Those tricks with appearance don't usually work. I was almost seated for a jury trial of a gang member murder. They brought him into the courtroom to see his jury before I was dismissed. They dressed him in a lavender plaid sweater, but he had the gang tear-drop tattoo by his eye and he glared at me. I thought he looks like a gang member in a lavender sweater. I read up on the case weeks later, they convicted him without me.
Moo...no I do not have schizophrenia but due to my own issues I frequented a mental health peer house. There was was one young man, his parents paid people to be his friend. He listened to violent music all the time, definitely living in a different reality. I can communicate with most anyone...but he was very rarely lucid. I guess you can have hope while they are young and 20ish....he disappeared but at 30 he was much more likely to be violent because because there is no hope for the parents
I doubt he was thinking logically, having murdered his parents and reportedly suffering from schizophrenia and possibly being on illegal drugs.
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neurolaunch.com
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
For the general public who loved Rob Reiner, it’s a way to participate in Shiva.
So well stated. Factual, practical, and compassionate.^^rsbm
While there is a slightly increased risk of violent behavior in some individuals with schizophrenia, it’s crucial to remember that comprehensive studies have long proven that the vast majority of people with the disorder (schizo people) are not violent, and millions go about their daily lives without incident. [A comprehensive study published in the Lancet Psychiatry found that individuals with schizophrenia were responsible for 6.6% of violent crimes, compared to 93.4% committed by individuals without the disorder].
Respectfully, while I'm not familiar with the statistics of violence on public transit, I believe OP's statement that most random extreme violence is done by schizo people, is contradicted by scientific evidence.
However, given that substance abuse is known to exacerbate psychotic symptoms and impair judgment, creating a perfect storm for potential violence. I don't think the abuse factor, or medication non-compliance, can be eliminated and/or ignored when assessing random extreme violence.
Schizophrenia and Violent Behavior: Separating Fact from Fiction
Explore the truth about schizophrenia and violent behavior, learn risk factors, prevention strategies, and how to combat stigma for better understanding.
Epidemiological studies have long reported on the association between major mental disorder and violence, including studies that specifically examined the relationship with schizophrenia.
These reports typically find that schizophrenia is related to a 4- to 6-fold increased risk of violent behavior, which has led to the view that schizophrenia and other major mental disorders are preventable causes of violence and violent crime. Indeed, expert opinion has deemed that the evidence is sufficiently robust that new research should move beyond epidemiology and focus on treatment.
Conceptual models of violence in schizophrenia postulate that patients with schizophrenia are violent as a consequence of the psychopathologic symptoms of the disorder itself (eg, delusions, hallucinations or secondary to comorbid substance use (an established risk factor for violence). An alternative model is that schizophrenia and violent behavior co-occur because of familial factors (genetic or early environmental) that are related to both (eg, personality traits such as irritability, poor anger management, or inadequate coping with stress).
If, as we hypothesize, the association of schizophrenia and violence disappears when substance abuse is accounted for and appropriate adjustments are made for confounding, this would suggest that assessment and treatment for substance abuse comorbidity should be prioritized in individuals deemed at risk. It would also explain why attempts to find psychotic symptoms associated with violence have produced contradictory results.
Ultimately, the misconceptions surrounding schizophrenia and violence don’t just hurt individuals with the disorder; they create barriers to treatment, support, and understanding. JMO
Schizophrenia, Substance Abuse, and Violent Crime - PMC
Persons with schizophrenia are thought to be at increased risk of committing violent crime 4 to 6 times the level of general population individuals without this disorder. However, risk estimates vary substantially across studies, and considerable ...
Winnipeg bus guy totally came into my mind as well when I started hearing the possible schizophrenic defense they might use with NR.
The PTSD for all those involved and first responders I can't imagine. He was released I think and is free now... it's upsetting.
I'm not sure, I think someone else mentioned it's likely standard procedure to do so?
This is a really astute and sharp point . Thanks for this angle.
I don't think there will ever be another Death Penalty carried out in California.i was curious about the state of death penalty in california, and this website explains it quite well..
