Found Deceased CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #1 *Arrest*

[ElementaryDearWatson]

Why doesn't Santa Cruz clean up, arrest the heroin highway behind this Tannery Community? It sounds like it is well known to people familiar with the area. Just asking since I am not from CA.

With this type of people living behind you, it doesn't sound safe for any age to be out alone. JMO.

Ironically it wasn't this type of person that harmed Madyson.

 

[bluesneakers]

How does it apply? If he is quiet, there is nothing to suggest he killed her because he is!

There are all kinds of things that apply to this kid. For instance, does it apply that he lived in California?

 

[perfectingpink]

From the small glimpse I have been able to glean of this child, I must say I am perplexed and quite downtrodden. How are we supposed to pick out people like him and Gabriel Gaeta as the bad guys? I have taught my children bad guys come in all shapes and sizes, but to be in the form of a seemingly good kid...just makes me sad.

 

[cluciano63]

Do we know if the murder was to hide a sexual assault? That seems most likely to me, Imo, if he was not known for being into gore, death, mutilation etc. Those hobbies are hard to hide. People usually know these kids as "weird" "a freak" etc jmo.

 

[bessie]

STOP trying to sleuth the boy. If you're finding things on the web, that's your business. Don't mention it here.

 

[anansie]

Ironically it wasn't this type of person that harmed Madyson.

I don't think the homeless people and junkies in the area have any relevance to this case.

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[SuperTmo]

Perhaps I was. When you asked why don't they clean up the homeless population, I took that to mean you thought that would be the antidote to this type of heinous crime.

Then why is that call for homeless cleanup relevant to MM's death? Curious.

Tons of people who have experienced the sketchiness of Santa Cruz for themselves have been posting about how unsafe the area is, the drugs, violence, the transients. That was a huge part of the discussion last night before her body was found. Just because she was found not killed by a druggie or a transient doesn't mean those social problems don't need to be addressed. It is relevant because it was part of the discussion last night, and is still a very real issue to other kids in that town.

 

[Lulu14]

I NEVER ever complained about legal consensual pornographic material, or regular film , music. My issue is the access to GRUESOME, VIOLENT, SADISTIC PORNOGRAPHIC IMAGES that are one click away and available to very young kids.

You're wrong. That crap is hard to find, unless you know where to look for. I never managed to spot any on my own, it was always someone else who gave me a link.

 

[anansie]

Tons of people who have experienced the sketchiness of Santa Cruz for themselves have been posting about how unsafe the area is, the drugs, violence, the transients. That was a huge part of the discussion last night before her body was found. Just because she was found not killed by a druggie or a transient doesn't mean those social problems don't need to be addressed. It is relevant because it was part of the discussion last night, and is still a very real issue to other kids in that town.

It is a problem with the area and needs fixing. But seems to have no relevance to why this murder was committed, which is why people say it has no relevance to this case.

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[bluesneakers]

From the small glimpse I have been able to glean of this child, I must say I am perplexed and quite downtrodden. How are we supposed to pick out people like him and Gabriel Gaeta as the bad guys? I have taught my children bad guys come in all shapes and sizes, but to be in the form of a seemingly good kid...just makes me sad.

I feel the same way. Are we just supposed to raise our kids to be suspicious of everyone, everywhere, all the time and never go to anyone else's house? No birthdays and slumber parties? I understand that's extreme but if there's no way for us to know what are we supposed to do? And what about parents of kids like these? I wouldn't know what to look for other than the obvious arson and animal abuse.... Very sad indeed.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I wonder what the circumstances are that will allow a teenage boy to be charged as
an adult? Hmmm

What did he lure sweet Madyson with? A piece of cake, kitten, video game? Did he think he was/could get away with it?

One thing I know for certain is that at 15, getting away with it didn't even cross his mind until after it happened. It was an impulsive decision due to an opportunity presenting itself. Just like Gabe Gaeta with Jenise Wright, except in her case, she was practically gift wrapped for him. I'm sure the 15 year old had had thoughts of doing this before, but likely no specific plan, and it just so happened that he found M in that 20 minute window while she waited for her friend, and seized the opportunity. Then panicked.

