CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[Arkay]

What's different? Wasnt NR acting same outside of jail, is this not "norm" behavior for him? jmo

Nick Reiner — accused of killing his parents Rob and Michele Reiner — is reportedly acting “childlike” and in a “delirious” state in jail.Latest here -- plus more on his 2020 conservatorship:

Well, if AJ told him to act as though he’s in a “childlike” and/or delirious state, that’s semi-ingenious but seems to me to be easily disproven.

As stated in the above Brian Entin podcast, NR appears to be able to respond appropriately to the judge.

If he were in some kind of fugue state I presume he wouldn’t be able to understand or reply to the judge in any comprehensible way.

We as yet don’t know if he ever previously presented in this alleged way, but IMO it seems much too convenient. He was able to find his way to the hotel, he knew it would require payment, he bought something to drink so he knew he was in a store and how to make a purchase.

I do not want to see gruesome pictures of the Reiners, much like I don’t want to see the Idaho victims, and I hope those medical examiner or LE pictures never come out to the public.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Well, if AJ told him to act as though he’s in a “childlike” and/or delirious state, that’s semi-ingenious but seems to me to be easily disproven.

As stated in the above Brian Entin podcast, NR appears to be able to respond appropriately to the judge.

If he were in some kind of fugue state I presume he wouldn’t be able to understand or reply to the judge in any comprehensible way.

We as yet don’t know if he ever previously presented in this alleged way, but IMO it seems much too convenient. He was able to find his way to the hotel, he knew it would require payment, he bought something to drink so he knew he was in a store and how to make a purchase.

I do not want to see gruesome pictures of the Reiners, much like I don’t want to see the Idaho victims, and I hope those medical examiner or LE pictures never come out to the public.

JMO

I don’t want to see gruesome photos either but the media fixation on NR, emphasizing him as meek, mild and childlike detracts from the horrific murder of both his parents. It’s as if society ought to rescue him, pity him, pat him on the head and say “that’s okay, it wasn’t your fault”.

IMO that is totally disrespectful to the devastation that he’s caused, not only by killing the Reiners, but to their other family members and friends grieving this awful tragedy while awaiting justice to prevail.

Meanwhile if realization of his actions is causing him to suffer into a reflective state I’d say that’s a good thing. Perhaps he’ll choose to plead guilty.
JMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

Bbm.
Highly doubt that he'll go untreated.
Just for the safety of the prison guards and/or mental hospital staff, they'll certainly treat him, imo.
His own siblings may ensure he has access to any meds he needs, the funds are there.

Wanting firm justice for the victims, does not equal hate.
People may hate NR elsewhere, but I have not seen comments here stating as such ?
Most have been more sympathetic than otherwise.

I can't imagine how difficult this is for his siblings, and esp. for Rob and Michele's daughter, Romy, as the memory is going to make it hard for her to go on with her life.
My sympathy is for the victims and their children.

Nick was given more opportunities than most and he squandered it.
His parents were kind enough to try to listen to him, and try it Nick's way, even possibly against some doctor's advice ?
Also wanting death row doesn't mean people hate him, it means they want to see justice done for a couple who didn't deserve the brutal fate that was meted out to them.
Omo.

According to California's own former Senator and extensive research you are mistaken about Nick getting treatment and safety in prison. If you could cite credible sources who have extensive research that argues otherwise please reply with it. But the Senator backed with Stanford law reports the following:
"
"Prisons and jails are singularly ill-suited to house
the mentally ill. Premised on punitive forms of social
control, prisons are not remotely compatible with
the kind of supportive therapeutic milieus that the
mentally ill require. They are austere and intimidating
environments that are painful and difficult for even the
strongest and most resilient prisoners to withstand. The
pains of imprisonment—severe material deprivations,
highly restricted movement and liberty, lack of
meaningful activity, a nearly total absence of personal
privacy, high levels of interpersonal uncertainty, danger,
and fear—are powerful psychological stressors that can
adversely impact a prisoner’s well-being.
Not surprisingly, these stressful conditions take a
greater psychological toll on mentally ill prisoners.
They are especially sensitive to the unique stresses and
traumas of prison life, and their psychiatric conditions
often deteriorate as a result. Their vulnerabilities place
them at great risk to be victimized—for example, they
are much more likely to be sexually assaulted than
other prisoners. Some prisoners react to the extreme
psychic stresses of imprisonment by taking their own
lives. Tragically, rates of suicide inside prisons and jails
are much higher among the mentally ill.
Behavioral problems that are associated with their
psychiatric conditions also place the mentally ill
at greater risk of committing rule violations, which
typically result in the imposition of harsh disciplinary
sanctions. Thus, largely because of their psychiatric
illness, mentally ill prisoners are significantly more
likely than other prisoners to be housed in punitive
segregation units where they are subjected to solitary
confinement and other severe deprivations. Extensive
research has documented the range of adverse
symptoms that have been consistently observed in
prisoners in solitary confinement, including appetite
and sleep disturbances, anxiety, panic, hopelessness,
depression, rage, loss of control, paranoia,hallucinations, self-mutilations, and suicidal ideation.
For those with a preexisting mental illness, psychiatric
symptoms often worsen. Most punitive isolation units
are operated in such a way that it is virtually impossible
for mentally ill prisoners to receive
adequate, effective treatment there."

