CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[LinasK]

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I wonder if AJ made a big show the way he did when he spoke to the media about leaving the case because, as you described, he emphasized how hard he worked, that NR is innocent, etc. because he couldn't exactly say that he wasn't going to be paid, so he withdrew. I doubt he wanted to have the headline be that he withdrew from the case because of money. It wouldn't sound as good, leaving a client in the lurch and having to start all over with a public defender and not a hot-shot lawyer that one would imagine for the son of such a famous couple and family.

Then, if he really believed in his innocence, why isn't he staying on Pro Bono?

 

[Seattle1]

IMO, this is what the family has wanted all along, and NR is not cooperating. Why not is probably for a variety of reasons-- including being obstinate, and pulling on his siblings the same tactics he used on his folks all of his life. So tiring. Sorry, I've lost patience with NR.

Nick Reiner’s siblings detail the justice they’re seeking for ‘seriously ill’ brother: report

While siblings Romy and Jake Reiner were absent from their brother Nick’s brief court appearances, it appears the siblings may be hoping for treatment-oriented justice over execution.

nypost.com

1/8/26

Romy and Jake Reiner were absent from their brother Nick Reiner’s brief court appearance on Tuesday but the source told the Sun they’d support their disturbed sibling if he were to plead not guilty by reason of insanity at his arraignment on Feb. 23.

The troubled middle child was reportedly “diagnosed with schizophrenia just weeks before the stabbings and was under close psychiatric care.”

Prior to the Dec. 14 bloodbath, doctors altered his meds, “which the family believes, triggered increasingly concerning behavior,” the Sun reported.

 

[Cool Cats]

oh I didn't know you meant after the party

Misunderstanding. Thanks for clearing it up @LadyL

 

[Betty P]

It's blocked for me: not a paywall but like dangerous malware source (true).

However, other sources are stating that NR's family have cut off any funds for NR's benefit.

They claim he refused to meet with AJ's staff, wouldn't cooerate in any way...However, to me that would just play perfectly into AJ's planned insanity defense, so I don't see that as being the problem...IMO he pprobably said something to family, or new info came to light, causing a family backlash against him...or possibly, realizing that funding his defense would be just playing into his games, yet again.

Nick Reiner Reportedly Cut Off by Family Financially After Rob Reiner and Michele Singer Reiner’s Murders

Nick Reiner will have to find a way to pay for a defense team for the case involving his parents’ murders as “the family has completely cut Nick off,” according to Rob Shuter. “They are devastated. But they realized they cannot support him anymore—not financially, not emotionally, not morally,”...

nationalenquirer.com

More from this article regarding his behavior with AJs legal team:

“He lashed out at staff, ignored our advice, and seemed completely detached from reality. It became impossible to defend him effectively,” an insider told Shuter.

Another insider told Shuter that Nick’s behavior was “erratic,” “threatening,” and “unpredictable.”

JMO, he still sounds dangerous. No wonder his siblings don’t want anything to do with him. They also may have their own attorneys advising them. Their dad was a founding partner of Castle Rock Entertainment, a tv and movie production company. I’m guessing Rob’s business partners and attorneys are helping the siblings.

 

[Hexe]

We know that a month before the killings Nick was stable on his meds and then the doctors changed his meds and he was spiraling. They did not put him on a psychiatric hold to stabilize him. All reported by Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew Says Changing Nick Reiner's Meds Was Wrong Move, Rips California

That's not what I asked about. Some sources say schizophrenia, some schizoaffective disorder, so which one it is?

 

[fcavanaugh]

I remember an anti-drug public service announcement on TV from awhile back. It showed a frying pan on a stove with a fried egg crackling, popping and shrinking as it cooked. The announcer said: “this is your brain on drugs”. Meaning, fried.

IMO that’s a large part of NR’s issues/problems. His brain is fried from using drugs for so many years, which may be the cause of, or at least contributed to his MH illness, whichever he has. I’ve read reports he has schizophrenia, and other reports say he has schizoaffective disorder. I’ll wait to hear what his official diagnosis(s) is/are by a MH professional during judicial proceedings. Mental illness doesn’t equal criminality. IMO majority of those with MI are victims of crime vs. perpetrators.

