CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[katydid23]

We know that a month before the killings Nick was stable on his meds and then the doctors changed his meds and he was spiraling. They did not put him on a psychiatric hold to stabilize him. All reported by Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew Says Changing Nick Reiner's Meds Was Wrong Move, Rips California

According to TMZ, the doctors were asked by Nick and his family, to change the meds. It was not just the doctors making that decision unilaterally.

So how can we blame it on them if it was a request from the patient and his family? If they tell the doctors there is a side effect that makes Nick not want to take his meds, the doctors will want to try a new regimen.IMO

 

[katydid23]

1/9/26​

NICK REINER​

HE BELIEVES HE'S THE VICTIM OF A CONSPIRACY​

“Nick Reiner knows he killed his parents, Roband Michele Reiner, but he doesn't understand why he's in jail”.

**It’s TMZ I know but is an approved source.
Apparently they have a special on tonight BBM:

TMZ has a documentary -- "TMZ Investigates The Reiner Murders: What Really Happened" -- airing tonight on FOX and dropping Saturday on Hulu. Our sources say Nick is delusional and believes the people who put him behind bars are engaged in a "conspiracy" against him.

Nick Reiner Believes He's the Victim of a Conspiracy After Parents' Murder

Nick Reiner knows he killed his parents, Rob and Michele Reiner, but he doesn't understand why he's in jail ... sources with direct knowledge tell TMZ.

www.tmz.com

IMHOO

Well, Nick would be correct---

"Nick is delusional and believes the people who put him behind bars are engaged in a "conspiracy" against him."

There are people engaged in a conspiracy 'against' him. The Homicide Detectives and the District Attorney's office are working together to prevent Nick from being in the public ever again. Just because someone is paranoid, it does not mean they are wrong about their fears.

The thing is, that 'conspiracy' is warranted and much needed and well intentioned. He is very dangerous.

 

[katydid23]

Yeah we know that they said that a decade ago, but who knows where they stood on that front at the time of their murders. They had been through 10 more years of torment by that point. Perhaps they had again changed approaches JMO

YES...that is a very good point.

When RR said that he wished he had believed NR, and listened to him instead of the professionals, it was probably because those 18 Rehabs never helped their son. It makes sense the parents would second guess that strategy and try to take their son's suggestions instead. Maybe he had matured and learned something by now?

After Nick and his father worked on their Being Charlie film together, they tried to co-exist amicably.

Nick moved into their nice guest house, had an allowance of 10k per month and a Mercedes. Nick told his family that he was now sober. But years later he admitted, if not bragged, on the Dopey podcast, that he was not really sober-sober. He was California-sober. That means one can smoke pot , take edibles and drink. And call it 'sober.'

During this Cali-sober time, he had many erratic incidents , emotional outbursts and volatile tantrums. Including the two times he destroyed the guest house and its contents, furnishings, fixtures, electronics, etc. And he laughed about it afterwards.

So I don't think the Reiners continued to believe that they should have listened to Nick all along instead of the professionals. I think they finally realised he was manipulating them and gaslighting them all along. IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

NR certainly does not appear fat in any of the video releases relating to his arrest. I’m with Dr Drew, he was high on meth at the time. A change in meds makes it appear as if he ought to be absolved of any responsibility for the violent murders of his parents, just blame the doctors.
JMO

Video shows Nick Reiner in gas station store, LAPD arresting him for parents' murders

Video shows Nick Reiner moments before his arrest and when he was taken into custody for the murders of his parents, director Rob Reiner and Michele Singer.

abc7news.com

 

[Sadi]

YES...that is a very good point.

When RR said that he wished he had believed NR, and listened to him instead of the professionals, it was probably because those 18 Rehabs never helped their son. It makes sense the parents would second guess that strategy and try to take their son's suggestions instead. Maybe he had matured and learned something by now?

After Nick and his father worked on their Being Charlie film together, they tried to co-exist amicably.

Nick moved into their nice guest house, had an allowance of 10k per month and a Mercedes. Nick told his family that he was now sober. But years later he admitted, if not bragged, on the Dopey podcast, that he was not really sober-sober. He was California-sober. That means one can smoke pot , take edibles and drink. And call it 'sober.'