https://law.stanford.edu/index.php?webauth-document=child-page/632655/doc/slspublic/Report_v12.pdf

IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

Bbm.
Highly doubt that he'll go untreated.
Just for the safety of the prison guards and/or mental hospital staff, they'll certainly treat him, imo.
His own siblings may ensure he has access to any meds he needs, the funds are there.

Wanting firm justice for the victims, does not equal hate.
People may hate NR elsewhere, but I have not seen comments here stating as such ?
Most have been more sympathetic than otherwise.

I can't imagine how difficult this is for his siblings, and esp. for Rob and Michele's daughter, Romy, as the memory is going to make it hard for her to go on with her life.
My sympathy is for the victims and their children.

Nick was given more opportunities than most and he squandered it.
His parents were kind enough to try to listen to him, and try it Nick's way, even possibly against some doctor's advice ?
Also wanting death row doesn't mean people hate him, it means they want to see justice done for a couple who didn't deserve the brutal fate that was meted out to them.
Omo.

Bbm. And Rob and Michelle were vehemently against the death penalty so if it becomes NRs fate well justice won't be personally for them. Moo

He was sentenced to death. Rob and Michele Reiner loved him like a son.

Nanon Williams was sent to death row for a murder he says he didn't commit. Decades later, through daily emails and weekly prison calls, the Reiners became family.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Chimera]

According to California's own former Senator and extensive research you are mistaken about Nick getting treatment and safety in prison. If you could cite credible sources who have extensive research that argues otherwise please reply with it.

Snipped for focus : ^^^

I do stand by my comment and fwiw considering his actions ... it looks like prison would be applicable for Nick Reiner.
There are programs in prison for him, he was dealt with in a kind manner by his family and even behind bars there would be treatment if he wishes to mend his ways ?

National Helpline for Mental Health, Drug, Alcohol Issues

SAMHSA’s National Helpline is a free, confidential, 24/7, 365-day-a-year treatment referral and information service (in English and Spanish) for individuals and families facing mental and/or substance use disorders.

www.samhsa.gov

Prison treatment programs focus on reducing recidivism by addressing root causes of crime through education (GED, vocational), substance abuse treatment (CBT, MAT, support groups), mental health services (counseling, therapy), and life skills training (anger management, parenting, reentry planning), often using evidence-based models like Therapeutic Communities to build prosocial behaviors and prepare inmates for community reintegration.

Key Types of Programs

• Substance Abuse Treatment: Includes residential programs (like the Bureau of Prisons' RDAP) using Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) in therapeutic communities, Medication-Assisted Treatment (MAT), 12-step programs (AA/NA), and non-residential options.
• Educational Programs: Offer literacy, GED, ESL, and college courses, plus vocational training in trades (carpentry, plumbing) to improve post-release employment.
• Mental Health Services: Provide therapy, counseling, psychiatric care, and treatment for conditions like depression, anxiety, and PTSD.
• Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT): Teaches inmates to change harmful thinking patterns, manage anger, and develop coping skills.
• Life Skills & Reentry: Focus on parenting, financial literacy, conflict resolution, and community reintegration planning.
• Constructive Activities: Art, sports, and recreation to build skills and reduce stress.

Program Models & Approaches

• Therapeutic Communities (TCs): Residential units where inmates live together, separate from general population, to build a supportive, prosocial environment for treatment, often using CBT.
• Medication-Assisted Treatment (MAT): Combines FDA-approved medications with therapy for opioid addiction, increasingly offered as inmates near release.
• Residential Substance Abuse Treatment (RSAT): Formula grants support state/local programs for residential SUD treatment, including co-occurring disorders.