 

[blue22]

He was quiet so never revealed much about his thoughts. If he did, people would have an inkling as to his possible nature, and would be more careful about leaving their kids with him. This is why I say it applies to this case.

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Here is the thing with that line of thinking...

You also have kids (and adults for that matter) who have committed similar crimes who were very outgoing and not quiet...but people still had NO idea these things were going on inside of them. There have been plenty of cases where the perp was described as friendly, outgoing, social, etc. Yet, no one knew. Quiet does not equal guarded and troubled, just as outgoing does not equal open and honest. All personalities commit these crimes.

 

[anansie]

I feel the same way. Are we just supposed to raise our kids to be suspicious of everyone, everywhere, all the time and never go to anyone else's house? No birthdays and slumber parties? I understand that's extreme but if there's no way for us to know what are we supposed to do? And what about parents of kids like these? I wouldn't know what to look for other than the obvious arson and animal abuse.... Very sad indeed.

Being a mother myself, I go through moments like this too. At the end of the day, there is a certain element of life out of our control no matter how we try to control it. It's treading quite a fine line really.

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[SuperTmo]

It is a problem with the area and needs fixing. But seems to have no relevance to why this murder was committed, which is why people say it has no relevance to this case.

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I think it IS relevant for the simple fact that so many people's first thought was "Oh crap, all the dangerous people!" Even her own mother brought it up. What you seem to be saying is that since she wasn't killed by a transient or a druggie nobody should mention those types of people again in regards to this case.

 

[EllieBee]

I don't know if these crimes are increasing. But I do know that some teen killers are found to have been watching a lot of violent content but some seem to have zero history of being interested in anything violent or scary.

And we have no information yet about the perp. He will be tried as an adult though, I'm sure. So then we will be able to talk.

Oh how I hope you are right. I know, clinically speaking that a 15-year-old is not either legally nor emotionally, nor cognitively an adult.

That said, anyone capable of this damage on another, more vulnerable human being is not a person that can be "fixed".

He should be tried as an adult and housed in a juvenile facility until he reaches majority.

JMO.

ETA: after which he should serve an adult sentence in adult prison.

 

[anansie]

I think it IS relevant for the simple fact that so many people's first thought was "Oh crap, all the dangerous people!" Even her own mother brought it up. What you seem to be saying is that since she wasn't killed by a transient or a druggie nobody should mention those types of people again in regards to this case.

Not what I said at all and not what I implied.

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[katydid23]

You're wrong. That crap is hard to find, unless you know where to look for. I never managed to spot any on my own, it was always someone else who gave me a link.

But you were able to get a link. I imagine anyone can find someone to give them a link then?

 

[blue22]

There are all kinds of things that apply to this kid. For instance, does it apply that he lived in California?

Only in that it gave them proximity to each other, but California isn't a cause is it? People are equating being quiet with committing these crimes. It's a completely asinine equation that is based on no facts or science.

 

[blefuscu]

You're wrong. That crap is hard to find, unless you know where to look for. I never managed to spot any on my own, it was always someone else who gave me a link.

Sorry but that's not not the case. All you need to do is Google "" and millions of free sites come up, all with horrific videos on there under different categories. Yes some needs to be paid for, but even violent, sadistic, sickening videos can be accessed via a smartphone and a free site. Unfortunately I know what I'm talking about having studied this academically at university. You wouldn't believe what anyone can access through their phones. It is gruesome, violent and quite simply shocking.

 

[AmyPond]

I don't think there is a lonelier or more angst-ridden age than a 14 or 15 year old. Parents would do well from an early age to provide their children with social activities-music, sports, scouts, church, science or reading groups etc. Most 14 year olds start hating their parents lol. And they are bored and full of animosity. I am no social worker but something has to be in place by the time they turn 13/14/ Just my own opinion.

I don't know...I was never a "joiner" and I think I turned out okay. Certainly never murdered anyone.

Sounds like this kid had at least a hobby or two and helped out with various things and was possibly fairly social. So for all we know, he was involved in various groups and activities. If so, it clearly didn't help him.

I think, in general, social activities can be beneficial. But I don't think they are necessary for every single child/person.