The Current Status of the Death Penalty in California
California’s death penalty is legally valid but stalled by a gubernatorial moratorium and procedural challenges. Analyze the complex status.legalclarity.org
“The death penalty remains a legally valid form of punishment in California, specifically codified under Penal Code 190.2. Despite its legal status, no execution has been carried out in the state since 2006, creating a decades-long practical inactivity. This inactivity was formalized in March 2019 when Governor Gavin Newsom issued Executive Order N-09-19, instituting an executive moratorium on capital punishment.”
“While new death sentences can be handed down, no person can be executed while the executive order remains in effect.”
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I think BOTH of those things are true.Typical of media coverage, there’s contradictory information out there.
“He had lived in their guest house for around the last five years, according to reports.”
Inside Nick Reiner’s sheltered Hollywood upbringing and how he left mom ‘at her wits end’ before grisly double murder
Accommodations, ever since his childhood, were made for Nick Reiner. A source related to The Post that those around Nick were told “not to upset him.” The source continued, “They would basica…nypost.com
They don't always have to have a search warrant before going into a hotel room etc, if it is an emergency situation.
LAPD Search of Nick Reiner's Hotel Done Without Search Warrant
LAPD searched the hotel room where Nick Reiner checked in around the time his parents were murdered, and TMZ has been told the police did not have a search warrant.www.tmz.com
BINGO. I think his resentment and suppressed rage kept him unstable. He could not pass a Rehab process because he did not have the sense of urgency most addicts have. He didn't have any worries about how he was going to support himself or his children, etc.
He had so much vitriol that you could see it coming through his stare at his father.
From that article^^^^---https://nypost.com/2025/12/20/us-news/inside-nick-reiners-spoiled-hollywood-upbringing-and-how-he-left-mom-at-her-wits-end/Then you read this and it seems that he had some self control. Conveniently as long as he got what he wanted, it would keep the outbursts down.
“He wasn’t stable. There were many times when Nick had a rant and it affected everyone … Michele would say to people ‘Please don’t upset him.’ The family and all their helpers would basically cater to him. The rule was always ‘Give him what he wants.'”
That is from this article
Inside Nick Reiner’s sheltered Hollywood upbringing and how he left mom ‘at her wits end’ before grisly double murder
Accommodations, ever since his childhood, were made for Nick Reiner. A source related to The Post that those around Nick were told “not to upset him.” The source continued, “They would basica…
I don't think he was ever on meds before the incident. He was undiagnosed at that point, although his wife tried to get him to a doctor repeatedly, which he refused. He was being observed by a clinic at some point, but allowed to leave before they were able to diagnose him.Winnipeg bus guy totally came into my mind as well when I started hearing the possible schizophrenic defense they might use with NR.
IIRC, Vince Li (sp?) did go off his meds when he did the heinous crime that terrorized a bus full of people and included cannibalism
It was that case where my father who worked with criminals in corrections said that once people like him are medicated/stabilized and fully aware of what they are capable of when off meds - if they are truly remorseful, they should not want freedom or parole and if wanted to be accountable would stay in a mental health facitily to protect themselves and the public. What happens if they go off their meds again?
NR may be similar... And again, stats say schizophrenics rate for homicide is very rare and low 6-10% I think it was (I posted upthread) - so if NR is NOT actually schizophrenic, using this is a disservice to those who are. Just like saying being an addict was the only reason - that's a disservice to many addicts out there who would never kill anyone. MOO JMO
Yes! All that matters is your state of mind at the time of the act in question. If they can prove that you didn't have the capacity to understand what you were doing, and whether it was right or wrong, then that means there was no actual intent. However, you can have any mental illness under the sun and still not reach the bar of "Not Criminally Responsible on Account of Mental Disorder" (that's the Canadian term, so insert whatever they use in California here please) if you did know the difference at the time of the act, and they can prove intent. Having a diagnosed illness itself is not enough to meet the criteria for diminished responsibility.
Antipsychotics have a sedative quality, so they can achieve both simultaneously in this case.
God, this is so perfectly said. Yup, for some reason we decided this was better.