Goals & Effectiveness

• Reduce Recidivism: A primary goal, with studies showing education and intensive treatment significantly lowering reoffending rates.
• Address Root Causes: Targets addiction, mental health, and lack of skills, which are key drivers of criminal behavior.
• Promote Reentry: Prepares individuals for successful return to the community through concrete skills and support networks.

Drug Treatment in State Prisons - Treating Drug Problems - NCBI Bookshelf

BOP: Inmate Substance Abuse Treatment

www.bop.gov

 

[Chimera]

Bbm. And Rob and Michelle were vehemently against the death penalty so if it becomes NRs fate well justice won't be personally for them. Moo

He was sentenced to death. Rob and Michele Reiner loved him like a son.

Nanon Williams was sent to death row for a murder he says he didn't commit. Decades later, through daily emails and weekly prison calls, the Reiners became family.

www.nbcnews.com

If Rob and Michele could come back... it's a good bet they may have changed their minds ?

Regardless, the ultimate penalty would still be justice for two innocent people who did nothing but try to help their son.
There are many ways of looking at this sad crime but at the end of the day, people can agree to disagree, so to speak.
I am wondering if he's placed in a mental health facility, if stabilized will the staff feel he's capable of being released ?
Imo.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Snipped for focus : ^^^

I do stand by my comment and fwiw considering his actions ... it looks like prison would be applicable for Nick Reiner.
There are programs in prison for him, he was dealt with in a kind manner by his family and even behind bars there would be treatment if he wishes to mend his ways ?

National Helpline for Mental Health, Drug, Alcohol Issues

SAMHSA’s National Helpline is a free, confidential, 24/7, 365-day-a-year treatment referral and information service (in English and Spanish) for individuals and families facing mental and/or substance use disorders.

www.samhsa.gov

Prison treatment programs focus on reducing recidivism by addressing root causes of crime through education (GED, vocational), substance abuse treatment (CBT, MAT, support groups), mental health services (counseling, therapy), and life skills training (anger management, parenting, reentry planning), often using evidence-based models like Therapeutic Communities to build prosocial behaviors and prepare inmates for community reintegration.

Key Types of Programs

• Substance Abuse Treatment: Includes residential programs (like the Bureau of Prisons' RDAP) using Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) in therapeutic communities, Medication-Assisted Treatment (MAT), 12-step programs (AA/NA), and non-residential options.
• Educational Programs: Offer literacy, GED, ESL, and college courses, plus vocational training in trades (carpentry, plumbing) to improve post-release employment.
• Mental Health Services: Provide therapy, counseling, psychiatric care, and treatment for conditions like depression, anxiety, and PTSD.
• Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT): Teaches inmates to change harmful thinking patterns, manage anger, and develop coping skills.
• Life Skills & Reentry: Focus on parenting, financial literacy, conflict resolution, and community reintegration planning.
• Constructive Activities: Art, sports, and recreation to build skills and reduce stress.

Program Models & Approaches

• Therapeutic Communities (TCs): Residential units where inmates live together, separate from general population, to build a supportive, prosocial environment for treatment, often using CBT.
• Medication-Assisted Treatment (MAT): Combines FDA-approved medications with therapy for opioid addiction, increasingly offered as inmates near release.
• Residential Substance Abuse Treatment (RSAT): Formula grants support state/local programs for residential SUD treatment, including co-occurring disorders.

Goals & Effectiveness

• Reduce Recidivism: A primary goal, with studies showing education and intensive treatment significantly lowering reoffending rates.
• Address Root Causes: Targets addiction, mental health, and lack of skills, which are key drivers of criminal behavior.
• Promote Reentry: Prepares individuals for successful return to the community through concrete skills and support networks.

Drug Treatment in State Prisons - Treating Drug Problems - NCBI Bookshelf

BOP: Inmate Substance Abuse Treatment

www.bop.gov

All states are different. This is general information and doesn't apply to all prison systems in the US. Do you have a cite that discusses California in particular ? The former Senator of California whose term expired in 2024 was who I referenced about the current state of affairs in the prison system of California.