During this Cali-sober time, he had many erratic incidents , emotional outbursts and volatile tantrums. Including the two times he destroyed the guest house and its contents, furnishings, fixtures, electronics, etc. And he laughed about it afterwards.

So I don't think the Reiners continued to believe that they should have listened to Nick all along instead of the professionals. I think they finally realised he was manipulating them and gaslighting them all along. IMO

The article about Nick saying he knows he killed his parents, but doesn’t understand why he’s in jail is BS. He knows what he was doing and why he’s there, I think he’s trying to get everyone to “see” he is mentally ill and doesn’t know reality. I do think he no doubt has mental health issues. He was able to get a knife and kill both parents, walk/take transportation to another part of town, reserve a room and that’s after the murders. He’s a manipulative spoiled grown man who thinks he can get away with everything. IMO

 

[Jade]

NR certainly does not appear fat in any of the video releases relating to his arrest. I’m with Dr Drew, he was high on meth at the time. A change in meds makes it appear as if he ought to be absolved of any responsibility for the violent murders of his parents, just blame the doctors.
JMO

Video shows Nick Reiner in gas station store, LAPD arresting him for parents' murders

Video shows Nick Reiner moments before his arrest and when he was taken into custody for the murders of his parents, director Rob Reiner and Michele Singer.

abc7news.com

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If he looks thinner than the other recent pictures couldn’t it be because the medicine had in fact been discontinued?

What if it is that a change in medication did result in Nick’s degrading mental health?

Wouldn’t the doctors be interviewed, not blamed, to determine if routine but mentally disruptive medication changes contributed to his violent thoughts?

I seriously doubt absolving NR of any responsibility for murdering his parents will happen unless a possible confinement in a prison mental health ward for the rest of his life is considered a woo woo punishment?

All imo

 

[MistyWaters]

If he looks thinner than the other recent pictures couldn’t it be because the medicine had in fact been discontinued?

What if it is that a change in medication did result in Nick’s degrading mental health?

Wouldn’t the doctors be interviewed, not blamed, to determine if routine but mentally disruptive medication changes contributed to his violent thoughts?

I seriously doubt absolving NR of any responsibility for murdering his parents will happen unless a possible confinement in a prison mental health ward for the rest of his life is considered a woo woo punishment?

All imo

What if a change in medication is the last hurrah from a departing defence team? Since when did tabloids become trusted in providing the public with accurate and confidential pretrial facts? It used to be what they wrote was taken with a grain of salt. When did that change?

But yes, if it can be proven prescribed medication caused NR to have temporary insanity which resulted in the violent murders of the Reiners, I doubt NR would spend the rest of his life in prison or a mental institution. That’s why I’m not jumping on the go-free bandwagon.
JMO

 

[Jade]

What if a change in medication is the last hurrah from a departing defence team? Since when did tabloids become trusted in providing the public with accurate and confidential pretrial facts? It used to be what they wrote was taken with a grain of salt. When did that change?

But yes, if it can be proven prescribed medication caused NR to have temporary insanity which resulted in the violent murders of the Reiners, I doubt NR would spend the rest of his life in prison or a mental institution. That’s why I’m not jumping on the go-free bandwagon.
JMO

I don't know when tabloids become trusted sources pretrial I'm not aware of that being a fact.

I'm also not aware of a go free scenario as I would assume possible confinement in a mental health section of a prison.

Has anyone ever been set free before for a cold blooded double murder because of medication alone? I don't think so.

If it was temporary insanity and they can bring him to a sane state for trial then I think he will be tried in court and receive punishment as determined by jury and judge.


all imo

 

[Jade]

The article about Nick saying he knows he killed his parents, but doesn’t understand why he’s in jail is BS. He knows what he was doing and why he’s there, I think he’s trying to get everyone to “see” he is mentally ill and doesn’t know reality. I do think he no doubt has mental health issues. He was able to get a knife and kill both parents, walk/take transportation to another part of town, reserve a room and that’s after the murders. He’s a manipulative spoiled grown man who thinks he can get away with everything. IMO

You just described a person seriously ill with a mental disorder with a lack of ability to reign in his tendencies and control the urge to kill his defenseless elderly parents in their bedroom at night: an insane person.

