CA - Murder victims Identified as Rob Reiner and wife Michele - LA Dec 14 2025

[LinasK]

Its showing on my end

https://www.aol.com/articles/nick-reiner-murder-trial-won-140055998.

This is what I get from AOL when I click on your link: Hi there! The page you're looking for does not exist. Try searching or check out the stories below.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Nick Reiner murder trial won’t happen for at least 2 years as public defender starts from 'square one': expert

Legal expert predicted Nick Reiner trial could take years as mental health evaluations loom, while defense change adds new complexity to murder case.

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[lohrtabitha]

This is what I get from AOL when I click on your link: Hi there! The page you're looking for does not exist. Try searching or check out the stories below.

Just posted link

 

[LinasK]

Just posted link

And there's nothing new in that article that I haven't already read elsewhere. In fact, Matt Murphy is a former prosecutor from Orange County. Very well-known. Still didn't say that Reiner won't be arraigned in March, only that the trial date may get pushed out. He'll still have to enter a plea.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Interesting. In CA a defense attorney can declare a doubt concerning competency delaying a plea. I wonder if the defense will utilize this? Nick Reiner murder trial won’t happen for at least 2 years as public defender starts from 'square one': expert

 

[lohrtabitha]

And there's nothing new in that article that I haven't already read elsewhere. In fact, Matt Murphy is a former prosecutor from Orange County. Very well-known. Still didn't say that Reiner won't be arraigned in March, only that the trial date may get pushed out. He'll still have to enter a plea.

In the article the defense in CA can declare a doubt at the arraignment until NR is cleared by experts as competent.

 

[LinasK]

In the article the defense in CA can declare a doubt at the arraignment until NR is cleared by experts as competent.

And that hasn't happened to this point that the public knows, so until/unless that does, his arraignment set for March is still on, and he'll have to enter a plea at that time.

 

[Niner]

Wasn't his arraignment rescheduled for March? That's only a few weeks away, and I think the delay was for him to detox. He hasn't been declared Incompetent to stand trial, so he will have to enter a plea at that time.

Actually I have 2/23/26 @ 8:30am for his arraignment hearing. I tried the court site to check the date - but they don't come online until 7am - Pacific Time - so it is only 5am there.... and I am 10 hours ahead of PST. I will try later to confirm that date.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Actually I have 2/23/26 @ 8:30am for his arraignment hearing. I tried the court site to check the date - but they don't come online until 7am - Pacific Time - so it is only 5am there.... and I am 10 hours ahead of PST. I will try later to confirm that date.

That's what I saw too.

 

[Jade]

Knowing that societal standards that killing is wrong - at the time of the killing- means he won't qualify for an Insanity Defense- whether he personally believed it or not.

My comment really wasn’t aimed at the judiciary process but to a possible indication of symptoms of one of the disorders mentioned in the press as being associated with NR.

Although now that it is pointed out if it is the case it does seem by functioning in a parallel universe of his own design, displaying an inability to tell his resolute delusions from reality, and acting out violently due to those fixed delusions does seem like insanity as a colloquial term, imo.

Insanity is a legal term not a medical diagnoses but behaviors like psychosis and acting dangerously due to delusions are associated with the legal definitions of insanity, like it’s not just foolishness, imo.

A defendant can have significant mental health issues at the time of a crime and while detained but still be found competent to stand trial with their attorney then having to decide how to present that to a jury, imo.

There could be an Alford Plea, a best interest plea, which allows the defendant to accept the sentence without admitting guilt for example.

Trials for defendants with significant mental health issues are frequently delayed while undergoing evaluation just to be sure, imo.



*Additionally on the subject of my post the reported “are you famous?” adds to the thought of NR’s possible Grandiosity.
Like an arrogant you all may think you’re famous but not compared to a Reiner sort of thing, imo.


all imo

 

[girlhasnoname]

DBM

Nick Reiner murder trial won’t happen for at least 2 years as public defender starts from 'square one': expert

Legal expert predicted Nick Reiner trial could take years as mental health evaluations loom, while defense change adds new complexity to murder case.

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I didn't know about the procedure 1368 in California in connection to a plea. Learned something new today, thanks.

<RSBM from your link above>

"There's also a procedure in the state of California known as declaring a doubt, where a defense lawyer has the unilateral ability to come into court and say, ‘Your honor, I am declaring a doubt regarding the competency of my client to assist me further in these proceedings.’ And that's something you will often see in NGRI or not guilty by reason of insanity cases."

