CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[BeginnerSleuther]

So if I understood this correctly, if NR was using drugs when he was arrested, how long would it take those drugs to exit his system in jail? If those drugs are no longer in his system now, if he is truly schizophrenic or has schizoaffective disorder, this will be evident by psychiatric experts correct?

That's complicated. How long the drugs will remain in his system depends on which drugs he used and how quickly he metabolizes them. But regardless, there has to be a prolonged period of sobriety to make a diagnosis, but even then, there are other considerations. So for example, if someone is off drugs/substances (including cigarettes, marijuana, and alcohol) for a year and in that time, they never have a psychotic episode, that doesn't mean they don't have schizophrenia. But if they're off substances for a year and in month 8, they have a psychotic episode, you can then definitively diagnose a psychotic disorder, whether it's schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder or some other psychotic disorder.

The issue in this case is that I'm not hearing of prolonged sobriety in NR with related mental health issues. I could have missed it.

 

[su5ie]

It looks like you misunderstood or misquoted my comment.
I never said they were flawed as in they did something wrong.

From my comment : ".....I feel for two people who were flawed humans like the rest of us, but did what they could to help him, right up to the end of their lives !..."

What I was trying to say was they weren't perfect, as am myself and every other human being.
No one is perfect.
They tried and did what they could and spent enormous amounts of their own money to help him.

The testimony of their shocked and saddened friends speaks volumes as to their character, not to mention the legacy they left in the entertainment world.
One actor said their popular show would not have existed had it not been for Rob's insistence that it should run ?
I think it was Seinfeld ?

Jerry Seinfeld Mourns Rob Reiner, Says ‘Seinfeld’ Would ‘Have Never Happened’ Without His Support: ‘He Saved Us From Cancellation’

Jerry Seinfeld has paid tribute to Rob Reiner following the beloved filmmaker's shocking murder alongside his wife Michele Reiner on Sunday

variety.com

So many benefitted from his and Michele's hard work.

Rob and Michele didn't deserve their fate at all and it saddens me that they were denied their long and peaceful golden years together.
Not to mention the loss their other adult children have to deal with.
It staggers the mind.
Jmo.

To err is to be human ;to forgive divine
Meaning all humans make mistakes
And the Reiners are no different, my understanding is that is what you meant @Chimera

To place them on an ethereal pedestal is dehumanising . They made mistakes but isn't that how we all learn and we see that by how hard they tried with Nick and some efforts failed even Rob stated that .

Mistakes were made with Nick by his parents and most likely others do those errors mean they should have known what was coming , it certainly does not because the reiners also seemed to abide by the second part of the quote ' to forgive divine " so they tried their best but they were flawed in a human sense of the word

 

[katydid23]

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Page Six obtained the pics on Thursday, just days after Rob and Michele were found stabbed to death in their Los Angeles home. michelereiner/Instagram
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One photo from the Instagram profile (as seen above) shows Nick giving a strained smile to the camera.

Exclusive | Rob Reiner’s son Nick’s ‘dark,’ never-before-seen Instagram page revealed

One of Nick Reiner’s former co-workers spoke to Page Six, saying, “He was the black sheep. He felt like a f–k up. He knew that.”

pagesix.com

 

[katydid23]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2012265779065241650

"Nick Reiner was put under a yearlong mental health conservatorship in 2020,
an arrangement
that will likely take center stage in his defense against charges for the murder of his parents.

The placement
— designed for people with serious mental illnesses who are found to be 'gravely disabled'
and typically originate after noncompliance with treatment —
is known for allowing involuntary psychiatric care.

The conservatorship, designed to last for a limited time, ended in 2021, according to the report."

Why did the conservatorship end only one year later? That might work against the defense, imo.

If he was 'gravely disabled' and they took such a close, day by day look at him in 2020, why did they release him so quickly?

 

[lohrtabitha]

That's complicated. How long the drugs will remain in his system depends on which drugs he used and how quickly he metabolizes them. But regardless, there has to be a prolonged period of sobriety to make a diagnosis, but even then, there are other considerations. So for example, if someone is off drugs/substances (including cigarettes, marijuana, and alcohol) for a year and in that time, they never have a psychotic episode, that doesn't mean they don't have schizophrenia. But if they're off substances for a year and in month 8, they have a psychotic episode, you can then definitively diagnose a psychotic disorder, whether it's schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder or some other psychotic disorder.