His disordered mind of his reality has to do with perceptions and reactions not that he can't carry out simple every day tasks like walking, taking a ride, check into a motel; its what he is thinking as he is doing those rote things.

It's a mental disorder not a physical disorder.

Like NR making the partygoers uncomfortable.

An insane person can ride a bus to their determined destination just fine but they may be making everyone else on the bus uncomfortable because of their mentally ill behavior during the ride.

Proclaiming that he thinks manipulation, assume meaning he’s faking, is going to make murdering his loving parents better is also proof of insanity, imo.

To accuse the victims of poor parenting, spoiling, means have not been seeing the measures the R’s took and the professional’s advice they listened to hoping to help Nick from a very early age. Nor is it acknowledging the two fine well-functioning children they also nurtured in the same household.



All imo

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't know when tabloids become trusted sources pretrial I'm not aware of that being a fact.

I'm also not aware of a go free scenario as I would assume possible confinement in a mental health section of a prison.

Has anyone ever been set free before for a cold blooded double murder because of medication alone? I don't think so.

If it was temporary insanity and they can bring him to a sane state for trial then I think he will be tried in court and receive punishment as determined by jury and judge.


all imo

The only source leaking confidential details from ‘sources’ is the tabloids. Didn’t LAPD forewarn the public not to believe what comes from sources that are not official?

I say it’s impossible to predict the future… We have no choice but to wait to learn the facts during the eventual trial, assuming NR does not decide to plead guilty which IMO is a possibility. All the pretrial chatter involves nothing more than entertaining various possibilities, whether true or imaginary. We don’t even know if his plea will be NGRI. Only the psychiatrist who was treating NR is aware of his mental health history and he’s certainly not the person talking to the tabloids, putting his licence to practise at risk.

I think it’s interesting AJ is forced to drop the case like a hot potato at the same time as all the pro-insanity defence is leaking its way out of the tabloids. Could it be whoever might’ve paid for the retainer and was planning on funding NRs defense to ensure laws were being appropriately abided to, but then later pulled out because they adamantly objected to an insanity defence?
JMO

 

[Gemmie]

The only source leaking confidential details from ‘sources’ is the tabloids. Didn’t LAPD forewarn the public not to believe what comes from sources that are not official?

This is correct. Linking to that quote by the DA:

Post in thread 'CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025'

Dec 16, 2025

I think it would be difficult to speak after having your throat slit. imo

I don't know that we know this. Yes, it's in "MSM" (mostly tabloid-type rags IMO).

With that said, in the presser the DA of LA County Nathan Hochman said this:

"You will hear in the media... rumors. You will hear speculation. You will hear hearsay. What I'm asking everyone to do is to rely on trusted sources. If it doesn't come from the District Attorney's office, from LAPD, from the Coroner's Office, or from the courtroom itself, there is a good chance you are hearing misinformation. Because...

• Gemmie

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[MistyWaters]

This is correct. Linking to that quote by the DA:

Post in thread 'CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025'

Dec 16, 2025

I think it would be difficult to speak after having your throat slit. imo

I don't know that we know this. Yes, it's in "MSM" (mostly tabloid-type rags IMO).

With that said, in the presser the DA of LA County Nathan Hochman said this:

"You will hear in the media... rumors. You will hear speculation. You will hear hearsay. What I'm asking everyone to do is to rely on trusted sources. If it doesn't come from the District Attorney's office, from LAPD, from the Coroner's Office, or from the courtroom itself, there is a good chance you are hearing misinformation. Because...

• Gemmie

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Oh thank you very much. Appreciate that, as I couldn’t find the exact quote.

 

[LMDlong]

They finally have the next hearing date posted.

Future Proceedings
Date Time Type Result Location Department
02/23/2026 08:30AM Arraignment and Plea
Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center Dept. - 30

Past Proceedings
Date Time Type Result Location Department
01/07/2026 08:30AM Arraignment and Plea
Held - Proceedings Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center Dept. - 30

And I looked up this one - they still have Jackson as his attorney plus 2 others - ?? Maybe only the first one listed counts - Greene.