There is clearly something ethically and morally wrong with perpetrators of cold blooded murder. Whether they have MI, or not. I personally think NR made a choice/knew and understood what he was doing. Booked a hotel, fled the scene, washed blood off, changed clothes, etc.

To be clear, I’m not saying his brain being fried from drugs or whatever MH illness he has excuses or justifies him slaughtering his parents.

NR seemingly has no remorse, guilt, or shame over his vile, heinous actions. And I hope he does decide to plead NG, go on trial, and found Guilty of M1 x 2, and then hopefully locked away in prison for the rest of his natural life with no chance at parole. Because, and not least of which, he may very well go after his siblings for revenge if reports are true they’re not supporting him anymore or paying for his defense.

His siblings are probably afraid of NR, might be thinking something to the effect ‘If he could kill my parents with such blatant disregard for their lives with no remorse, what’s to stop him from killing me if he ever gets released back into society’.

I don’t blame NR’s siblings one bit if they feel that way, imo it would be 100% valid/justified.

I can’t imagine what NR’s poor siblings’ are going through. My heart breaks for them. I’m glad they have each other for support while they grieve their parents and everything their brother took from them. Heartbreaking.

Link below r/t schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder for those interested:

Schizophrenia vs. Schizoaffective Disorder

If you or someone you know has been diagnosed or shows signs of a mental health disorder, it can be hard to understand what it all means. Here’s what characterizes schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder, and how to help.

health.clevelandclinic.org

IMHOO

ETA-fixed sentence

 

[Niner]

@Seattle1 - I am trying to find Reiner's court motions - like Morphew has - in the L.A. County court site - do they have a site like that? TIA if there is one!

 

[Betty P]

@Seattle1 - I am trying to find Reiner's court motions - like Morphew has - in the L.A. County court site - do they have a site like that? TIA if there is one!

Thanks, Niner. I was hoping you would do this. The tabloid and social media on this case is full of bad information.

I recall difficulty following Rebecca Zahau’s case in San Diego. There are fees to access information and you have to create an account.

Superior Court of Los Angeles

https://lascpubstorage.blob.core.windows.net/cpw/LIBWEBRESOURCE-291-CaseAccess.jpeg

www.lacourt.ca.gov

Or this

Superior Court of Los Angeles

https://lascpubstorage.blob.core.windows.net/cpw/LIBWEBRESOURCE-291-CaseAccess.jpeg

www.lacourt.ca.gov

You can sign in as a guest, but the fee is $4.75 for a name search.

In the San Diego court, you had to pay extra to download court documents.

 

[Niner]

You can sign in as a guest, but the fee is $4.75 for a name search.

I noticed that fee for other cases - thanks for the reminder! LOL!

 

[BUF]

@Niner this site doesn’t have court docs, but has all other pertinent info….charges, proceedings, etc.

LA Court
Case # 25CJCF08098



I did find his Felony Complaint just googling the case #:

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/CALACOUNTY/2025/12/16/file_attachments/3497419/NReiner%20Felony%20Complaint.pdf

 

[Jade]

I heard about him attending rehab camps not psychiatric facilities. Any links?

Any links that NR went at 15 to residential rehab without ever having outpatient mental health sessions?

Any links that the rehab facilities were not correlating mental health support?

The faculties were described as addiction and mental health treatment.
These links would be typical of the other facilities as well, imo.

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He had reportedly been receiving treatment at a $70,000-per-month mental health and substance abuse facility in LA around the time of his parents’ slayings.
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Nick Reiner got hooked on heroin after going to rehab at just 16

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TMZ further reported Nick was recently treated at an LA-area rehab facility that specializes in mental health and substance abuse and was under the care of a psychiatrist.
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Nick Reiner’s arraignment postponed for 2nd time after attorney withdraws from murder case

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The sources said Reiner was diagnosed years ago with schizophrenia and was being treated with medication.
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Nick Reiner was being treated for schizophrenia at time of killings, sources say

I'm not sure NR had 'premium extensive medical care' at a young age.

I have read about him having several years of a personal yoga teacher, to help him with his stress.
And the family went to a family counsellor for talk therapy to try and communicate better.