 

[Chimera]

All states are different. This is general information and doesn't apply to all prison systems in the US. Do you have a cite that discusses California in particular ? The former Senator of California whose term expired in 2024 was who I referenced about the current state of affairs in the prison system of California.

Many programs including the third link below, are nationwide

The California programs are known to be more lenient than other states so yes there's somewhat of a distinction.
This was an interesting link below as most of these programs are geared towards eventual release !
Something I doubt at this time will be afforded to Nick Reiner.
But never say never, I guess.
Jmo.

California prisons offer substance abuse treatment through programs like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and self-help groups (NA/AA), often integrated with work/education, focusing on skill-building, relapse prevention, and positive behavior, with initiatives like the Alternative Custody Program (ACP) offering community-based options, though specifics and availability (like Medication-Assisted Treatment, MAT) evolve, requiring checking the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) website for current offerings.
Key Components of CDCR Programs:

• Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT): Helps inmates identify and change negative thought patterns linked to substance abuse.
• Therapeutic Communities: Intensive, structured environments (like those at California Rehabilitation Center - CRC) using CBT in a group setting, often with half-day work/education.
• Self-Help Groups: Incorporate peer-led programs like Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and Narcotics Anonymous (NA).
• Skill Development: Focus on anger management, stress reduction, conflict resolution, communication, and social skills.
• Re-entry Focus: Programs aim to prepare inmates for successful reintegration, with potential for community-based treatment via the Alternative Custody Program (ACP) for some.

How to Find Specific 2024 Information:

• CDCR Website: The most reliable source for current program availability, facility-specific details, and updates on rehabilitation efforts is the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation's website.
• Rehabilitation Division: Look for sections on rehabilitation, treatment, or re-entry programs for details on their Substance Abuse Treatment Program (SATP).

Types of Programs Mentioned:

• Substance Abuse Program (SAP): A general term for structured treatment offered in facilities like CRC.
• Milestone Completion Credits (Prop 57): Participation in rehabilitative programs, including substance abuse treatment, can earn inmates time credits, notes the CDCR website on Proposition 57.

California Rehabilitation Center (CRC)

Main Phone: (951) 737-2683 Physical Address: 5th Street & Western, Norco, CA 92860 (Directions) All Staff: P.O. Box 1841, Norco, CA 92860-099

www.cdcr.ca.gov

Alternative Custody Program - Division of Rehabilitative Programs (DRP)

The Alternative Custody Program (ACP) is a voluntary program developed for eligible incarcerated individuals that allows them to serve up to the last 12 months

www.cdcr.ca.gov

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/bja/206269.pdf

 

[lohrtabitha]

Many programs including the third link below, are nationwide

The California programs are known to be more lenient than other states so yes there's somewhat of a distinction.
This was an interesting link below as most of these programs are geared towards eventual release !
Something I doubt at this time will be afforded to Nick Reiner.
But never say never, I guess.
Jmo.

California prisons offer substance abuse treatment through programs like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and self-help groups (NA/AA), often integrated with work/education, focusing on skill-building, relapse prevention, and positive behavior, with initiatives like the Alternative Custody Program (ACP) offering community-based options, though specifics and availability (like Medication-Assisted Treatment, MAT) evolve, requiring checking the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) website for current offerings.
Key Components of CDCR Programs:

• Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT): Helps inmates identify and change negative thought patterns linked to substance abuse.
• Therapeutic Communities: Intensive, structured environments (like those at California Rehabilitation Center - CRC) using CBT in a group setting, often with half-day work/education.
• Self-Help Groups: Incorporate peer-led programs like Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and Narcotics Anonymous (NA).
• Skill Development: Focus on anger management, stress reduction, conflict resolution, communication, and social skills.
• Re-entry Focus: Programs aim to prepare inmates for successful reintegration, with potential for community-based treatment via the Alternative Custody Program (ACP) for some.

How to Find Specific 2024 Information:

• CDCR Website: The most reliable source for current program availability, facility-specific details, and updates on rehabilitation efforts is the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation's website.
• Rehabilitation Division: Look for sections on rehabilitation, treatment, or re-entry programs for details on their Substance Abuse Treatment Program (SATP).

Types of Programs Mentioned:

• Substance Abuse Program (SAP): A general term for structured treatment offered in facilities like CRC.
• Milestone Completion Credits (Prop 57): Participation in rehabilitative programs, including substance abuse treatment, can earn inmates time credits, notes the CDCR website on Proposition 57.

