CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[Dotta]

DBM

 

[otto]

Military don't need recruits with MH problems.
There are very strict psychological tests as these people have access to weapons.
As far as I remember Bryan K. was declined entry to such a school.
Or was he expelled?
I'm not sure now.

JMO

In Canada, there is military school for students who want to join the military, and then there's military school for problematic teens.

 

[Dotta]

... and then there's military school for problematic teens.

RSBM

In my country such places are called juvenile detention centres, but the youths (till the age of 17) are sent there by Family Court in case of serious criminal acts
(e.g. robbery, rape, severe beating)
and there is a high degree of demoralization.

 

[MistyWaters]

It actually can be a call asking for LE to attend to a situation involving violence. I've made these calls. In one case, it was DV incident in which I was on the phone with my patient as their spouse (who I knew had previously beaten my patient) was yelling in the background and then the line was cut. Police did a welfare check.

If someone suspected there was a safety issue, they could call for a welfare check, even if others are in the home. In some cases, the safety check would be for the other individuals and not necessarily the person having the crisis.

MOO.

Okay but that situation would require a callout of an emergency response team (ERT) who specialize in dangerous and higher risk situations, a bit different the traditional definition of a welfare check, to check on someone’s welfare because they can’t be reached by phone. Not to say welfare checks can’t involve danger when LE come knocking at the door but it usually isn’t perceived as a dire emergency.

It’s quite common for people who leave their children at home while working away or on vacation, if they’re unable to reach them will call LE to ask for a welfare check. I have no idea why the Reiners requested welfare checks at their address.
JMO

 

[otto]

RSBM

In my country such places are called juvenile detention centres, but the youths (till the age of 17) are sent there by Family Court in case of serious criminal acts
(e.g. robbery, rape, severe beating)
and there is a high degree of demoralization.

Military school is not a juvenile detention centre. It's an expensive private school with very strict rules.

Canadian teens who attend military school are not criminals and have not been arrested. They are difficult children that parents cannot manage. They learn to fold t-shirts with a ruler, have limited contact with parents, they learn to play by the rules.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Okay but that situation would require a callout of an emergency response team (ERT) who specialize in dangerous and higher risk situations,

No, it wouldn't. It was a police officer, literally a welfare check, because there was no evidence an assault or crime was being committed.

a bit different the traditional definition of a welfare check, to check on someone’s welfare because they can’t be reached by phone.

There are all kinds of welfare checks is the point. But you absolutely can call for a welfare check if the person isn't alone or if you suspect violence.

MOO.

 

[MistyWaters]

No, it wouldn't. It was a police officer, literally a welfare check, because there was no evidence an assault or crime was being committed.



There are all kinds of welfare checks is the point. But you absolutely can call for a welfare check if the person isn't alone or if you suspect violence.

MOO.

Different people might think of welfare checks differently. The caller is asked to describe the situation so LE can be prepared for what they’re responding to. That LE are alerted is what matters most, not what it’s named. We don’t know why the call regarding the Reiner residence was made, maybe NR was high and not answering the phone?

Wellness check - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[BUF]

By the way, I would not call wellbutrin addiction "not serious".

Yes, had to google this….

Although bupropion shares some structural and pharmacologic properties with amphetamine, early research suggested the drug did not produce any psychostimulant effects.1 However, clinical experience and an increasing number of case reports describe bupropion abuse,2 including recreational ingestion, nasal insufflation of crushed tablets and, more recently, intravenous injection.3 Bupropion abusers report receiving a “high” similar to cocaine abuse, but of lesser intensity.4

Bupropion abuse and overdose - PMC

bupropion hydrochloride is the generic name for the brand-name antidepressant drug Wellbutrin

Remember when NR was on Dopey podcast and talked about how he had to act crazy to get the docs to give him Wellbutrin

 

[lohrtabitha]

Meh, it's not always a choice. There are certain medical and psychiatric conditions that could make it more complicated. In someone with years of drug use, I'd worry about how it impacts the brain, possibly damages the parts of the brain that allow us to process information and make choices. Picture someone with behavioral issues in dementia. They're not making a choice to be angry or impulsive. Their brain has degenerated to the point that they can't control it. Similar things can happen with traumatic brain injuries and drug use. That's not an excuse for murder, of course. I'm just saying that controlling temper is not always a choice.

Thank you for your most educated insight as a physician. I was hoping that a verified physician or psychologist would weigh in here. So much of what you are saying I have seen first hand in my 35 years of being a teacher. I have taught many students who were bipolar and could not control their anger outbursts even when on meds. As a society we need to learn more about mental illness and we need to invest more in mental health. Ignorance is not bliss . Thank you again and I hope you keep chiming in here.

 

[LadyL]

When you add up: "you don't want to set me off" with told to leave the party and public argument with Rob, resulting in two murdered parents

... there's not a lot of doubt about what happened.