Parties:
Name & Party Type
Nick Reiner, Defendant
Kimberly Lyn Greene
Attorney for Nick Reiner
Deputy Public Defender

Caleb Edward Mason
Attorney for Nick Reiner
Private Counsel

Jacqueline Sparagna
Attorney for Nick Reiner
Private Counsel

Alan Jay Jackson
Attorney for Nick Reiner
Private Counsel



link: LA Court

Your great Niner

 

[Jade]

The only source leaking confidential details from ‘sources’ is the tabloids. Didn’t LAPD forewarn the public not to believe what comes from sources that are not official?

I say it’s impossible to predict the future… We have no choice but to wait to learn the facts during the eventual trial, assuming NR does not decide to plead guilty which IMO is a possibility. All the pretrial chatter involves nothing more than entertaining various possibilities, whether true or imaginary. We don’t even know if his plea will be NGRI. Only the psychiatrist who was treating NR is aware of his mental health history and he’s certainly not the person talking to the tabloids, putting his licence to practise at risk.

I think it’s interesting AJ is forced to drop the case like a hot potato at the same time as all the pro-insanity defence is leaking its way out of the tabloids. Could it be whoever might’ve paid for the retainer and was planning on funding NRs defense to ensure laws were being appropriately abided to, but then later pulled out because they adamantly objected to an insanity defence?
JMO

I’m reading and posting from WS TOS allowable sources for discussion on the forum so you’ve lost me on no worth of the tabloid stuff for WS.

Levin and Drew are appalling, imo, but they are WS allowed sources!


As you say we won’t know until the future what course this will take so it can’t be a determination of properly applied laws or not since no one really knows at this point.

I suspect it has something to do with possibly the elder Reiner’s will designations and even limitations concerning NR.

The rumors [!] of a conservatorship comes to mind. How far along was that, if true? I wonder what discoveries would be included in pursuing a conservatorship.

As mentioned NR, as an adult, may have his own money that needs to be organized to fund his defense.

Perhaps it’s in investments or trusts controlled by him or his own financial representative which in his current mess can’t be accessed readily, imo.

I asked AI [!] NR's worth:

As of late 2025/early 2026, Nick Reiner's estimated personal net worth is reported to be between $1 million and $3 million, derived from his independent work as a screenwriter, producer, and director.


all imo

 

[Sadi]

You just described a person seriously ill with a mental disorder with a lack of ability to reign in his tendencies and control the urge to kill his defenseless elderly parents in their bedroom at night: an insane person.

His disordered mind of his reality has to do with perceptions and reactions not that he can't carry out simple every day tasks like walking, taking a ride, check into a motel; its what he is thinking as he is doing those rote things.

It's a mental disorder not a physical disorder.

Like NR making the partygoers uncomfortable.

An insane person can ride a bus to their determined destination just fine but they may be making everyone else on the bus uncomfortable because of their mentally ill behavior during the ride.

Proclaiming that he thinks manipulation, assume meaning he’s faking, is going to make murdering his loving parents better is also proof of insanity, imo.

To accuse the victims of poor parenting, spoiling, means have not been seeing the measures the R’s took and the professional’s advice they listened to hoping to help Nick from a very early age. Nor is it acknowledging the two fine well-functioning children they also nurtured in the same household.



All imo

I didn’t accuse his parents of poor parenting or spoiling him, they did what they thought was best, including professional help. My opinion is he’s an entitled person who had very little ambition to do anything with his life. Spoiled by receiving $10K a month allowance, living in the guest house even after he trashed it previously. He was able to make choices every single day about what he would do. He could have had his own career, home and life to live independently, but didn’t go that route.

 

[Jade]

I didn’t accuse his parents of poor parenting or spoiling him, they did what they thought was best, including professional help. My opinion is he’s an entitled person who had very little ambition to do anything with his life. Spoiled by receiving $10K a month allowance, living in the guest house even after he trashed it previously. He was able to make choices every single day about what he would do. He could have had his own career, home and life to live independently, but didn’t go that route.

BBM

I didn’t accuse his parents of poor parenting or spoiling him

Then who are you accusing of spoiling him?

Spoiled by receiving $10K a month allowance,

Who did he get the allowance from then if it’s his own money from inheritance or otherwise how is that spoiling him? It’s his income. People have money. Why shouldn’t he?

I’ve know plenty of entitled folks with no good income.


living in the guest house even after he trashed it previously.

Then who are you accusing then of spoiling by letting him stay in the guest house- it’s the parent’s guest house.