California Rehabilitation Center (CRC)

Main Phone: (951) 737-2683 Physical Address: 5th Street & Western, Norco, CA 92860 (Directions) All Staff: P.O. Box 1841, Norco, CA 92860-099

www.cdcr.ca.gov

Alternative Custody Program - Division of Rehabilitative Programs (DRP)

The Alternative Custody Program (ACP) is a voluntary program developed for eligible incarcerated individuals that allows them to serve up to the last 12 months

www.cdcr.ca.gov

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/bja/206269.pdf

And mental illness? That was what the Senator and Stanford law wrote upon? Nick will detox in prison unless he can score in them. I'm concerned more about his mental health.

 

[LinasK]

Yep. Sly as a fox & pre planned. MOO

He’s faking it.

Rope!

And I anticipate he'll plead Not Guilty, but not NGRI. He doesn't want that label.

 

[LinasK]

Well, if AJ told him to act as though he’s in a “childlike” and/or delirious state, that’s semi-ingenious but seems to me to be easily disproven.

As stated in the above Brian Entin podcast, NR appears to be able to respond appropriately to the judge.

If he were in some kind of fugue state I presume he wouldn’t be able to understand or reply to the judge in any comprehensible way.

We as yet don’t know if he ever previously presented in this alleged way, but IMO it seems much too convenient. He was able to find his way to the hotel, he knew it would require payment, he bought something to drink so he knew he was in a store and how to make a purchase.

I do not want to see gruesome pictures of the Reiners, much like I don’t want to see the Idaho victims, and I hope those medical examiner or LE pictures never come out to the public.

JMO

I'm quite sure that there are prison psychiatrists on hand to evaluate if he's mentally competent to stand trial or even indictment. Lori Vallow WAS declared incompetent for awhile, but eventually she too was indicted and had to stand trial.

 

[LinasK]

Bbm. And Rob and Michelle were vehemently against the death penalty so if it becomes NRs fate well justice won't be personally for them. Moo

He was sentenced to death. Rob and Michele Reiner loved him like a son.

Nanon Williams was sent to death row for a murder he says he didn't commit. Decades later, through daily emails and weekly prison calls, the Reiners became family.

www.nbcnews.com

Then that decision now rests with Romy and Jake to convey their decision to the prosecutors. They may feel otherwise.

 

[LinasK]

All states are different. This is general information and doesn't apply to all prison systems in the US. Do you have a cite that discusses California in particular ? The former Senator of California whose term expired in 2024 was who I referenced about the current state of affairs in the prison system of California.

What former senator do you speak of? Neither Padilla nor Schiff's term expired in 2024. Okay- found it in one of your previous posts- Darryl Steinberg was never a senator of California, perhaps a State Senator, which is an entirely different thing.

 

[Chimera]

And mental illness? That was what the Senator and Stanford law wrote upon? Nick will detox in prison unless he can score in them. I'm concerned more about his mental health.

Yes, that was the point of the links I've shared ?
There may be some newer laws on the books for 2025-2026 CA prison systems, I can take a look around ?

Nick can get help in a mental facility or a prison, imo.
Seriously it's doubtful he'll see the inside of a prison due to the notoriety and his families' funds.
I'd be surprised if he ended up in a max security facility ?
After he's detoxed and stabilized, if he (for instance) were to attack other inmates/patients or a guard/staff member , he may have to be placed in the most secure facility available and that could wind up being behind bars.
At the end of the trial if there is one his siblings may request or even fund a hospital for him ?

If he's not happy in such a scenario it must be remembered he made his own choices.
It seems that it's imperative he's not released as he's going to continue to be unpredictable, that's my opinion.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013653045398114504

"Harvey Levin said on Monday that the alleged killer is
'not competent to stand trial right now'.

'He is almost childlike in jail, we're told.
He can't process the consequences of what he's done.
He knows what he did.

He just can't understand where he is right now,
and I know that sounds crazy,
but he is out of his head right now'.

Levin added that the killings were 'incredibly brutal'.
'We know people in the medical examiner's office who are traumatized just by the pictures',
he said,
adding that the killings had
'all the markings of a meth murder'
and that Nick had been using the hard drug at the time."

Thanks for linking !
That photo breaks my heart.