Murphy added, "It's called going 1368, and when they do that, the court is required by law to appoint two mental health experts – one at the request of the prosecution, one to request the defense – to evaluate the defendant, determine whether or not the defendant is competent to stand trial, which is different than was he legally saying at the time he committed the charged act.

MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

My comment really wasn’t aimed at the judiciary process but to a possible indication of symptoms of one of the disorders mentioned in the press as being associated with NR.

Although now that it is pointed out if it is the case it does seem by functioning in a parallel universe of his own design, displaying an inability to tell his resolute delusions from reality, and acting out violently due to those fixed delusions does seem like insanity as a colloquial term, imo.

Insanity is a legal term not a medical diagnoses but behaviors like psychosis and acting dangerously due to delusions are associated with the legal definitions of insanity, like it’s not just foolishness, imo.

A defendant can have significant mental health issues at the time of a crime and while detained but still be found competent to stand trial with their attorney then having to decide how to present that to a jury, imo.

There could be an Alford Plea, a best interest plea, which allows the defendant to accept the sentence without admitting guilt for example.

Trials for defendants with significant mental health issues are frequently delayed while undergoing evaluation just to be sure, imo.



*Additionally on the subject of my post the reported “are you famous?” adds to the thought of NR’s possible Grandiosity.
Like an arrogant you all may think you’re famous but not compared to a Reiner sort of thing, imo.


all imo

We probably will never know why NR asked guests at the party if they were famous. My speculation only, rather than grandiosity he did it because he is an obnoxious self-centered jerk knowing it would embarrass his parents. He did not want to go to the party and didn’t bother to get dressed up, went wearing a hoodie knowing other guests wore suits. His parents pleaded with him to dress up a little bit because “there will be famous people there”….Are you famous?

His motive to murder would be revenge if they were no longer were on “his side”, no longer protecting him or willing to harbour him, no longer letting him do as he pleased without any boundaries while living off their dole. That’s not mental illness. It’s not really any different than a spouse who murders a partner after he/she falls out of love. It’s about control, or loss of.
JMO

 

[Jade]

We probably will never know why NR asked guests at the party if they were famous. My speculation only, rather than grandiosity he did it because he is an obnoxious self-centered jerk knowing it would embarrass his parents. He did not want to go to the party and didn’t bother to get dressed up, went wearing a hoodie knowing other guests wore suits. His parents pleaded with him to dress up a little bit because “there will be famous people there”….Are you famous?

His motive to murder would be revenge if they were no longer were on “his side”, no longer protecting him or willing to harbour him, no longer letting him do as he pleased without any boundaries while living off their dole. That’s not mental illness. It’s not really any different than a spouse who murders a partner after he/she falls out of love. It’s about control, or loss of.
JMO

The Grandiose symptom is often mistaken for your description of a ne’er do well.

Grandiosity refers to a sense of specialness and self-importance that might lead you to:

• boast about real or exaggerated accomplishments
• consider yourself more talented or intelligent than others
• dismiss or try to one-up the achievements of others
• believe you don’t need anyone else to succeed
• believe you’re above rules or ordinary limits
• fail to recognize that your actions could harm others
• lash out in anger when someone criticizes you or points out a flaw in your plans

Grandiosity often resembles self-centered or arrogant behavior, so people often don’t recognize it as a mental health symptom.
….
Grandiosity isn’t considered a mental health condition on its own, but it might show up as a symptom of one.

Grandiosity: Everything You Need to Know | Psych Central



Grandiose delusions are arguably the most neglected psychotic experience in research.
…
Despite being a common type of delusion (Appelbaum, Robbins, & Roth, 1999; Goodwin & Jamison, 2007) – occurring in about half of patients diagnosed with schizophrenia and two thirds of patients with bipolar disorder(Knowles, McCarthy‐Jones, & Rowse, 2011) – they have been remarkably neglected as a specific focus of research and clinical practice.
…
This apparent disparity may have arisen for several reasons. There may be a perception that grandiose delusions represent a more benign presentation in non‐affective psychosis and that they will not be distressing or harmful given the focus of the belief. Alternatively, they may be viewed simply as a symptom of mania in affective psychosis, and therefore, it is presumed that research and clinical focus should be on the manic episode rather than the belief per se. These assumptions, however, may be erroneous.

Understanding, treating, and renaming grandiose delusions: A qualitative study - PMC


~I’ve check several articles and don’t see where the Reiner’s pleaded with Nick to dress up. Do you happen to have your link basis for “His parents pleaded with him to dress up a little bit”?