But the parents did not seem to think that their son had any medical problems. He was just kind of bratty and spoiled and impatient, it seems. That seems to be their belief if you read the comments by friends and family and look at what actions they took. Their main protocol was " don't upset Nick."

It was not until his teen years that they began sending him to 'camps' to try and deal with his behaviour. First one was a boot camp kind of thing. No deep medical evaluations, strictly behavioural.

Then they began sending him to drug rehabs. There would not be formal medical diagnosis there either, I assume.


The recent diagnosis does not prove that he was born with schizophrenia though. It could be a drug induced diagnosis, IMO.

Yes they are. But the LEGAL QUESTION remains. Because if the psychosis is a drug induced situation, then it will not allow an Insanity defense plea. You cannot say 'I was so high that I accidentally stabbed my parents to death.'

True.

Wishful thinking by empaths; been there, done that.

Poor dears, I remember when I thought love and care would reach the darkest hearts.

By location and financial factors alone NR had access to enviable premier care even if it was just a weekly appointment. And I hate to sound like such a hayseed but around here a youth if it were even considered, were allowed, effort made to get mental health care they would have to travel to a nearest little city after waiting for an opening to get sliding income based fees if the family can’t afford self-pay and if they have a way to get to the grim public facility. Not like NR who not only had the premium care at his door step, plentiful money from willing parents to self-pay for a lovely setting, discreet sessions and then probably got a hamburger, fries and a milkshake on the way back to the mansion.

Isn't it somewhat unusual for a young child to be doing much more than family counseling and talk therapies?
It seems they followed the usual route some talking, some family counseling, then on to more extremes like the camp. [my husband was sent to a remote camp in CA as a youth; best thing that ever happened to get him on track in life]

So I disagree that the Reiner’s didn’t think Nick had problems from an early age and did not seek therapeutic support and advice before sending him to the camp.

You said yourself even the yoga teacher, who had a child development degree, was recruited to wrap around care for Nick.

Obviously they thought something was wrong with him or they wouldn’t be scared to set him off. They might have been blinded by love and optimism for his future but they knew it wasn't normal, imo.

I’m sure they thought he might grow out of it, that treatment would work, one day he would find his niche, one day it will be ok…

No stone was left unturned, imo.

all imo

 

[Niner]

@Niner this site doesn’t have court docs, but has all other pertinent info….charges, proceedings, etc.

LA Court
Case # 25CJCF08098

Yes - I know about those tabs. But thanks!

 

[Hexe]

Any links that NR went at 15 to residential rehab without ever having outpatient mental health sessions?

Any links that the rehab facilities were not correlating mental health support?

You said he had top notch psychiatric care since he was teenager and for sure was diagnosed early on. Not me.

I'm just saying I haven't seen any evidence of that. No, unnamed sources in tabloids like TMZ are not an evidence. These sources cannot even agree when and with what he was diagnosed.

 

[freudianslip]

You said he had top notch psychiatric care since he was teenager and for sure was diagnosed early on. Not me.

I'm just saying I haven't seen any evidence of that. No, unnamed sources in tabloids like TMZ are not an evidence. These sources cannot even agree when and with what he was diagnosed.

According to Harvey Levin's sources, he was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder in 2020 and was treated with antipsychotics until a month before the crime (7:44 mark below).

This needs to be understood in the context of a defense strategy, which would have involved attributing NR's actions to a change in medication IMHO. The sources reportedly told TMZ that the reasons for that very recent change are "shocking". The family feels he was failed by the system.

However, he would have been 26-27 and a long time drug addict at the time of this diagnosis, which substantially muddies the waters.

We really don't know enough to conclude either way. I personnally find myself sometimes thinking one way - severe mental illness, NGRI - and sometimes another - acting out after some kind of humiliating event ("this is a private conversation" and whatever may have stemmed from that).

 

[Jade]

You said he had top notch psychiatric care since he was teenager and for sure was diagnosed early on. Not me.

I'm just saying I haven't seen any evidence of that. No, unnamed sources in tabloids like TMZ are not an evidence. These sources cannot even agree when and with what he was diagnosed.

