CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[everlearning]

I tend to ignore these kinds of diagnoses when the expert has never met or treated any of the parties involved. I wouldn't pay attention to a physician who did this, nor would I for a psychologist.

What you say is true. But I still believe that by using Nick and Rob's own interviews -- own words, written and video, a professional can get some sense of their family dynamics. Or their perception of them

 

[tlcya]

What you say is true. But I still believe that by using Nick and Rob's own interviews -- own words, written and video, a professional can get some sense of their family dynamics. Or their perception of them

not to mention we sure aren't going to hear from any of the actual medical professionals involved in NR's diagnosis or treatment

 

[Jade]

Who knows if that was the sole reason for changing meds, though? It’s hard to imagine a doctor allowing such a drastic change in treatment based on this alone.

JMO

*snipped for focus

Mental health treatment teams do work to mitigate the very common weight gain side effect as pointed out in my linked and quoted article.

Mental health treatment, unless court ordered, is voluntary so the visible side effects that can cause patients to be noticed and discriminated against are alleviated as much as possible to help with their medication compliance.

Cultural stigmas and negative perceptions about mental illness and the side effects of medications can discourage people from getting help which is a concern for the medical teams looking to help their patients.

No offence to those whose go to is Harvey Levin and Dr Drew but they are media personalities looking to yield attention from this tragedy by creating spectacles of themselves on the backs of the Reiner's tragedy when they have no verifiable information due to HIPPA nor confirmed knowledge of the Reiner’s long term situation, imo.


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Patients described that initially the extent and speed of weight gain was overshadowed by psychotic experiences and their treatment. This led to a shocking realization of weight gain.

The psychological impact of weight gain, most strikingly on the self‐concept, was profound. Loss of self‐worth and changed appearance amplified a sense of vulnerability. There were further consequences on mood, activity and psychotic experiences, such as voices commenting on appearance, that were additional obstacles in the challenging process of weight loss. Sedative effects of medication also contributed.
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The psychological journey of weight gain in psychosis - PMC

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The weight-gain that can result from treatment with antipsychotic medication may lead some individuals to discontinue medication, inhibiting their potential for improved mental health (Monteleone et al. 2009).
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Switching antipsychotic medication is one method to reduce body weight, although this may not be clinically feasible. Switching from one drug to another is a clinical decision depending on several factors e.g. tolerance, safety and efficacy of molecules used. Such decisions are always to be taken in the best interest of the patient depending on the existent state of knowledge.
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If feasible, switching medication may be one solution. In many cases, weight loss (or weight control) programs will need to be incorporated into an individual holistic treatment plan.
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Weight-Gain in Psychiatric Treatment: Risks, Implications, and Strategies for Prevention and Management - PMC



all imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

*snipped for focus

Mental health treatment teams do work to mitigate the very common weight gain side effect as pointed out in my linked and quoted article.

Mental health treatment, unless court ordered, is voluntary so the visible side effects that can cause patients to be noticed and discriminated against are alleviated as much as possible to help with their medication compliance.

Cultural stigmas and negative perceptions about mental illness and the side effects of medications can discourage people from getting help which is a concern for the medical teams looking to help their patients.

No offence to those whose go to is Harvey Levin and Dr Drew but they are media personalities looking to yield attention from this tragedy by creating spectacles of themselves on the backs of the Reiner's tragedy when they have no verifiable information due to HIPPA nor confirmed knowledge of the Reiner’s long term situation, imo.


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Patients described that initially the extent and speed of weight gain was overshadowed by psychotic experiences and their treatment. This led to a shocking realization of weight gain.