The issue in this case is that I'm not hearing of prolonged sobriety in NR with related mental health issues. I could have missed it.

Thank you! You are a blessing to this forum!

 

[katydid23]

IMO
this person is severely mentally ill,
and his condition has manifested itself since childhood.

I'm not sure about that. I don't see any evidence that he was mentally ill as a child.

I think he was a spoiled rich kid as a child. His parents were very busy and I think they mistakenly spoiled him, giving him everything he wanted without consequences when he acted up.

Throwing tantrums as a young child does not always equate as mental illness, imo.

He seems unable to lead a normal, independent life,
(school, job, starting his own family)
and had always been dependent on parents.

Again, that happens a lot in very rich families but it does not mean there is mental illness involved.
I think Nick was bratty, entitled, lazy, greedy and selfish. Not delusional.

What exactly would be the motive
if he was treated as sane?

Truth and justice. He became delusional and psychotic because of his decades of drug abuse. Meth and very strong pot, used daily, can create psychosis.

I suspect delusions, hallucinations, paranoid psychosis
(especially as his meds were being changed).

Yes, but those symptoms can be drug induced. He was sent to rehab 18 times and continuously refused to stop using drugs.

IMO
his place is in a psychiatric facility, possibly for life.

POSSIBLY????? Are we saying that he could be released early if they 'got his meds right?'

That is my AMATEUR Opinion.
(As I'm not a MH specialist)

But really,
all I read about this tragedy confirms my view on this case more & more.

JMO

All I read about this tragedy just confirms my view on this case---he was a spoiled selfish brat as a child, began abusing drugs as a teenager, and eventually became delusional and psychotic BECAUSE of his years of heavy drug abuse. imo

He killed his parents because he was angry and full of resentment because they tried to stop him from doing what he wanted.moo

He was not delusional when he killed them. He knew exactly what he was doing. He did not mistakenly believe they were space aliens or devils or CIA spies. He knew they were his parents and he was feeling rage and he stabbed them and slit their throats.

He should NEVER be allowed to walk free again. If he needs to be in a mental hospital to counteract the years of drug abuse, fine. But as soon as he is stabilised he needs to check into San Quentin. imo

 

[Walela]

Now the latest from TMZ….no surprise….

Nick Reiner May Have Been on Meth When He Killed His Parents, '2 Angry Men' Podcast

Nick Reiner's murderous rampage that resulted in the horrific death of his parents may have been fueled by more than mental illness -- meth may have played a big factor.

www.tmz.com

No surprise to me that now there is the introduction of the "possibility" of meth. I believed from the get go that he was waiting on a drug purchase when he was arrested. The area has a reputation of an open-air market for a reason. I have a feeling that NR has been buying in that market place for a while; his drug history seems to favor street drugs. If I believe his "stable meds"caused weight gain, I can completely see him resorting to using a drug known for suppressing one's appetite and weight loss as a side effect...not to mention the high. Problem with street drugs is their composition. They're not known for their purity. Who knows when they're going to get a bad batch made in someone's backyard with battery acid, drain cleaner and sawdust.

On the other hand, my opinion only, I can see NR as an unhappy person when he's stable. He may say the right things and act the way he's expected to but deep down there's no high to be had. He doesn't get the same rush or energy fix that he got the first time he used. He's an addict, always chasing that first high but never finding it.

I think msm is going to put out more of the street drug angle because the ground under the change-of-meds cause is unstable and likely to collapse. Again...just my opinion.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Excellent article from Psychology Today that sheds expert intel on the Reiner tragedy. Very good at explaining parasite and mental illness. Also mentioned here is that Rob Reiner created a foundation called the First Five in California focus on child development in the first five years of life. Maybe, it could be a possibility thst they were seeing Nick a little different from others then? I have read that Rob and Michelle were big proponents for more mental health funding.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-shaping-power-of-experience/202512/the-reiner-tragedy-what-research-tells-us

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[lohrtabitha]

I'm not sure about that. I don't see any evidence that he was mentally ill as a child.

I think he was a spoiled rich kid as a child. His parents were very busy and I think they mistakenly spoiled him, giving him everything he wanted without consequences when he acted up.

Throwing tantrums as a young child does not always equate as mental illness, imo.

