CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #8

[Quester]

Regarding MS’ fall:

Is all this public controversy, suggesting that RN is guilty of fault, being fabricated or promoted to provide just another smoke screen?

TIA

 

[CalElliot]

I do not ever remember in the conduct of a case such as this that a police department or sheriff's office has allowed a statement to be posted from a relative of a victim such as seen here in this report.

This case just keeps getting stranger and stranger. I wonder how long it will be before that message is removed from the Sheriff's website? ... and will we find that Rebecca's family has been afforded this same courtesy?

BTW Author of report is "Terry Fahn" of Sitrick PR company. So sheriff's office allowing itself to be mouthpiece for a relative of a victim.

 

[coastal]

Has anyone checked the stock prices yet?

 

[IWannaKnow]

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/rz.pdf

No additional evidence or information was received leading investigators to believe foul play was involved.

Numerous witnesses were interviewed. All were cooperative, and we are confident in their truthfulness.

Autopsy results supported the findings of investigators.

What more needs to be said? Ironclad. :Bennymonkey:

Pull up a chair, have a kool aid. :needdrink:

 

[IWannaKnow]

Has anyone checked the stock prices yet?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...mit-crime-death-was-suicide-sheriff-says.html
Bloomberg

Death of Medicis CEO’s Girlfriend Was a Suicide, Not a Crime, Sheriff Says

By Bill Callahan, Edvard Pettersson and Meg Tirrell - Sep 2, 2011 5:33 PM ET

I find the phrasing interesting.

 

[jjenny]

Examiner has an interview with RN's family lawyer. She says the voice message has been erased and questions whether it ever existed. I am really curious how this message got erased. Who erased it? RN supposedly kept her journal on her phone, she didn't erase that, but the message after which she apparently decided to kill herself-poof! Gone.
http://www.examiner.com/news-analys...ahau-family-attorney-debunks-suicide-findings

 

[ehough22]

If Max fell off the balcony, grabbed the chandelier, and then fell to the floor...how, indeed, did the scooter land on top of him? Even if he did somehow go over while riding the scooter, the scooter would've hit the ground first because it, presumably, would have been dropped when he grabbed the chandelier. I can't make the scooter work with the chandelier.

Regarding Rebeca being at fault...as the parent of 2 young kids, I certainly wouldn't blame JS or DS for blaming her in their grief (and we don't know that they did). That said, while I do think Rebecca was responsible for Max at the time, since she was the only adult, I don't believe she was to blame for his death- they're 2 separate things to me. We simply don't know enough about what happened. What if Max was playing quietly in his room, Rebecca went to the bathroom, and then he zoomed down the hall on his scooter? How is that her fault? It's my understanding that this could have happened instantaneously and I just don't see what she could have done, even if she had been present. This is, of course, assuming he wasn't planking or engaging in some drawn out horseplay near the stairs. But I can certainly see how he could just happen to head for the stairs in the minute or two she was in the bathroom and I can't blame her for that. It's not as if he drowned in the backyard pool, meaning he was out of her sight for several minutes. This was a freak, instantaneous accident that I doubt anyone could have predicted or prevented.

Rebecca's message is haunting me. It's eerie. She (assuming she wrote it) had to know Jonah wasn't going to be home in time to save her, if Jonah is the "he" in the message. She had to know the chances of anyone saving her were slim. It almost seems taunting to me, as if someone else wrote it to Jonah about how he couldn't save her.

 

[jjenny]

These are not boat knots, that's my point. Any regular female could have tied this rope and made these knots. The knots were a big topic of conversation weeks ago during these threads when everyone was convinced AS must have killed RZ for JS. If he were to do this, the knots would have been much more sophisticated than these were. These two particular knots are not used in any way, shape or form in boating so you don't have to be a boater to make these knots. I know how to tie at least 16 different types of knots for docking, anchoring, mooring, towing, etc... and I have never used one so simple as these two were. These were made to shorten the rope and/or secure it to the bed.

I consider myself a regular female and I don't think I would know how to do these things without doing research first-LE has not said anything about computer searches on how to kill oneself by binding hands and feet, gagging, securing rope to the bed, etc-so I presume they don't exist. Why would someone without history of suicide do all these things such as binding hands behind back, binding feet and gagging herself with t-shirt? I find that bizarre.

 

[ehough22]

I consider myself a regular female and I don't think I would know how to do these things without doing research first-LE has not said anything about computer searches on how to kill oneself by binding hands and feet, gagging, securing rope to the bed, etc-so I presume they don't exist. Why would someone without history of suicide do all these things such as binding hands behind back, binding feet and gagging herself with t-shirt? I find that bizarre.

Ditto this- as a "regular female", literally the only knot I know how to tie is the kind I use to tie my shoes. It would never cross my mind to fashion something like Rebecca did around the bed. I've never seen something like that nor would I know how to do it (I realize I might be able to, technically, but I couldn't tell you how and again the thought wouldn't occur to me). I'm not saying these are complicated knots, but I would say that they are a little unusual in a regular female's life.