The psychological impact of weight gain, most strikingly on the self‐concept, was profound. Loss of self‐worth and changed appearance amplified a sense of vulnerability. There were further consequences on mood, activity and psychotic experiences, such as voices commenting on appearance, that were additional obstacles in the challenging process of weight loss. Sedative effects of medication also contributed.
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The psychological journey of weight gain in psychosis - PMC

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The weight-gain that can result from treatment with antipsychotic medication may lead some individuals to discontinue medication, inhibiting their potential for improved mental health (Monteleone et al. 2009).
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Switching antipsychotic medication is one method to reduce body weight, although this may not be clinically feasible. Switching from one drug to another is a clinical decision depending on several factors e.g. tolerance, safety and efficacy of molecules used. Such decisions are always to be taken in the best interest of the patient depending on the existent state of knowledge.
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If feasible, switching medication may be one solution. In many cases, weight loss (or weight control) programs will need to be incorporated into an individual holistic treatment plan.
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Weight-Gain in Psychiatric Treatment: Risks, Implications, and Strategies for Prevention and Management - PMC



all imo

In the video I last posted Dr. Drew speaks about being told by a young doctor( ?) about using the GIP/GLP-1 receptor agonists along with the anti-psychotic meds to try and control the known weight gain.

 

[Jade]

In the video I last posted Dr. Drew speaks about being told by a young doctor( ?) about using the GIP/GLP-1 receptor agonists along with the anti-psychotic meds to try and control the known weight gain.

That is helpful information.

I'm sorry I didn't view it before commenting negatively about Dr Drew.

 

[tlcya]

My goal was always to be part of pop culture and relevant to young people, to interact with the people they hold in high esteem.

— Dr. Drew Pinsky, The New York Times, February 2008.
Drew Pinsky - Wikipedia

 

[Izzylizzy]

That is helpful information.

I'm sorry I didn't view it before commenting negatively about Dr Drew.

It was further into the video and I was never a fan of Drew and didn't bother looking for anything he's said about this case but I am glad I watched this video because he's hasn't been backing down from the new meds not causing the horrific violence and especially for standing toe-to-toe with Harvey who seems to me to be accepted by too many as having the absolute facts from his insiders.
@ 3:06 Drew talked with a young psychiatrist who told him they are now adding the GLP-1's along with the anti-psychotic drugs.

 

[Jade]

Nick was special and rules/guidelines did not apply and since RR said his mistake was listening to the "professionals" NR called the shots.

btw: We don't even know if there was a medication change and if there was the reason for doing so.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what calling the shots means but NR was not calling the shots as I know of the term according to R&M who said they were listening to the professionals who were calling the shots NOT Nick and they regret listening them, the professionals, instead of listening to Nick:


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Rob and Michele Reiner said that they had felt desperate during their son's struggles,

but when he would tell them that a rehab program was not working, they did not always listen and took the word of the professionals treating their son.

He was in and out of rehab centers for years and experienced homelessness as a teenager.

"We were so influenced by these people.

They would tell us he's a liar, that he was trying to manipulate us. And we believed them," Michele told the Los Angeles Times in 2015.

Rob added: "We listened to them when we should have been listening to our son."

What we know about Nick Reiner, son charged with murder of director Rob Reiner



The professionals were right NR was manipulative and a liar, imo.


all imo

 

[AuDHD]

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what calling the shots means but NR was not calling the shots as I know of the term according to R&M who said they were listening to the professionals who were calling the shots NOT Nick and they regret listening them, the professionals, instead of listening to Nick:


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Rob and Michele Reiner said that they had felt desperate during their son's struggles,

but when he would tell them that a rehab program was not working, they did not always listen and took the word of the professionals treating their son.

He was in and out of rehab centers for years and experienced homelessness as a teenager.

"We were so influenced by these people.

They would tell us he's a liar, that he was trying to manipulate us. And we believed them," Michele told the Los Angeles Times in 2015.

Rob added: "We listened to them when we should have been listening to our son."

What we know about Nick Reiner, son charged with murder of director Rob Reiner



The professionals were right NR was manipulative and a liar, imo.


all imo

Yeah we know that they said that a decade ago, but who knows where they stood on that front at the time of their murders. They had been through 10 more years of torment by that point. Perhaps they had again changed approaches JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what calling the shots means but NR was not calling the shots as I know of the term according to R&M who said they were listening to the professionals who were calling the shots NOT Nick and they regret listening them, the professionals, instead of listening to Nick:


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Rob and Michele Reiner said that they had felt desperate during their son's struggles,

but when he would tell them that a rehab program was not working, they did not always listen and took the word of the professionals treating their son.

