CA CA - John Beck, 73, Alameda, 9 Feb 2016 #2

[Lilibet]

Thank you Lillibet. I really don't feel like the family knew either. I didn't realize the bankruptcy went away with him gone. I thought she would still lose everything. I wonder if she is still living in the house?

According to this post from thread #1 and ones mentioned within it, she would lose everything, including the house. Whether that's happened yet, I'm not sure, although she seems to be listed online at that address. I can't imagine how she would pay the property taxes, unless there was money in her name that couldn't be touched. I'm not sure how that works.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eda-9-February-2016-1&p=12646694#post12646694

 

[Midge Montana]

Bump. Anything new?

 

[neesaki]

Bump. Anything new?

Nothing. Even the missing facebook page for him hasn't had anything posted on it since last year.

 

[Lilibet]

Nothing. Even the missing facebook page for him hasn't had anything posted on it since last year.

Such a strange case. I have a feeling we will either never know what happened or the answers will be a long time emerging. If his family is in the dark I really feel for them. JMO

 

[Tssiemer]

I don't think they are in the dark anymore.


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[neesaki]

I don't think they are in the dark anymore.


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I tend to think so too, but if I may ask what's you're theory? TIA

 

[GigTu]

Maybe no one is following up on Facebook because it's no longer a mystery. Does the mrs. still live in the same place or did she suddenly disappear too?

 

[nannymo]

Wasn't she supposed to lose the house in the lawsuit?

Oh! I forgot the bankruptcy went away with him gone! Is that correct?

 

[nannymo]

https://www.law360.com/articles/939031/missing-alleged-fraudster-s-wife-on-hook-for-1-75m

I guess everything doesn't go away!

Under the terms of the deal, Joyce Beck turns over the assets of her pension plan to the receiver in her husband’s Chapter 7 proceedings, and in exchange is allowed to keep her house.

Joyce Beck was never named as a defendant in the FTC’s actions against her husband. The retirement accounts she will turn over have a value of $1,755,388.49. According to the settlement, she will keep $400,000 and after this amount and taxes are deducted, the balance will be $828,771.85, the court said.

 

[neesaki]

https://www.law360.com/articles/939031/missing-alleged-fraudster-s-wife-on-hook-for-1-75m

I guess everything doesn't go away!

Under the terms of the deal, Joyce Beck turns over the assets of her pension plan to the receiver in her husband’s Chapter 7 proceedings, and in exchange is allowed to keep her house.

Joyce Beck was never named as a defendant in the FTC’s actions against her husband. The retirement accounts she will turn over have a value of $1,755,388.49. According to the settlement, she will keep $400,000 and after this amount and taxes are deducted, the balance will be $828,771.85, the court said.

I'm not much of a numbers person, so you're saying that she keeps the house and 400,000 ? Would that be more than if he hadn't disappeared ? TIA

 

[Lilibet]

Maybe no one is following up on Facebook because it's no longer a mystery. Does the mrs. still live in the same place or did she suddenly disappear too?

I've been trying without success to figure out if Beck's wife still lives there. She's still listed there, but dates are unclear. But I did find the property tax bill which has not been paid in the past four years. I can't imagine she'd be able to keep the house under those circumstances. Never mind the receivership that said the house would be sold if the appeal failed. Unfortunately, CA law prohibits the listing of the owner's name on tax bills online, so I can't tell who owns it.

https://www.acgov.org/ptax_pub_app/RealSearchInit.do?searchByParcel=true&parcelNumber=70-176-29

https://www.robbevans.com/assets/case-files/johnbeckorder01.pdf

 

[nannymo]

I'm not much of a numbers person, so you're saying that she keeps the house and 400,000 ? Would that be more than if he hadn't disappeared ? TIA

The article says it doesn't matter if he is here or not. The deal can be struck with the wife as well. It appears she gets to keep the house and $400,000 of the pension. I'm sure she can sell the house and live modestly for the remainder of her life. If he was to reappear, nothing would change.

 

[Tssiemer]

I tend to think so too, but if I may ask what's you're theory? TIA

I don't know. I used to think it was suicide. But the family has completely gone silent. If my husband was missing I'd be all over the media and here and everywhere trying to find him.

The only way I'd stop is if I had found him. Whatever condition he was in.

So I think he's either alive somewhere and they know. Or he's dead and they know. But more likely the first one.


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[GigTu]

Maybe they don't want anything to do with him, since he abandoned them and left them in the lurch to fend for themselves and deal with all his legal drama and financial problems.

 

[Lilibet]

https://www.law360.com/articles/939031/missing-alleged-fraudster-s-wife-on-hook-for-1-75m

I guess everything doesn't go away!

