CA CA - John Beck, 73, Alameda, 9 Feb 2016 #2

[anonypotomous]

Remember that Instagram post? That was haunting. I really wanted it to be him.


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[nannymo]

Remember that Instagram post? That was haunting. I really wanted it to be him.


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I think it was him! We just don't know where he went from there.

 

[Lilibet]

Thank you Lilibet. That is what I remember from early on in this case, BUT I thought later on we found out this WAS an important meeting. Therefore, my question is did Mrs. Beck go to pick him up at a certain time and he wasn't there?

Do you remember reading anywhere who reported him missing and when?

When did his wife realize he was "missing" and how was it reported? I don't recall reading or hearing anything about the circumstances he was reported missing. If the family was aware (which I really don't think they were) it might tell us a lot.

It is a good possibility considering Mr. Beck's background with his advertising scheme.

I just went back and read quite a few pages of thread #1 and there was nothing about who reported him missing...when, why or how.

Yes, it was an important meeting, but it wasn't a formal court hearing that his wife might have attended. It was near the end of a long string of meetings regarding the bankruptcy, so I don't think it was necessarily something she would have felt compelled to attend. Perhaps he didn't want her at these meetings anyway. Somewhere on this thread a knowledgeable person explained the way these meetings work.

It's clear from his early morning computer searches that he intended to go to that part of S.F. So perhaps he told his wife he'd get home on the bus or call her to pick him up. It would be interesting to know if anyone called her to ask why he wasn't there or if he was just considered a no-show. I doubt he was reported missing right away, but probably by late afternoon or early evening. If his wife happened to be out and about, she may not have known he didn't come home until later in the day. Such a puzzle.

 

[Lilibet]

I think it was him! We just don't know where he went from there.

Yes, it was John, still carrying his folder of papers and walking with purpose. The papers have never been found.

 

[anonypotomous]

Well that makes it even more haunting. To know it was him and then .. poof!


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[1&2&3]

JMO, I think he is still alive! Being a lawyer, knowing how to con people, I feel he knew exactly how to "disappear" and start a new life. He had started stashing money years ago to avoid paying taxes on it, wife was unaware of it. Therefore, he was well set for the new life he was about to begin!

I am amazed she had such a large pension - was that really John's? I feel John knew she would come out better if he wasn't around. The settlement sounds pretty hefty to me. There are many that would like to have a $400,000. retirement fund with a house paid for! Social Security will be peanuts, but every penny counts towards living.

Now, if he does not show up for seven years, can he be declared dead and wife collect it?

I do not think anyone was aware of his plans.

 

[Lilibet]

Well that makes it even more haunting. To know it was him and then .. poof!


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You took the word "poof" right out of my mouth. No trace of him after that photo. Poof.

 

[Lilibet]

JMO, I think he is still alive! Being a lawyer, knowing how to con people, I feel he knew exactly how to "disappear" and start a new life. He had started stashing money years ago to avoid paying taxes on it, wife was unaware of it. Therefore, he was well set for the new life he was about to begin!

I am amazed she had such a large pension - was that really John's? I feel John knew she would come out better if he wasn't around. The settlement sounds pretty hefty to me. There are many that would like to have a $400,000. retirement fund with a house paid for! Social Security will be peanuts, but every penny counts towards living.

Now, if he does not show up for seven years, can he be declared dead and wife collect it?

I do not think anyone was aware of his plans.

I think there's a good chance you're right. I'm curious about him being assumed to be dead so quickly though. I thought it took years. But maybe they found evidence we didn't hear about. Or maybe they are making that assumption in order to give her something to live on. I'm not sure about social security. I imagine she has her own. If his is more, I believe she can apply to get more based on his, even if he's alive.

I don't think his wife would have to forfeit most of the retirement if it had been hers, so I'm sure it was John's. I don't know if the house is paid for though. And they did some major work on it in the past 8-10 years (I've misplaced the link) and could have refinanced the mortgage to do it. Plus she owes four years of property taxes, at least $10,000. I think she will do OK if she sells the house and downsizes. I don't expect the attorneys will ever be paid.

If there was a plan, including suicide, I doubt anyone knew.

 

[neesaki]

Yes, it was John, still carrying his folder of papers and walking with purpose. The papers have never been found.

I wonder what kind of papers... containing his offshore bank account information? Possibly an envelope with cash? Something to do with who he was meeting and where, for them to pick him up to leave the country ? I've never given it much thought til now. :thinking:

 

[neesaki]

Well that makes it even more haunting. To know it was him and then .. poof!


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You're right, so strange that there's a pic of him. Bet he never would have guessed that. But then, just nothing. As you say, poof. Yes, haunting, kind of eery actually.

 

[nannymo]

I think there's a good chance you're right. I'm curious about him being assumed to be dead so quickly though. I thought it took years. But maybe they found evidence we didn't hear about. Or maybe they are making that assumption in order to give her something to live on. I'm not sure about social security. I imagine she has her own. If his is more, I believe she can apply to get more based on his, even if he's alive.