Again, that happens a lot in very rich families but it does not mean there is mental illness involved.
I think Nick was bratty, entitled, lazy, greedy and selfish. Not delusional.

Truth and justice. He became delusional and psychotic because of his decades of drug abuse. Meth and very strong pot, used daily, can create psychosis.

Yes, but those symptoms can be drug induced. He was sent to rehab 18 times and continuously refused to stop using drugs.

POSSIBLY????? Are we saying that he could be released early if they 'got his meds right?'

All I read about this tragedy just confirms my view on this case---he was a spoiled selfish brat as a child, began abusing drugs as a teenager, and eventually became delusional and psychotic BECAUSE of his years of heavy drug abuse. imo

He killed his parents because he was angry and full of resentment because they tried to stop him from doing what he wanted.moo

He was not delusional when he killed them. He knew exactly what he was doing. He did not mistakenly believe they were space aliens or devils or CIA spies. He knew they were his parents and he was feeling rage and he stabbed them and slit their throats.

He should NEVER be allowed to walk free again. If he needs to be in a mental hospital to counteract the years of drug abuse, fine. But as soon as he is stabilised he needs to check into San Quentin. imo

<modsnip> I have been teaching since I was 21 and now I am 56. Teachers wear many hats. Often times we are parents, therapists, social workers, rule enforcers all rolled up into educating students. We see so many things and maybe more objectively than the parents of the students. I trust this teacher's remarks on Nick being extremely disturbed at 10 and beyond temper tantrums or spoiledness. I imagine if there is a trial, the defense will call her.IMO Nick Reiner's Former Yoga Teacher Calls Rob and Michele 'Incredibly Passionate, All-in Parents Doing Their Best' (Exclusive)

 

[MistyWaters]

<modsnip> I have been teaching since I was 21 and now I am 56. Teachers wear many hats. Often times we are parents, therapists, social workers, rule enforcers all rolled up into educating students. We see so many things and maybe more objectively than the parents of the students. I trust this teacher's remarks on Nick being extremely disturbed at 10 and beyond temper tantrums or spoiledness. I imagine if there is a trial, the defense will call her.IMO Nick Reiner's Former Yoga Teacher Calls Rob and Michele 'Incredibly Passionate, All-in Parents Doing Their Best' (Exclusive)

How would NRs teacher when he was 10 years old know whether or not he was legally insane when he murdered his parents at age 32? Merely being diagnosed with schizophrenia or any other mental illness does not automatically qualify a NGRI defence, neither does being high on meth or any other illegal drug at the time. The defence must prove he did not understand it was wrong to stab his parents to death, assuming NGRI will be the future plea. If it isn’t, he can be found guilty regardless of schizophrenia or any other mental illness.

California's Insanity Defense - The McNaghten Rule

Under California's insanity defense, you can't be convicted of a crime if you were legally insane when you committed it. Notably, you are considered legally insane if you did not understand the nature of your criminal act, or you did not understand that what you were doing was morally wrong...

www.egattorneys.com

“Under California's insanity defense, you can't be convicted of a crime if you were legally insane when you committed it. Notably, you are considered legally insane if you did not understand the nature of your criminal act, or you did not understand that what you were doing was morally wrong.

This definition of legal insanity, known as the “McNaghten rule,” Is a legal standard used to determine criminal responsibility. It states that if you plead not guilty by reason of insanity, you must prove at trial that it is more likely than not that you were legally insane when you committed the crime.”

 

[lohrtabitha]

How would NRs teacher when he was 10 years old know whether or not he was legally insane when he murdered his parents at age 32? Merely being diagnosed with schizophrenia or any other mental illness does not automatically qualify a NGRI defence, neither does being high on meth or any other illegal drug at the time. The defence must prove he did not understand it was wrong to stab his parents to death, assuming NGRI will be the future plea. If it isn’t, he can be found guilty regardless of schizophrenia or any other mental illness.

California's Insanity Defense - The McNaghten Rule

Under California's insanity defense, you can't be convicted of a crime if you were legally insane when you committed it. Notably, you are considered legally insane if you did not understand the nature of your criminal act, or you did not understand that what you were doing was morally wrong...

www.egattorneys.com

“Under California's insanity defense, you can't be convicted of a crime if you were legally insane when you committed it. Notably, you are considered legally insane if you did not understand the nature of your criminal act, or you did not understand that what you were doing was morally wrong.