He was in and out of rehab centers for years and experienced homelessness as a teenager.

"We were so influenced by these people.

They would tell us he's a liar, that he was trying to manipulate us. And we believed them," Michele told the Los Angeles Times in 2015.

Rob added: "We listened to them when we should have been listening to our son."

What we know about Nick Reiner, son charged with murder of director Rob Reiner



The professionals were right NR was manipulative and a liar, imo.


all imo

RR was referring to the tough love approach advised by professionals which from his interviews appears to have been long gone yet maybe they were going back to it?
Is any of the buzz true that Rob & Michelle were changing their financial support to him?
Did he have a trust though from grandfather Carl?

imo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

This is "heavy" background, while doing other things! But I really like both of them.

i recommend reading the online commenting with this .... heartbreaking stories form many folks.

John references ODD, and one of the commenters referenced her son having ODD. so scary.
When i hear about the tantrums, and Rob's need to restrain him, it reminds me of my youngest, who had Oppositional Defiant Disorder, (ODD). I'm no psychologist, but my life with him was much the same. He was kind of scary. I felt as if i was trying to raise a Chucky doll.

 

[Jade]

RR was referring to the tough love approach advised by professionals which from his interviews appears to have been long gone yet maybe they were going back to it?
Is any of the buzz true that Rob & Michelle were changing their financial support to him?
Did he have a trust though from grandfather Carl?

imo

Yeah we know that they said that a decade ago, but who knows where they stood on that front at the time of their murders. They had been through 10 more years of torment by that point. Perhaps they had again changed approaches JMO

Oh, here are some links of the more complete interview content.

I still take it as they listened to the ones with the diplomas instead of their son as he was going through the camps, rehabs, etc. in his youth when they had a say in his treatment.

As far as we know NR isn’t under a parental conservatorship.

Their regrets are of listening to the professionals when they had a minor that they were able to have input in treatment.

As an adult any professional treatment would be NR’s decision and his voluntary participation, imo.


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“Rob said in reflection of that difficult period on BUILD Series, "The whole idea of tough love and you have to be a certain way, it's not my nature, it's not the way I am built."

“If your kid is going through rough times, [as] the parent, your main job is to keep your child safe. So I would do anything,” the director said earlier in the interview. “At the end of the day, I know my child better than an expert does and I probably should have trusted my own instinct and that's one of the things I did learn about the whole experience."
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Rob Reiner and Wife Michele Shared Regret on How They Handled Son Nick's Addictions 10 Years Ago: 'We Were Desperate'

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Rob and Michele, the director later recalled, ended up adopting “tough love” tactics when facing their son’s addiction, which they later regretted. “When Nick would tell us that it wasn’t working for him, we wouldn’t listen,” he told the LA Times. “We were desperate and because the people had diplomas on their walls, we listened to them when we should have been listening to our son.”
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The tragic truth about Rob Reiner’s son Nick and how his parents desperately tried to help him

In this Post interview Nick says their tough love wasn’t really very tough for him.
4M views · 15K reactions | Rob Reiner and his son, Nick, talked about "tough love" in an interview that has resurfaced after the legendary director was found stabbed to death along with his wife, Michele. Nick Reiner, 32, is in custody. | New York Post


The R's regrets are a result of NR's manipulation of their feelings over the measures they understandably had to take to deal with his behavior, imo.

The R’s were currently in an unenviable position dealing with an adult that they dearly loved.

all imo


All imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

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In 2014 he was working with his father on "Being Charlie" and RR said during interviews in 2015 for the movie release that NR had achieved a period of sobriety .

Yet:

"Reiner also described how he wasn't sober on the press tour for the 2015 film "Being Charlie," which he co-wrote inspired by his addiction, and his father directed. He said that while he wasn't on hard drugs during appearances on programs like "The Howard Stern Show," he wasn't clean.