TMZ is a approved WS source. I’ve linked my sources for my opinions.

I didn’t say “for sure” I linked WS approved source links that stated NR was diagnosed years ago as required by WS TOS to make such declarations.

Due to Hippa Laws in US public information is lacking and contradictory but we can use common sense and general knowledge of US addiction and mental health treatment protocols and facilities in our evaluation of the situation.

I provided other links in addition to WS approved TMZ with information about the facilities.

In the US if there is a trial thats when we possibly will hear facts of NR’s treatment or lack of otherwise that is private protected information.


all imo

 

[Jade]

According to Harvey Levin's sources, he was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder in 2020 and was treated with antipsychotics until a month before the crime (7:44 mark below).

This needs to be understood in the context of a defense strategy, which would have involved attributing NR's actions to a change in medication IMHO. The sources reportedly told TMZ that the reasons for that very recent change are "shocking". The family feels he was failed by the system.

However, he would have been 26-27 and a long time drug addict at the time of this diagnosis, which substantially muddies the waters.

We really don't know enough to conclude either way. I personnaly find myself sometimes thinking one way - severe mental illness, NGRI - and sometimes another - acting out after some kind of humiliating event ("this is a private conversation" and whatever may have stemmed from that).

To see the complexities of dual diseases play out so tragically illustrates the agony of the individual and the families and I’m going to include the health professionals in that agony of getting a diagnoses and then working out effective treatment.

I know someone who spent her whole life chasing a diagnoses and effective treatment.

So much of mental illness, it’s causes and triggers, are so mysterious and have so many ways to manifest itself does it really make a difference how the condition was acquired as it is that is it now present, dominant and permanent?

All imo

 

[Chimera]

Insiders reveal how the Reiner family decided to ax Nick's legal fund

Nick Reiner's siblings decided they will no longer support their brother's expensive legal bills and have agreed to cut him off completely, the Daily Mail can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Well there's this.
Consider the source, though, and tbh I would like to hear it "officially" ?

A lot of family friends or insider sources but always has to be taken with the proverbial grain.
Would not be surprised if true but wonder if and when the siblings decided this.
Was it the slayer laws ?

IF they wanted, could the siblings hire an atty. from their own pocketbooks only, and not from the monies Nick can't access again due to the laws on the books ?
Hiring the best effective counsel wouldn't mean they supported him, but maybe to ensure he never ever gets out ?
For their own safety --as if he's ever freed, he could very well target his siblings.

Nick needs locking away and if in a mental hospital, as opposed to prison, it needs to be one meant for crimes so horrific, that he'll never get out !
Imo.

 

[tlcya]

It will come down to members deciding which unnamed inside source talking to which news outlet they believe. The ones that say NR was only recently diagnosed or the ones that say he received a diagnosis of either schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder several years ago and has been treated since that time.

I tend to lean towards him having been diagnosed several years ago, others find the reports of recent diagnosis more credible.

 

[Maat99]

It will come down to members deciding which unnamed inside source talking to which news outlet they believe. The ones that say NR was only recently diagnosed or the ones that say he received a diagnosis of either schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder several years ago and has been treated since that time.

I tend to lean towards him having been diagnosed several years ago, others find the reports of recent diagnosis more credible.

It’s surprising to me that he was only diagnosed as recently as a few years ago given the duration and severity of his issues.

My take is that RR went with a tough love approach early on and never got over the guilt. NR used that to his advantage to manipulate his parents and avoid any real accountability. That whole “we needed to trust Nick on what was best for him” business seems like an addicts dream scenario.

 

[lohrtabitha]

That’s all well and good, but I don’t see how that should justify letting NR go free or be sentenced to stay in a mental hospital. He will still be a danger to the public. His siblings can’t and shouldn’t have to be responsible for him. Hes’s probably always going to be at risk of violence towards others. No jury or judge will want to see him out on the streets again. JMO

I don't know what the judge or jury will decide but that is their call and not ours. We have to believe when they have heard all the evidence that they will get it right. He will probably be less dangerous in an institution for life where he can be treated for his mental illness. He will be less free there than he would be in prison. Imo