This definition of legal insanity, known as the “McNaghten rule,” Is a legal standard used to determine criminal responsibility. It states that if you plead not guilty by reason of insanity, you must prove at trial that it is more likely than not that you were legally insane when you committed the crime.”

BBM. She may know a significant amount more than those looking in at the case. She is an insider. <modsnip>

 

[Cardgame]

JMO, but to me, this case feels like domestic abuse.

Doesn't it kind of seem like Nick was potentially in an abusive relationship with his parents (ie he was the perp) long before he murdered them?

Maybe he had spent years manipulating them, extorting them for money and opportunity. Smashing up property is a recognised tool of coercive control, for example. And making a movie about Nick's story feels compensatory in some way on Rob's part, a co-dependent act of appeasement.

My guess is, possibly, they were scared of him, and they loved him very much, and they had no way to escape him.

Being a perpetrator of domestic abuse doesn't meant you can't also have a mental health diagnosis, but if, for example, a perp happened to be high and extra violent - even psychotically delusionally so - when their pattern of abusive/violent behaviour escalated to murderous levels, it wouldn't usually be a reason to be found not guilty by reason of 'insanity'. Domestic abuse is a long term pattern of behaviour, not a one off incident of violence.

He may well have threatened to kill them many times before he did it. He may even have planned it quite carefully.

NB IIRC the sister did not tell police her brother was 'very ill' , she told them he was 'dangerous'.


All MOO.

 

[Arkay]

JMO, but to me, this case feels like domestic abuse.

Doesn't it kind of seem like Nick was potentially in an abusive relationship with his parents (ie he was the perp) long before he murdered them?

Maybe he had spent years manipulating them, extorting them for money and opportunity. Smashing up property is a recognised tool of coercive control, for example. And making a movie about Nick's story feels compensatory in some way on Rob's part, a co-dependent act of appeasement.

My guess is, possibly, they were scared of him, and they loved him very much, and they had no way to escape him.

Being a perpetrator of domestic abuse doesn't meant you can't also have a mental health diagnosis, but if, for example, a perp happened to be high and extra violent - even psychotically delusionally so - when their pattern of abusive/violent behaviour escalated to murderous levels, it wouldn't usually be a reason to be found not guilty by reason of 'insanity'. Domestic abuse is a long term pattern of behaviour, not a one off incident of violence.

He may well have threatened to kill them many times before he did it. He may even have planned it quite carefully.

NB IIRC the sister did not tell police her brother was 'very ill' , she told them he was 'dangerous'.


All MOO.

This is exactly how I understand this tragedy, as well.

I take note of your N.B., as I wasn’t sure if I recalled what she had said, so thank you!

 

[Chimera]

JMO, but to me, this case feels like domestic abuse.

Doesn't it kind of seem like Nick was potentially in an abusive relationship with his parents (ie he was the perp) long before he murdered them?

Maybe he had spent years manipulating them, extorting them for money and opportunity. Smashing up property is a recognised tool of coercive control, for example. And making a movie about Nick's story feels compensatory in some way on Rob's part, a co-dependent act of appeasement.

My guess is, possibly, they were scared of him, and they loved him very much, and they had no way to escape him.

Being a perpetrator of domestic abuse doesn't meant you can't also have a mental health diagnosis, but if, for example, a perp happened to be high and extra violent - even psychotically delusionally so - when their pattern of abusive/violent behaviour escalated to murderous levels, it wouldn't usually be a reason to be found not guilty by reason of 'insanity'. Domestic abuse is a long term pattern of behaviour, not a one off incident of violence.

He may well have threatened to kill them many times before he did it. He may even have planned it quite carefully.

NB IIRC the sister did not tell police her brother was 'very ill' , she told them he was 'dangerous'.


All MOO.

Bbm.
Agreed with entire post, esp. the bolded.
Those closest to nick will have more input.

Possibly NR's phone history or even if he spoke out to someone before the murders may point to premeditation ?
As far as this case, yes it will be decided in a court of law if it goes to trial, unless he's offered a plea deal ?

Would be a better outcome (a plea deal) as I fear a trial could have his public defender throwing shade at the victims; some atty's will attempt to mitigate the consequences by claiming Nick was misunderstood, had a difficult childhood, etc.
His sibling's testimony (if asked to testify) will be important-- they all grew up in that household and the siblings did not make the violent and tragic choices Nick made .