It's uncontrolled bad temper, not delusions or medication.

more likely it's a combination IMO

 

[LadyL]

I also have not one drop of sympathy for spoiled, lazy, abusive, entitled killer.
Not one drop.

Neither do I.

I don't think it's about sympathy so much as it is about understanding what happens. I don't have sympathy for him either but I want to know why he did it.

 

[LadyL]

Schizophrenia is genetic.

It does not express itself 100% of the time. There's more than one such gene and having more than one of the genes is associated with more severe episodes.

So yes, people are either born with the predisposition or they are not.

IMO.

 

[LadyL]

Nick had tantrums as a child, and Rob used a bear hug to restrain him. He never outgrew tantrums, and still had them in his 20s.

In my opinion, that's a choice. He could use words to express what he is feeling, or he could choose to express his feelings by lashing out. When Nick is angry, he wants to be violent, and now he needs to be caged for life.

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Nick Reiner threw ‘terrifying’ tantrums even as a kid: ‘So much anger in his eyes’

"He had so much anger in his eyes. It was terrifying really."

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Imo that's evidence of a psychiatric illness. He never outgrew them because he was/is sick. JMO

 

[mickey2942]

I hope any families going through an experience with a family member who has a mental illness is connected with their local NAMI group.

Homepage

NAMI is the National Alliance on Mental Illness, the nation’s largest grassroots mental health organization dedicated to building better lives for the millions of Americans affected by mental illness.

www.nami.org

 

[LadyL]

Hindsight is 20/20 and I am not suggesting they should have done this but when I grew up in the 60s, my parents would have not hugged me when I was angry like that. They would have either beat me or taken away all of my belongings and given a lot of time to think about it.

None of my parents children were like it although I was the one who did get in trouble outside of the home as an adolescent. They certainly did not hug me as a treatment. But then again I was not mentally ill which changes everything

Again, just hindsight and not saying his parents did anything wrong with such outlying behavior.

wasn't it happening when he was a kid, not an adult?
the 'bear hug' that I think of is less about comfort and more about control - called a 'wrap hug'
the experts used to recommend it when kids were lashing out
I don't know if this is what Rob was doing but it's what I first think of when I read that
you sit the kid down and wrap your legs around them from behind and wrap your arms around them and get them breathing deeply until they calm down

 

[LadyL]

There was an interview posted upthread with Dr. Drew. He compared parenting a drug addict to being caught in a venus flytrap. As soon as parents consider the emotional needs of the addict, they are sucked into the problem and lose objectivity.

Parents need regular, ongoing, independent counselling and support to keep a safe distance from the addict's manipulations.

Rob's remarks, where he concedes that he made the wrong decisions with Nick, suggest that he is firmly captured in the flytrap.

this is why I say it's complex
the addict manipulates yes but most have an underlying illness IMO
it's hard to separate that when you're a parent who's watched this kid struggle and know he's trying to self-medicate JMO

 

[HMSHood]

When I look at Nick Reiner, he clearly had issues. He was consumed by intense jealousy and envy. When he was sent to rehab, it likely contributed to his never ending and always growing resentment. He likely thought of killing people for a long time. Nick Reiner could very well be an injustice collector.

 

[Luna20]

I do. I think Nick's initial stint in rehabilitation was related to anger problems. Maybe he was smoking pot, maybe he claimed that he was using hard drugs.

Regardless, he was a 15 year old who was throwing tantrums, destroying family property, and probably posing a danger to his siblings. He had angry outbursts throughout his life, from early childhood to his 20s. That is the root of his problem.

Nick may have been angry that his parents didn’t want him to be at the house while they were at the party. I don’t see Nick wanting to hang around successful actors, producers and directors.

He shows up at the party resentful and wants to embarrass his parents and their friends who he doesn’t like. He demonstrates that by asking the attendees if they are famous. There is an intentional component to that. ‘You can’t be that famous if I have to ask’. It’s an obvious dig.

Rob gets aggravated and has a few words with Nick. That didn’t sit well with Nick, it infuriates him and he acts on it.

That’s a scenario that I can see happening.

 

[LinasK]

SBMFF. Well, you actually can hospitalize them, even if they're not suicidal. There are dual diagnosis units all over the country who will treat people with substance use, including teens. But there has to be some other diagnosable psych condition, whether anxiety or depression or bipolar disorder or psychosis, etc. The question is, can they do it against their will? And that depends on the age of the child and on the state and their involuntary commitment laws.

As for a mental health clinic, they'll take him easily. Clinics are outpatient care, not inpatient. I suspect he was being seen outpatient as a kid/teen.

If a child is committing criminal acts, that isn't a qualification for a psych unit unless it's due to a mental health condition. Otherwise, it's a law enforcement issue, not psych.

You can in CA. It's called A 5150- 72 hour involuntary psych hold. LE will come and take them.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Look at that 1 photo of NR and RR. If looks could kill. Not an iota of warmth in that full toothed "smile".

That photo is chilling.