I suspect his clothing was the least of their worries at that point.

The only thing I found was on TMZ from a “source” that NR was wearing a hoodie and disheveled and others were dressed formally which in no way equates to the R’s pleading.

Imo, the Reiner’s, with their status, had no concerns about appearances and being very open with their family struggles figure everyone knows Nick is having problems and is now chunky and scruffy contrary to his former self.

There is picture of R, M and NR at an event red carpet type photo and Nick was in a track suit.

I suspect they were keeping him close in those cases no matter what the full grown adult was wearing.

All imo

 

[MistyWaters]

The Grandiose symptom is often mistaken for your description of a ne’er do well.

Grandiosity refers to a sense of specialness and self-importance that might lead you to:

• boast about real or exaggerated accomplishments
• consider yourself more talented or intelligent than others
• dismiss or try to one-up the achievements of others
• believe you don’t need anyone else to succeed
• believe you’re above rules or ordinary limits
• fail to recognize that your actions could harm others
• lash out in anger when someone criticizes you or points out a flaw in your plans

Grandiosity often resembles self-centered or arrogant behavior, so people often don’t recognize it as a mental health symptom.
….
Grandiosity isn’t considered a mental health condition on its own, but it might show up as a symptom of one.

Grandiosity: Everything You Need to Know | Psych Central



Grandiose delusions are arguably the most neglected psychotic experience in research.
…
Despite being a common type of delusion (Appelbaum, Robbins, & Roth, 1999; Goodwin & Jamison, 2007) – occurring in about half of patients diagnosed with schizophrenia and two thirds of patients with bipolar disorder(Knowles, McCarthy‐Jones, & Rowse, 2011) – they have been remarkably neglected as a specific focus of research and clinical practice.
…
This apparent disparity may have arisen for several reasons. There may be a perception that grandiose delusions represent a more benign presentation in non‐affective psychosis and that they will not be distressing or harmful given the focus of the belief. Alternatively, they may be viewed simply as a symptom of mania in affective psychosis, and therefore, it is presumed that research and clinical focus should be on the manic episode rather than the belief per se. These assumptions, however, may be erroneous.

Understanding, treating, and renaming grandiose delusions: A qualitative study - PMC


~I’ve check several articles and don’t see where the Reiner’s pleaded with Nick to dress up. Do you happen to have your link basis for “His parents pleaded with him to dress up a little bit”?

I suspect his clothing was the least of their worries at that point.

The only thing I found was on TMZ from a “source” that NR was wearing a hoodie and disheveled and others were dressed formally which in no way equates to the R’s pleading.

Imo, the Reiner’s, with their status, had no concerns about appearances and being very open with their family struggles figure everyone knows Nick is having problems and is now chunky and scruffy contrary to his former self.

There is picture of R, M and NR at an event red carpet type photo and Nick was in a track suit.

I suspect they were keeping him close in those cases no matter what the full grown adult was wearing.

All imo

I think they wanted to keep a close eye on him so he wouldn’t take off on a drug or alcohol binge in advance of their intentions to arrange for conservatorship. Would’ve he voluntarily agreed that he required treatment? Doubtful. It would be impossible to constantly watch over him 24/7 and such a plan probably already failed countless times. IMO they were keeping a close eye on him for a very specific reason.
JMO

 

[Cedars]

Grandiosity often resembles self-centered or arrogant behavior, so people often don’t recognize it as a mental health symptom.
….

Grandiose delusions are arguably the most neglected psychotic experience in research.

Interesting, tho, that he didn't stab any of the people at the party.

He waited until his ever-devoted parents were asleep in bed, and apparently snuck in and killed them.

I just don't see a direct connection between psychoses referenced in psych literature and his actual behaviour - step by step. What was he doing before the killings, when did he pick up the knife, where did he get it, when/how did he leave his own quarters and enter the house, enter their room, go quietly up to them while asleep (not waking them), stabbing - how often, where are the wounds, who was killed first, what level of violence, what was said, etc. Then, exactly what did he do next: with the knife, with himself...

I think NCR has to be proven through an analysis of the actual behaviour of the perp that directly caused two people to die.

JMO

 

[LinasK]

Interesting, tho, that he didn't stab any of the people at the party.

He waited until his ever-devoted parents were asleep in bed, and apparently snuck in and killed them.