Nick's guilt or innocence is not being decided here or anywhere online as this is a true crime discussion platform only, and there's much to discuss !

I do wonder at this time if LE have the weapon and are keeping things close to the vest, so to speak ?
We can talk about this case but that doesn't mean we're influencing the outcome of a future trial.
Other cases brought us here and as far as Rob and Michele Reiner, we will see how the justice system plays out.

I for one want to see justice for this couple and for no one else to be harmed by the perp.
Yes it's more complicated than that, but whether facing prison or institutionalized, Nick needs to be where he can't harm himself nor anyone else.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

I'm not sure about that. I don't see any evidence that he was mentally ill as a child.

I think he was a spoiled rich kid as a child. His parents were very busy and I think they mistakenly spoiled him, giving him everything he wanted without consequences when he acted up.

Throwing tantrums as a young child does not always equate as mental illness, imo.

Again, that happens a lot in very rich families but it does not mean there is mental illness involved.
I think Nick was bratty, entitled, lazy, greedy and selfish. Not delusional.

Truth and justice. He became delusional and psychotic because of his decades of drug abuse. Meth and very strong pot, used daily, can create psychosis.

Yes, but those symptoms can be drug induced. He was sent to rehab 18 times and continuously refused to stop using drugs.

POSSIBLY????? Are we saying that he could be released early if they 'got his meds right?'

All I read about this tragedy just confirms my view on this case---he was a spoiled selfish brat as a child, began abusing drugs as a teenager, and eventually became delusional and psychotic BECAUSE of his years of heavy drug abuse. imo

He killed his parents because he was angry and full of resentment because they tried to stop him from doing what he wanted.moo

He was not delusional when he killed them. He knew exactly what he was doing. He did not mistakenly believe they were space aliens or devils or CIA spies. He knew they were his parents and he was feeling rage and he stabbed them and slit their throats.

He should NEVER be allowed to walk free again. If he needs to be in a mental hospital to counteract the years of drug abuse, fine. But as soon as he is stabilised he needs to check into San Quentin. imo

Bbm.
Re. the bolded, I think there is a valid fear that Nick could be released if placed in an assisted living facility or a mental health hospital ?
Imo, he could be dangerous even if stabilized and taking his proper, prescribed meds.

IF he's released (& that is a BIG IF) will his siblings be asked to house him ?
What if he relapsed ?
So many concerns if he's placed in a hospital, with an eye towards rehabilitation.

This discussion is about Nick and this crime, alone.
I do think at this time it was a crime, and not a blackout where he didn't know what he was doing, etc.
Imo.

 

[MistyWaters]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... If his plea is not NGRI because his lawyer doesn’t believe it can be proven I won’t lose interest. My opinion is meth/illegal drugs provoked him to violence.

 

[Arkay]

Rob Reiner is never going to see what I presume is his last television appearance.

He’s part of the documentary on Mel Brooks, airing on HBO on January 22, 8:00 P.M. EST, discussing the 70-year friendship between his father Carl and Mel Brooks.

Mel was with Carl when he died.

I don’t have HBO but my boyfriend does, and I know I’ll tear up watching it.

Little things, big things, all too sad.

 

[katydid23]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed>


My little brother was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. He was diagnosed at around 21 and lived until he was in his late 50's.

Our entire family was strongly invested in his life, his progress and his many setbacks. I went through many trials and tribulations, many many different types of medication changes, many different types of his living situations ---from jail visits, to halfway houses, to him living back with our parents, to him living alone in his own condo our family bought for him by all going in on the down payment, etc.

I have more first hand experience with schizophrenia than the average person. I loved my brother, always. But sometimes I was angry with him and sometimes I was afraid he might hurt someone. Especially my parents. He loved them more than anything----but he also flew into rages at home, and his doctors said it was because he felt most comfortable there, with them, and he felt free enough to let loose, and blow off steam. But it still frightened me.

One time I came home to visit my parents house and my brother had dragged my stepfather's big leather recliner out into the back yard---and he was stabbing it with an ice pick. over and over.

So I do have experience with this kind of situation. But thank you for your concern.