Under the terms of the deal, Joyce Beck turns over the assets of her pension plan to the receiver in her husband’s Chapter 7 proceedings, and in exchange is allowed to keep her house.

Joyce Beck was never named as a defendant in the FTC’s actions against her husband. The retirement accounts she will turn over have a value of $1,755,388.49. According to the settlement, she will keep $400,000 and after this amount and taxes are deducted, the balance will be $828,771.85, the court said.

Thanks for finding this. I didn't see it before posting yesterday that I couldn't find out if she still lived there. I assume she would have to pay four years of delinquent property taxes in order to keep the house or sell it.

I'm not much of a numbers person, so you're saying that she keeps the house and 400,000 ? Would that be more than if he hadn't disappeared ? TIA

I believe it would be more than they could have kept if he had stuck around. According to the link about the receivership, accounts would have been turned over in addition to real property if he lost the appeal. I assume that would include his retirement account (which would probably become hers when he was assumed to be dead).

Section II, lines 15-20. https://www.robbevans.com/assets/case-files/johnbeckorder01.pdf

Of course JB couldn't know that his wife would get such a deal if he disappeared. So what was he thinking?!

 

[QueenBea13]

Maybe they don't want anything to do with him, since he abandoned them and left them in the lurch to fend for themselves and deal with all his legal drama and financial problems.

Same if he did commit suicide, it still leaves the family to deal with all the problems the person was trying to avoid. Either way, both are very selfish acts imo. (I had a family member commit suicide & it left us picking up all the pieces, angry & bitter).


Just my random thoughts & opinions...

 

[nannymo]

I originally felt he committed suicide, but after I read about his good friend who wrote about hiding assets etc, I tend to believe he fled (with or without the families knowledge) and left everything for them to handle. Who knows, if I were in that situation and had learned how to con the public, I certainly would know how to con anyone.

I think:
1. The family could very well be involved and this was all orchestrated by Mr. Beck with his wife and daughters coached on how to react and what to do.........look like crazy until the media has lost interest, resolve the lawsuit, get what you can and someday maybe we can all see one another when I have all my assumed identities taken care of.....

2. The family doesn't have a clue and if so I feel very sad for them.

3. He committed suicide.

All JMO

 

[nannymo]

I am not sure if it has been discussed, but
1. Was it normal for his wife to take him to court and drop him off?
2. Was she always present at the court hearings and just missed this one?
3. How was he supposed to get home? Was he to call her and she would go pick him up? Was his attorney to bring him home?
4. Was his attorney surprised when he was not in court? Did he call the wife and ask where is John? Did everything proceed as usual without John?
5. Was the attorney alarmed?

I am not sure these questions have been discussed, but interesting to know. I'm going back to look at the beginning who reported him missing....

 

[Lilibet]

https://www.law360.com/articles/939031/missing-alleged-fraudster-s-wife-on-hook-for-1-75m

I guess everything doesn't go away!

Under the terms of the deal, Joyce Beck turns over the assets of her pension plan to the receiver in her husband’s Chapter 7 proceedings, and in exchange is allowed to keep her house.

Joyce Beck was never named as a defendant in the FTC’s actions against her husband. The retirement accounts she will turn over have a value of $1,755,388.49. According to the settlement, she will keep $400,000 and after this amount and taxes are deducted, the balance will be $828,771.85, the court said.

I am not sure if it has been discussed, but
1. Was it normal for his wife to take him to court and drop him off?
2. Was she always present at the court hearings and just missed this one?
3. How was he supposed to get home? Was he to call her and she would go pick him up? Was his attorney to bring him home?
4. Was his attorney surprised when he was not in court? Did he call the wife and ask where is John? Did everything proceed as usual without John?
5. Was the attorney alarmed?

I am not sure these questions have been discussed, but interesting to know. I'm going back to look at the beginning who reported him missing....

Good questions. The only one I'm pretty sure about is #2. I don't believe she was usually present for these bankruptcy meetings. They were pretty informal (not in court) from what I recall from previous posts by the family friend and by those who understand these issues.

 

[nannymo]

Thank you Lilibet. That is what I remember from early on in this case, BUT I thought later on we found out this WAS an important meeting. Therefore, my question is did Mrs. Beck go to pick him up at a certain time and he wasn't there?

Do you remember reading anywhere who reported him missing and when?

When did his wife realize he was "missing" and how was it reported? I don't recall reading or hearing anything about the circumstances he was reported missing. If the family was aware (which I really don't think they were) it might tell us a lot.

It is a good possibility considering Mr. Beck's background with his advertising scheme.