Look at Rob and Michele's faces, smiling .... and hands on Nicks' shoulders.
They loved their son.
All of the grief he put them through and they still gave him chances !
Surely they hoped he could recover enough to get his life together, and have a future.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

According to California's own former Senator and extensive research you are mistaken about Nick getting treatment and safety in prison. If you could cite credible sources who have extensive research that argues otherwise please reply with it. But the Senator backed with Stanford law reports the following:
"
"Prisons and jails are singularly ill-suited to house
the mentally ill. Premised on punitive forms of social
control, prisons are not remotely compatible with
the kind of supportive therapeutic milieus that the
mentally ill require. They are austere and intimidating
environments that are painful and difficult for even the
strongest and most resilient prisoners to withstand. The
pains of imprisonment—severe material deprivations,
highly restricted movement and liberty, lack of
meaningful activity, a nearly total absence of personal
privacy, high levels of interpersonal uncertainty, danger,
and fear—are powerful psychological stressors that can
adversely impact a prisoner’s well-being.
Not surprisingly, these stressful conditions take a
greater psychological toll on mentally ill prisoners.
They are especially sensitive to the unique stresses and
traumas of prison life, and their psychiatric conditions
often deteriorate as a result. Their vulnerabilities place
them at great risk to be victimized—for example, they
are much more likely to be sexually assaulted than
other prisoners. Some prisoners react to the extreme
psychic stresses of imprisonment by taking their own
lives. Tragically, rates of suicide inside prisons and jails
are much higher among the mentally ill.
Behavioral problems that are associated with their
psychiatric conditions also place the mentally ill
at greater risk of committing rule violations, which
typically result in the imposition of harsh disciplinary
sanctions. Thus, largely because of their psychiatric
illness, mentally ill prisoners are significantly more
likely than other prisoners to be housed in punitive
segregation units where they are subjected to solitary
confinement and other severe deprivations. Extensive
research has documented the range of adverse
symptoms that have been consistently observed in
prisoners in solitary confinement, including appetite
and sleep disturbances, anxiety, panic, hopelessness,
depression, rage, loss of control, paranoia, hallucinations, self-mutilations, and suicidal ideation.
For those with a preexisting mental illness, psychiatric
symptoms often worsen. Most punitive isolation units
are operated in such a way that it is virtually impossible
for mentally ill prisoners to receive
adequate, effective treatment there."

https://law.stanford.edu/index.php?webauth-document=child-page/632655/doc/slspublic/Report_v12.pdf

IMO

Thanks for linking this.
Not sure I agree with said link, as once a mentally ill person murders someone, sometimes they can't be housed the same way a non-violent patient would be ?
Too risky for the staff and other patients.

Take look at the screenshot from the link in quoted post, the most recent update was from 2014 !

By now in 2026, the prison system has more than likely been revamped and updated in fitting with the prisoner's needs ?

Mentally ill people need help and treatment, yes.
After they commit a heinous crime it gets more complicated, as you can't place them in a low security facility as they could walk out on a day pass and harm someone else.
There's also the fact they need to be kept from harming themselves as well.

We need to be compassionate, yes, but should there be consequences for murdering two innocent people ? Also yes.
IF Nick is put into prison (again unlikely), he'd be kept in solitary for his own safety, also due to his notoriety.
That's why I am betting he'll not end up in prison, as it makes a ton of extra work for the guards just keeping him safe.

If he finds either a mental hospital or prison restricting or depressing, he did this to himself and cannot blame his parents or the help they tried to get for him, over and over.
He can take the meds prescribed to him and start to turn his life around if he so wishes.
Imo.

 

[Izzylizzy]

 

[katydid23]