"I said to them, ‘Listen, I'm not in the position to do this. I'm not a quote-unquote sober guy,'" Reiner said. "I'm going to have to go on to these talk shows. They say, ‘You gotta do what they want, the whole father-son angle.' It just shows you how disgusting … I just went out there, and I just realized, ‘Look, I have a voice to some degree. I'm going to say what I've got to say while I'm here.'"

Reiner said that at the end of the day on the promotional circuit, he would "smoke a joint on the roof of my apartment."

MSN

 

[Luna20]

not to mention we sure aren't going to hear from any of the actual medical professionals involved in NR's diagnosis or treatment

I was surprised when Matthew Perry’s doctors were prosecuted. It could possibly be an issue with the doctor who changed NR meds without considering the ramifications and without monitoring him (if that is the case). There are incidents of this happening when the person is high profile-Michael Jackson.

 

[Arkay]

I was surprised when Matthew Perry’s doctors were prosecuted. It could possibly be an issue with the doctor who changed NR meds without considering the ramifications and without monitoring him (if that is the case). There are incidents of this happening when the person is high profile-Michael Jackson.

I think in those cases, we are talking about illegal use of drugs. Ketamine for Matthew Perry, and was it his doctor? I thought it was someone in his retinue.

Michael Jackson’s doctor illegally gave him hospital level drugs that were not meant to be used at home.

IMO it’s not the same as psychiatrists who prescribed drugs that NR actually needed.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I think in those cases, we are talking about illegal use of drugs. Ketamine for Matthew Perry, and was it his doctor? I thought it was someone in his retinue.

Michael Jackson’s doctor illegally gave him hospital level drugs that were not meant to be used at home.

IMO it’s not the same as psychiatrists who prescribed drugs that NR actually needed.

But we trust doctors/psychiatrists to use their medical knowledge to treat us. Obviously, the Reiners trusted Nick's psychiatrist to change his meds but it backfired horribly. I'm sure the doctor said give it a couple of weeks. The Reiners unfortunately didn't have a couple of weeks. Matthew Perry's docs were charged among others for Ketamine.

Matthew Perry was getting ketamine treatment for depression. What is this and what are the risks?

Perry had been undergoing ketamine infusion treatment to treat depression and anxiety, but became dependent on the substance.

news.northeastern.edu

 

[MerBeach]

antipsychotics, especially Risperidone can cause significant weight gain. I am speaking from personal experience with a close loved one. This is common knowledge among patients, family members, loved ones dealing with mental illnesses requiring antipsychotics.

 

[JDG]

But we trust doctors/psychiatrists to use their medical knowledge to treat us. Obviously, the Reiners trusted Nick's psychiatrist to change his meds but it backfired horribly. I'm sure the doctor said give it a couple of weeks. The Reiners unfortunately didn't have a couple of weeks. Matthew Perry's docs were charged among others for Ketamine.

Matthew Perry was getting ketamine treatment for depression. What is this and what are the risks?

Perry had been undergoing ketamine infusion treatment to treat depression and anxiety, but became dependent on the substance.

news.northeastern.edu

We do not know if any of this is factual.

It may have nothing to do with a change in meds., we will have to wait and see what comes out at the trial.

Seems to me that the story has changed so much, drug changes, side effects, he was upset about weight gain to now it being a conspiracy.

The truth matters, everything else is not. IMO, MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

We do not know if any of this is factual.

It may have nothing to do with a change in meds., we will have to wait and see what comes out at the trial.

Seems to me that the story has changed so much, drug changes, side effects, he was upset about weight gain to now it being a conspiracy.

The truth matters, everything else is not. IMO, MOO

But we do know. NBC and all the other newsworthy media giants wouldn't post if it wasn't the truth or didn't have reliable Intel on the matter. Sure, we can wait for a trial but i do think we have credible information from validated media outlets. Nick Reiner's medication for schizophrenia was adjusted before parents' killings, sources say

 

[katydid23]

I am perplexed by the long statement AJ made. There was really no reason at all for him to talk. I wonder if he may end up working for the kids or someone else to get the help Nick obviously needs.

I think AJ loves a mic when cameras are around. He hated giving up this very high profile case. So he wanted to keep the attention for as long as possible, imo.

I don't think his intentions are purely altruistic.