GUILTY CA - Lawrence 'Larry' King, 15, fatally shot at Oxnard school, 12 Feb 2008

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joe jones said:
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0CCoQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vcstar.com%2Fnews%2F2011%2Faug%2F01%2Fteacher-testifies-at-mcinerney-trial-about%2F&ei=z0Q4Tq_nIIrD8QOa9o2UAw&usg=AFQjCNFbtmZnbC8weeCn56whSbzf23YLgA

more teachers testify, so sad that Larry w3asn't allowed to grow up and find himself, and decide for himself who he was and how he wanted to live his life, he was just a mixed up boy who like many teens found it difficulot to fit in,

I am having a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that some on the jury may feel that Larry brought this on himself, and they may not convict on the murder charges,

the way Larry was shot was cool, calm and collected, it was not during the heat of the moment, he was sat in class with his back to his killer, he was shot in the head once, and then the killer looked around at the other pupils and shot him again in the head,

we shall have to wait for the verdict to see if any on the jury feel that Larry was responsible in any way for his own murder
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Un-f__king-believeable! How can jurors NOT conclude that Larry King was responsible for his own death when that collection of baboons who teach in Oxnard has been testifying to that effect for days!

"I said something to the effect of, 'Gay rights? What about the rights of the sixth-, seventh- and eighth-graders who come here and are not ready for this information?' " Brown testified.
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What information? Larry wore a pink scarf over his uniform and was told to take it off. Now maybe that was a dress code violation, but if so, it isn't mentioned in the article; and regardless, a pink scarf doesn't require a lecture on same-sex felatio!

Larry wore pink nail polish and was told to go to the bathroom and remove it. Since when is nail polish even an indication of sexual orientation? Goth kids, punk kids, rock-and-rollers all wear various shades of polish and it has nothing do with whom they love.

Teacher after teacher has now testified that Larry was causing a "disturbance" in the school and, essentially, that he somehow shot himself in the back of the head.

Disgusting!

(But again, thanks for keeping us informed, Joe.)
 
  • #162
I'm not entirely sure why the judge is allowing this. How is this defense strategy any different from claiming a woman deserved to be raped because she wore a short skirt and too much rouge?
 
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Nova said:
I'm not entirely sure why the judge is allowing this. How is this defense strategy any different from claiming a woman deserved to be raped because she wore a short skirt and too much rouge?
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I agree, seems the judge is allowing the defence latitude, what I still don't understand is that we have had a parade of teachers all saying that Larry was disruptive, because he dressed differently, or wore make up and had them all gossiping about him,

but when asked by the state what did you witness, what did you see him do not one of them has any specific recall of anything he did, said or had made any complaints about him

something does not pass the sniff test, seems that we have now descended into territory where possible homophobia has entered the trial, the openly lesbian teacher has now been thrown under the bus and is getting some of the blame for encouraging or as on e witness said enabling Larry to be different
 
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joe jones said:
I agree, seems the judge is allowing the defence latitude, what I still don't understand is that we have had a parade of teachers all saying that Larry was disruptive, because he dressed differently, or wore make up and had them all gossiping about him,

but when asked by the state what did you witness, what did you see him do not one of them has any specific recall of anything he did, said or had made any complaints about him

something does not pass the sniff test, seems that we have now descended into territory where possible homophobia has entered the trial, the openly lesbian teacher has now been thrown under the bus and is getting some of the blame for encouraging or as on e witness said enabling Larry to be different
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And why are teachers or anybody allowed to testify that they "heard" complaints about Larry were filed with the principal or that they "heard" Larry was disruptive. That should be hearsay. (I know there are a hundred exceptions to the hearsay rule, but I've never heard of an exception that would apply here.)

Well, if anyone has any doubts why the recent law requiring the teaching of gay history in a positive manner was written the way it was, the teachers testifying in this trial make it clear.

ETA, Joe, you're right: this is classic "mob think" blaming the individual who is different and banding together to expel the "irritant" from the group. It doesn't matter that few people actually witnessed Larry King causing a disruption; the fact that he was different was "disruption" enough.
 