According to California's own former Senator and extensive research you are mistaken about Nick getting treatment and safety in prison. If you could cite credible sources who have extensive research that argues otherwise please reply with it. But the Senator backed with Stanford law reports the following:
"
"Prisons and jails are singularly ill-suited to house
the mentally ill. Premised on punitive forms of social
control, prisons are not remotely compatible with
the kind of supportive therapeutic milieus that the
mentally ill require. They are austere and intimidating
environments that are painful and difficult for even the
strongest and most resilient prisoners to withstand. The
pains of imprisonment—severe material deprivations,
highly restricted movement and liberty, lack of
meaningful activity, a nearly total absence of personal
privacy, high levels of interpersonal uncertainty, danger,
and fear—are powerful psychological stressors that can
adversely impact a prisoner’s well-being.
Not surprisingly, these stressful conditions take a
greater psychological toll on mentally ill prisoners.
They are especially sensitive to the unique stresses and
traumas of prison life, and their psychiatric conditions
often deteriorate as a result. Their vulnerabilities place
them at great risk to be victimized—for example, they
are much more likely to be sexually assaulted than
other prisoners. Some prisoners react to the extreme
psychic stresses of imprisonment by taking their own
lives. Tragically, rates of suicide inside prisons and jails
are much higher among the mentally ill.
Behavioral problems that are associated with their
psychiatric conditions also place the mentally ill
at greater risk of committing rule violations, which
typically result in the imposition of harsh disciplinary
sanctions. Thus, largely because of their psychiatric
illness, mentally ill prisoners are significantly more
likely than other prisoners to be housed in punitive
segregation units where they are subjected to solitary
confinement and other severe deprivations. Extensive
research has documented the range of adverse
symptoms that have been consistently observed in
prisoners in solitary confinement, including appetite
and sleep disturbances, anxiety, panic, hopelessness,
depression, rage, loss of control, paranoia,hallucinations, self-mutilations, and suicidal ideation.
For those with a preexisting mental illness, psychiatric
symptoms often worsen. Most punitive isolation units
are operated in such a way that it is virtually impossible
for mentally ill prisoners to receive
adequate, effective treatment there."

https://law.stanford.edu/index.php?webauth-document=child-page/632655/doc/slspublic/Report_v12.pdf

IMO

Nick Reiner was sent to treatment centres NUMEROUS times over the years. His parents spared no expense to try and get him the best treatment available.

He strongly resisted, and rejected all of it.

They begged him to stop using drugs but he ignored their pleas. He mocked them for their concerns and continued to lie, manipulate and gaslight them for decades.

So now that he slit their throats and left them there, for his sister to find, sorry if I am not that concerned about if Nick is given a chance for yet another Rehab opportunity.

WHY would it be any different this time?

Nick had every opportunity in the world to try and better his life.

My brother was schizophrenic and it took YEARS, but after about a decade, from age 21 to about 32, he finally began to accept treatment. He finally began to work with his doctors to find the right medication combo- and was able to live in a nice halfway house, and make friends and get a side hobby that he really enjoyed.


If Nick had made a real effort to clean himself up, get on track, and stop harassing and threatening his parents, I'd feel more sympathetic towards his situation. But I feel that he was a selfish, lazy, entitled brat that just wanted to do nothing and live like a little prince. He even bragged about it during the Dopey podcasts. Bragged about deceiving his parents, lying to them about being sober for 6 years when that was a lie.

Bragged about 'faking' being crazy at times to get his way with his parents. Having tantrums as leverage to get what he wanted.

So I think prison is the perfect home for him. He can get his meds delivered every morning with his food tray. IMO

 

[katydid23]

Bbm. And Rob and Michelle were vehemently against the death penalty so if it becomes NRs fate well justice won't be personally for them. Moo

He was sentenced to death. Rob and Michele Reiner loved him like a son.

Nanon Williams was sent to death row for a murder he says he didn't commit. Decades later, through daily emails and weekly prison calls, the Reiners became family.

www.nbcnews.com

California does not really have the Death Penalty.

From wiki:
Capital punishment is a legal penalty in the U.S. state of California.

However, the penalty has not been carried out in that state since 2006, due to a standing federal court order issued that year against the practice, and a 2019 moratorium on executions ordered by Governor Gavin Newsom.

 

[katydid23]

And mental illness? That was what the Senator and Stanford law wrote upon? Nick will detox in prison unless he can score in them. I'm concerned more about his mental health.

He will never be mentally well. He has abused hard drugs for many years. A lot of damage has been done and a lot of brain cells have been damaged. On top of that, he stabbed his parents to death. He is always going to be mentally unwell.

To protect the rest of world, he has to live separately. He cannot be trusted.

San Quentin or Twin Towers are more suited to his lifestyle these days. He made the decision HIMSELF by making such bad choices for so many years.

Even people with schizophrenia can MAKE CHOICES. There are time periods when the patient has lucid, rational thoughts.

During those times they can agree to work with doctors to get treatments worked out. Then it is UP TO THEM to continue taking their medications and to refrain from using alcohol or drugs. It was up to him to improve his situation and his mental health.

He had the family support, the medical support and the financial support necessary to succeed in that mission. IMO