I just don't see a direct connection between psychoses referenced in psych literature and his actual behaviour - step by step. What was he doing before the killings, when did he pick up the knife, where did he get it, when/how did he leave his own quarters and enter the house, enter their room, go quietly up to them while asleep (not waking them), stabbing - how often, where are the wounds, who was killed first, what level of violence, what was said, etc. Then, exactly what did he do next: with the knife, with himself...

I think NCR has to be proven through an analysis of the actual behaviour of the perp that directly caused two people to die.

JMO

Which is exactly why I don't think he'll qualify for an Insanity defense- he knew what he was doing at the time of the murders and that it was wrong.

 

[LinasK]

My comment really wasn’t aimed at the judiciary process but to a possible indication of symptoms of one of the disorders mentioned in the press as being associated with NR.

Although now that it is pointed out if it is the case it does seem by functioning in a parallel universe of his own design, displaying an inability to tell his resolute delusions from reality, and acting out violently due to those fixed delusions does seem like insanity as a colloquial term, imo.

Insanity is a legal term not a medical diagnoses but behaviors like psychosis and acting dangerously due to delusions are associated with the legal definitions of insanity, like it’s not just foolishness, imo.

A defendant can have significant mental health issues at the time of a crime and while detained but still be found competent to stand trial with their attorney then having to decide how to present that to a jury, imo.

There could be an Alford Plea, a best interest plea, which allows the defendant to accept the sentence without admitting guilt for example.

Trials for defendants with significant mental health issues are frequently delayed while undergoing evaluation just to be sure, imo.



*Additionally on the subject of my post the reported “are you famous?” adds to the thought of NR’s possible Grandiosity.
Like an arrogant you all may think you’re famous but not compared to a Reiner sort of thing, imo.


all imo

I personally don't see Nick accepting an Alford plea-that's an admission of guilt in that you're admitting that they have enough evidence to convict you. It's a face-saving measure. I think he will plead regular Not Guilty, no Insanity. And the prosecutor would have to be willing to offer the Alford plea, and I don't see that happening in this case either. Seems like a slam dunk. The bodies weren't hidden, he didn't resist arrest...

 

[Jade]

I think they wanted to keep a close eye on him so he wouldn’t take off on a drug or alcohol binge in advance of their intentions to arrange for conservatorship. Would’ve he voluntarily agreed that he required treatment? Doubtful. It would be impossible to constantly watch over him 24/7 and such a plan probably already failed countless times. IMO they were keeping a close eye on him for a very specific reason.
JMO

I agree; the conservatorship.

No, no way would he welcome a conservatorship. But do they ever in such a situation of long term mental illness with drug abuse?

I can’t imagine the upset of getting a child with reportedly schizophrenia into a conservatorship. Their lack of ability to understand it’s for his own good, his irrational anger at the betrayal of the notion.

There was mention of sober companion help since they had options financially that afforded NR a level of independence from his parents. And give them a chance to turn their back long enough to work.

All imo

 

[MistyWaters]

Interesting, tho, that he didn't stab any of the people at the party.

He waited until his ever-devoted parents were asleep in bed, and apparently snuck in and killed them.

I just don't see a direct connection between psychoses referenced in psych literature and his actual behaviour - step by step. What was he doing before the killings, when did he pick up the knife, where did he get it, when/how did he leave his own quarters and enter the house, enter their room, go quietly up to them while asleep (not waking them), stabbing - how often, where are the wounds, who was killed first, what level of violence, what was said, etc. Then, exactly what did he do next: with the knife, with himself...

I think NCR has to be proven through an analysis of the actual behaviour of the perp that directly caused two people to die.

JMO

This is what I thought as well, that possible proof of legal insanity needs to be present by his behavior around the time of the crime, including what he said and how he acted when he was arrested. I recall NGrace’s observation about how he put his hands up in the air the minute LAPD officers approached him, indicating he was fully aware of the reason for his arrest, with no indication he was puzzled because he didn’t think he did anything wrong.

In fact he did what every common criminal does after committing a violent crime, he cleaned himself up and fled the scene of the crime.
JMO

 

[LinasK]

This is what I thought as well, that possible proof of legal insanity needs to be present by his behavior around the time of the crime, including what he said and how he acted when he was arrested. I recall NGrace’s observation about how he put his hands up in the air the minute LAPD officers approached him, indicating he was fully aware of the reason for his arrest, with no indication he was puzzled because he didn’t think he did anything wrong.

In fact he did what every common criminal does after committing a violent crime, he cleaned himself up and fled the scene of the crime.
JMO

All of the after the crime behavior mitigates an Insanity plea. It's not like he was out in the streets undressing acting like a chicken or something.