Pretty presumptuous, imo, to assert that NR exhibiting being mentally ill and drug addled from a very young age and knowing that he eventually killed his parents in cold blood in their bedroom can just up and decide to live a conventional life complete with family.



All imo

 

[AuDHD]

YES...that is a very good point.

When RR said that he wished he had believed NR, and listened to him instead of the professionals, it was probably because those 18 Rehabs never helped their son. It makes sense the parents would second guess that strategy and try to take their son's suggestions instead. Maybe he had matured and learned something by now?

After Nick and his father worked on their Being Charlie film together, they tried to co-exist amicably.

Nick moved into their nice guest house, had an allowance of 10k per month and a Mercedes. Nick told his family that he was now sober. But years later he admitted, if not bragged, on the Dopey podcast, that he was not really sober-sober. He was California-sober. That means one can smoke pot , take edibles and drink. And call it 'sober.'

During this Cali-sober time, he had many erratic incidents , emotional outbursts and volatile tantrums. Including the two times he destroyed the guest house and its contents, furnishings, fixtures, electronics, etc. And he laughed about it afterwards.

So I don't think the Reiners continued to believe that they should have listened to Nick all along instead of the professionals. I think they finally realised he was manipulating them and gaslighting them all along. IMO

california sober means just weed, not booze or hard drugs.

NR reportedly didn’t drive so I’m not sure where the info on the mercedes is coming from either
JMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

According to TMZ, the doctors were asked by Nick and his family, to change the meds. It was not just the doctors making that decision unilaterally.

So how can we blame it on them if it was a request from the patient and his family? If they tell the doctors there is a side effect that makes Nick not want to take his meds, the doctors will want to try a new regimen.IMO

Yes but as said before, they should have a vast amount of medical knowledge. They could have just added Ozempic to his medication to control his weight like has been done for others with medicational side effects. However, I am not a doctor and do not know if this was discussed or if it would work with his medication. I can't blame anyone 100 percent in this tragedy. IMO

 

[katydid23]

If he looks thinner than the other recent pictures couldn’t it be because the medicine had in fact been discontinued?

No, because the defense is saying the change in meds was about 3 to 4 weeks prior to the murders. A change in medications does not mean that your body will instantly shed the prior weight.

I think that Nick must have already stopped taking the meds before the doctors prescribed new ones for him to try. That would make more sense, because he could have started to lose some of that weight earlier. Especially if he was also using meth.

What if it is that a change in medication did result in Nick’s degrading mental health?

There is no way to pin it on the doctor's because Nick was self medicating at the time, imo.

Wouldn’t the doctors be interviewed, not blamed, to determine if routine but mentally disruptive medication changes contributed to his violent thoughts?

Probably a disruption of meds 'contributed' to his violent thoughts. But is that enough to label NR as Not Guilty? Lots of things 'contributed' to NR's violent thoughts---his self medicating, his personality since childhood, his tense family dynamic, the pressure from being in the celebrity spotlight, etc etc

I seriously doubt absolving NR of any responsibility for murdering his parents will happen unless a possible confinement in a prison mental health ward for the rest of his life is considered a woo woo punishment?

There is no promise that a verdict of NGRI will ensure a life long confinement in a mental hospital. There is always the possibility that the doctors decide he is cured and stable and should be released. That is a big problem, imo.

All imo

 

[Jade]

No, because the defense is saying the change in meds was about 3 to 4 weeks prior to the murders. A change in medications does not mean that your body will instantly shed the prior weight.

I think that Nick must have already stopped taking the meds before the doctors prescribed new ones for him to try. That would make more sense, because he could have started to lose some of that weight earlier. Especially if he was also using meth.

There is no way to pin it on the doctor's because Nick was self medicating at the time, imo.

Probably a disruption of meds 'contributed' to his violent thoughts. But is that enough to label NR as Not Guilty? Lots of things 'contributed' to NR's violent thoughts---his self medicating, his personality since childhood, his tense family dynamic, the pressure from being in the celebrity spotlight, etc etc


There is no promise that a verdict of NGRI will ensure a life long confinement in a mental hospital. There is always the possibility that the doctors decide he is cured and stable and should be released. That is a big problem, imo.

Yes it would be terrible for him to not have lifelong confinement.