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I have very mixed feelings about this case. On the one hand I wanted the 14-year-old shooter tried in juvenile court in the first place. On the other, now that he is on trial in a regular court, I am disgusted by the strategy the defense is using and the fact that the judge is letting them get away with it. I think manslaughter may be a more appropriate sentence (even though it is obvious the killing was premeditated), but I hate to see this type of defense "rewarded" with a lesser verdict.
 
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Nova said:
I have very mixed feelings about this case. On the one hand I wanted the 14-year-old shooter tried in juvenile court in the first place. On the other, now that he is on trial in a regular court, I am disgusted by the strategy the defense is using and the fact that the judge is letting them get away with it. I think manslaughter may be a more appropriate sentence (even though it is obvious the killing was premeditated), but I hate to see this type of defense "rewarded" with a lesser verdict.
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manslaughter does not even come close to the events on the day of the murder, the defendant shot Larry in the head whilst Larry had his back to him, he then shot him again in the head to make sure he was dead,

and what did Larry do to make the defendant execute him like this, he wore boots with a heel, he wore make up, he is said to have made a few comments to the defendant about finding the defendant attractive or wanting the defendant to be his "baby",

this is high school, all manner of comments, bullying, teasing goes on, if all kids decided to kill there tormentors we would have massacres on a daily basis,

there is in my opinion nothing that excuses the killing of Larry, nothing that reduces it to less than murder, it is homophobia that seeps into this trial, Larry was killed because he was gay and because he was gay his murderer didn't like gay people, or was not happy with the attentions from a gay teenage boy he felt the solution to his problem was to execute Larry,

I would have had no problem with it remaining in juvenile court, I would still have hoped for a murder conviction,

I will be appalled if there is a not guilty on murder, but not suprised
 
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joe jones said:
manslaughter does not even come close to the events on the day of the murder, the defendant shot Larry in the head whilst Larry had his back to him, he then shot him again in the head to make sure he was dead,

and what did Larry do to make the defendant execute him like this, he wore boots with a heel, he wore make up, he is said to have made a few comments to the defendant about finding the defendant attractive or wanting the defendant to be his "baby",

this is high school, all manner of comments, bullying, teasing goes on, if all kids decided to kill there tormentors we would have massacres on a daily basis,

there is in my opinion nothing that excuses the killing of Larry, nothing that reduces it to less than murder, it is homophobia that seeps into this trial, Larry was killed because he was gay and because he was gay his murderer didn't like gay people, or was not happy with the attentions from a gay teenage boy he felt the solution to his problem was to execute Larry,

I would have had no problem with it remaining in juvenile court, I would still have hoped for a murder conviction,

I will be appalled if there is a not guilty on murder, but not suprised
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Well said. You are right.

I guess I'm just very uncomfortable with sentencing a younger teen (I realize he's 17 now) to life in prison. But you're right: that doesn't change the facts of the crime.
 
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Nova said:
Well said. You are right.

I guess I'm just very uncomfortable with sentencing a younger teen (I realize he's 17 now) to life in prison. But you're right: that doesn't change the facts of the crime.
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I too do not think that juveniles should receive really long sentences, he was only 14 when he committed this crime, and as atrocious as the crime was I do not think he should be thrown in prison for decades,
 
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defence will probably finish by weekend, I hope state rebutts some of the testimony that defence has put forth,
 
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joe jones said:
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0CCoQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vcstar.com%2Fnews%2F2011%2Faug%2F08%2Ftherapist-testifies-in-mcinerney-trial-that-king%2F&ei=jT9ATuabKYSw8QOF4YiKAw&usg=AFQjCNG_UckjfdlwIYCPk6FnyQkCY0PjAA

therapist testifies Larry provoked his peers, the defence team has been able to round up a whole slew of professional people to speak to Larry being in part the cause of his own murder
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I hoped the DA asked the "family counselor" whether he thinks it's also okay for girls to shoot boys who make suggestive comments.
 
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http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/ventura_county&id=8298672

another brother testifies, he is being used by defence to debunk the states white supremacist theory,

I think the state made a huge error in focusing on the white supremacy issues, they have little evidence that the defendant was very active in the movement,

the defence has been given huge latitude by the judge to bring forth witness after witness to testify to Larry almost inciting the defendant to murder him, state needs to counter this with asking the jury if Larry was harassing stuudents, and disrupting the school and it was so bad why was it that only the defendant acted upon it,
 
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