I don't think his wife would have to forfeit most of the retirement if it had been hers, so I'm sure it was John's. I don't know if the house is paid for though. And they did some major work on it in the past 8-10 years (I've misplaced the link) and could have refinanced the mortgage to do it. Plus she owes four years of property taxes, at least $10,000. I think she will do OK if she sells the house and downsizes. I don't expect the attorneys will ever be paid.

If there was a plan, including suicide, I doubt anyone knew.

The article stated they assumed he was dead and the family felt he was dead. I don't think he has been declared dead. FWIW

 

[nannymo]

I wonder what kind of papers... containing his offshore bank account information? Possibly an envelope with cash? Something to do with who he was meeting and where, for them to pick him up to leave the country ? I've never given it much thought til now. :thinking:

I had always assumed they were papers for his court proceedings. It would make sense to keep the papers with him if he was leaving to assume another identity. This folder is not suspicious at all if I were headed to court.

If I was planning to commit suicide, I would have thrown those papers in the first trash can I came across. Why carry them with me if I wasn't planning on using them for some purpose?

One more clue to make me think he is still alive.

 

[neesaki]

I had always assumed they were papers for his court proceedings. It would make sense to keep the papers with him if he was leaving to assume another identity. This folder is not suspicious at all if I were headed to court.

If I was planning to commit suicide, I would have thrown those papers in the first trash can I came across. Why carry them with me if I wasn't planning on using them for some purpose?

One more clue to make me think he is still alive.

Probably right about court papers, though he could have had cash or other information in there as well.

 

[anonypotomous]

The more I look at the PHOTO, the more eerie it is to me..

 

[anonypotomous]

Whatever happened to the "Finding John Beck" documentary that was going to be made? I would be a great doc if done correctly and of LE and family cooperated..

Link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5536408/?ref_=ttpl_pl_tt

 

[Lilibet]

The article stated they assumed he was dead and the family felt he was dead. I don't think he has been declared dead. FWIW

I agree that he has not been declared dead, which does take some years. I was sort of mixing the two thoughts (assume and declare) together initially which wasn't accurate.

 

[QueenBea13]

I agree that he has not been declared dead, which does take some years. I was sort of mixing the two thoughts (assume and declare) together initially which wasn't accurate.

Another man’s family has filed paperwork for a death certificate after only a few weeks, so I guess it’s possible if the family strongly believes he is in fact dead & can submit proof.

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Just my random thoughts & opinions...

 

[GigTu]

I had always assumed they were papers for his court proceedings. It would make sense to keep the papers with him if he was leaving to assume another identity. This folder is not suspicious at all if I were headed to court.

If I was planning to commit suicide, I would have thrown those papers in the first trash can I came across. Why carry them with me if I wasn't planning on using them for some purpose?

One more clue to make me think he is still alive.

I think he buried/hid them somewhere out there, with intent to retrieve them at a later date. Or, he got on a boat.

 

[Lilibet]

Perusing thread #1, I ran across an interesting post by Schmae to chew on, wondering if John had any enemies in the case who would want him out of the way.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Alameda-9-Feb-2016-1&p=12396760#post12396760

The FTC case by that time was pretty much a done deal, so I sort of dismissed that idea. But there was a bankruptcy case going on with Douglas Gravink regarding hiding $300,000 in a Swiss account. A bank, an insurance company, his wife and "10 does" were part of this case with Gravink. I posted about it shortly after Schmae's post, but didn't make a sinister connection to John's disappearance for some reason.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Alameda-9-Feb-2016-1&p=12398194#post12398194

https://www.unitedstatescourts.org/federal/cacb/1733313/1-0.html

I can't open these court files about the Gravink case linked below without a Pacer account, but in the description for 1/12/16 it says that an "answer" was due 2/11/16...two days after John disappeared. There was also a summons issued 2/9/16, the day he disappeared. It would be interesting to be able to read these documents. It seems that there may have been a judgment 7/6/17...finally.

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/10485097/Zamora,_Chapter_7_Trustee_v_Gravink_et_al

This all made me wonder if John was involved in the "answer" from Gravink that was due on 2/11/16. He was said to have researched offshore investing much earlier, so he had knowledge of how to stash money. Did he have knowledge of what Gravink had done? Would John want to avoid revealing what he knew...or did Gravink not want him to reveal something? Was he helping the trustee Zamora? Or was the timing of this case and John's disappearance a random coincidence? :thinking:

It's worth reviewing the several pages past Schmae's post. John did some shady manipulation of his own finances before declaring chapter 11 bankruptcy, so one could wonder if he helped Gravink hide money and needed to be silenced or hide.

No opinion. Just questions.

 

[nannymo]

I agree there might be a connection, but I really feel John left by hîs own doing. Just the circumstances alone I think don't show abduction or murder.