 

[katydid23]

BBM. She may know a significant amount more than those looking in at the case. She is an insider. <modsnip>

Are you talking about his yoga teacher? The one that spent years focusing upon teaching him yoga moves and stretches, and then going on to write a book about him and his troubles?

If she thought he was severely mentally ill, why did she write a book about his tantrums and tell everyone she worked wonders with him, successfully helping him with his tantrums? That sounds misleading, at best. imo

I think she used incredibly bad judgement, to write that book, describing incidents from Nick's personal life, publicly describing his temper tantrums and mocking them in a jokey way----'the boy who threw a chair in the air'

What kind of pressure did that put on a little kid---everyone KNEW that book was about him and that made the spotlight of celebrity even worse than before. Brentwood is a small town. That certainly didn't help Nick's reputation nor his self confidence having that book being passed around by all the local families.

I think that woman is shameless the way she keeps jumping in and putting in her two cents----look at what her book said:

The yogi offers gentle guidance to Nicky, helping him channel his wild energy via yoga poses. “He also discovers the power of stillness, focus and the courage to make things right,” the synopsis reads. “By the end of the story, Nicky doesn’t just master a few new poses — he also finds the strength within himself to apologize to his mom with a full and honest heart.”


So she thinks she helped Nick to "find the strength within himself to apologize to his mom with a full and honest heart.”

Seriously? She should be embarrassed to let people read that conclusion she came to. Does she really believe that she taught him to apologise to his mom with an honest heart????? If so, she is the one who is delusional, imo.

I think she makes teachers look bad, the way she published that poor child's emotional tantrums, just to make a buck and try to give herself some phoney clout. IMO

 

[Jade]

JMO, but to me, this case feels like domestic abuse.

Doesn't it kind of seem like Nick was potentially in an abusive relationship with his parents (ie he was the perp) long before he murdered them?

Maybe he had spent years manipulating them, extorting them for money and opportunity. Smashing up property is a recognised tool of coercive control, for example. And making a movie about Nick's story feels compensatory in some way on Rob's part, a co-dependent act of appeasement.

My guess is, possibly, they were scared of him, and they loved him very much, and they had no way to escape him.

Being a perpetrator of domestic abuse doesn't meant you can't also have a mental health diagnosis, but if, for example, a perp happened to be high and extra violent - even psychotically delusionally so - when their pattern of abusive/violent behaviour escalated to murderous levels, it wouldn't usually be a reason to be found not guilty by reason of 'insanity'. Domestic abuse is a long term pattern of behaviour, not a one off incident of violence.

He may well have threatened to kill them many times before he did it. He may even have planned it quite carefully.

NB IIRC the sister did not tell police her brother was 'very ill' , she told them he was 'dangerous'.


All MOO.

No, I don’t think so based on the descriptions of the family as cited in msm sources per WS TOS.

Could you post msm links justifying such allegations?

All I’ve seen is how loving the family was with each other.

I’ve not seen any reports of Police attending the home for DV that would lead to that conclusion please share your msm source for such a allegation.

My understanding is NR had his own money?

Could you link a msm basis for the extortion assertion?

Or anything that says NR was not staying at the home by invitation and permission of his parents?

I’ve never seen articles reporting any physical violence or mortal threats towards anyone only Nick’s own admission to property damage in trashing the guest house.

The Reiner’s were very open with media and friends no one in msm sources has said Nick was violent or threatening towards the family.

The Reiner’s surviving children have asked for privacy, respect, and for speculation to be tempered with compassion and humanity.

The Reiners were brave and carried their cross to bear with dignity and compassion, imo.

They were not ones to expel their problem onto the world.

Obviously strong, loving, hard working, high achievers with options and intelligence they weren’t abused, imo, they were living life as they chose walking beside their severely mentally ill son with a drug dependency like so very many others are in this country.

I’m grateful for their using their wealth to attempt to treat NR and not add to the already overwhelmed community with yet another mentally Ill drug addict homeless on the streets.

Responsibility taken by choice financially and physically instead of wiping their hands and dumping him on society.

Where there long nights dealing with Nick? I have no doubt there were many.

Nick apparently easily accessed the home and entered, was invited ?, into his parents room.

That says to me they were open to Nick’s being close- not scared of him.

It seems it is the sister’s roommate that made the comment “dangerous”, he did tear up the guest house, but I am happy to be corrected with a link attributing it to the sister.



All imo