opposing arguments made by the FTC to the court on the day he went missing. (If I'm interpreting the document correctly---and I very well might not be because legal jargon baffles me---Ha!)

ETA: OR maybe I'm wrong and the judge did "affirm" the original decision. I just looked up this definition:

MEMORANDUM
n. 1) a brief writing, note, summary or outline. 2) A "memorandum of decision," or "memorandum opinion" are brief statements by a judge announcing his/her ruling without detail or giving extensive reasons, which may or may not be followed by a more comprehensive written decision. Such memoranda (plural) are issued by appeals courts in language such as: "The petition of appellant is denied for the reasons stated in Albini v. Younger," or "The decision below is affirmed."


So, maybe the original decision has been upheld, but a written and formal ruling hasn't been issued yet.

OR maybe this is just saying they found no material basis for an appeal to even be considered?