 

[deanna82437]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...mit-crime-death-was-suicide-sheriff-says.html
Bloomberg

Death of Medicis CEO’s Girlfriend Was a Suicide, Not a Crime, Sheriff Says

By Bill Callahan, Edvard Pettersson and Meg Tirrell - Sep 2, 2011 5:33 PM ET

I find the phrasing interesting.

BBM
I agree and if this was not such a sad happening I would find this extremely comical .. "but with today’s information providing some much needed answers,"

So sad !

 

[katydid23]

Regarding MS’ fall:

Is all this public controversy, suggesting that RN is guilty of fault, being fabricated or promoted to provide just another smoke screen?

TIA

For me,imo, it is just an obvious question that comes up because of the issues surrounding her death. My first question has to be " did she have any reason to feel guilty/" and my second, " Does anyone have reason to be angry with her?"

I do not see it as a smoke screen or a fabrication to wonder about that. Max died in a very horribly tragic way. An accident like that does not happen very often. So it is going to raise some questions.

IMO, if he was riding his scooter on the upstairs balcony, then he was poorly supervised. Bathroom or not, that is a failure on the caretakers part. imoo

 

[katydid23]

If Max fell off the balcony, grabbed the chandelier, and then fell to the floor...how, indeed, did the scooter land on top of him? Even if he did somehow go over while riding the scooter, the scooter would've hit the ground first because it, presumably, would have been dropped when he grabbed the chandelier. I can't make the scooter work with the chandelier.

Regarding Rebeca being at fault...as the parent of 2 young kids, I certainly wouldn't blame JS or DS for blaming her in their grief (and we don't know that they did). That said, while I do think Rebecca was responsible for Max at the time, since she was the only adult, I don't believe she was to blame for his death- they're 2 separate things to me. We simply don't know enough about what happened. What if Max was playing quietly in his room, Rebecca went to the bathroom, and then he zoomed down the hall on his scooter? How is that her fault? It's my understanding that this could have happened instantaneously and I just don't see what she could have done, even if she had been present. This is, of course, assuming he wasn't planking or engaging in some drawn out horseplay near the stairs. But I can certainly see how he could just happen to head for the stairs in the minute or two she was in the bathroom and I can't blame her for that. It's not as if he drowned in the backyard pool, meaning he was out of her sight for several minutes. This was a freak, instantaneous accident that I doubt anyone could have predicted or prevented.

Rebecca's message is haunting me. It's eerie. She (assuming she wrote it) had to know Jonah wasn't going to be home in time to save her, if Jonah is the "he" in the message. She had to know the chances of anyone saving her were slim. It almost seems taunting to me, as if someone else wrote it to Jonah about how he couldn't save her.

If he was playing quietly in his room, she went into the bathroom, and then he jumped on his scooter and zoomed down the hallway, then she would have no reason to feel guilty or to end her life.

But I kind of doubt it happened that way. imoo What was his scooter doing upstairs? It should not have been up there if it was.

 

[elementry]

These are not boat knots, that's my point. Any regular female could have tied this rope and made these knots. The knots were a big topic of conversation weeks ago during these threads when everyone was convinced AS must have killed RZ for JS. If he were to do this, the knots would have been much more sophisticated than these were. These two particular knots are not used in any way, shape or form in boating so you don't have to be a boater to make these knots. I know how to tie at least 16 different types of knots for docking, anchoring, mooring, towing, etc... and I have never used one so simple as these two were. These were made to shorten the rope and/or secure it to the bed.

Perhaps your sophistication in knots and tie-ing methods makes it seem like a simple matter. But would a "civilian" knotter really know about sequential knotting and looping to adjust rope lengths - and if that's what she was doing was she also measuring lengths from bed to balcony to rail to ground, and then re-sliding the loops for adjustment? At the least she would have to have more than an arbitrary acquaintance with knotting techniques, or she just got lucky. To ensure a proper hold, an unsophisticated knotter it would seem to me would multiply over-tie and make a real tangle of knots if they didn't know what they were doing but wanted to make sure. This knotting on the bedpost looks more well-planned and orderly than that. So the question would be: did Rebecca have a basic acquaintance with knotting techniques. The folks to ask would be the family. It sounds like LE was perhaps not including them very much in the investigation, rather going on their own hunches and assumptions and discarding questions that went contrary to their strongly held theses (LE offered no knotting analysis at their presentation btw). I don't know for sure that the Zahau's were left out, but the quotes in the papers make Rebecca's sister sound like she felt brushed aside. I agree that the Zahau's should have had their own representation during the autopsy and investigation. It sounds like the head guy from San Diego went to them at the beginning and assured them no stone would go unturned and they believed him, and remained passive. Not the best move, looking back.

 

[jjenny]

If he was playing quietly in his room, she went into the bathroom, and then he jumped on his scooter and zoomed down the hallway, then she would have no reason to feel guilty or to end her life.

But I kind of doubt it happened that way. imoo What was his scooter doing upstairs? It should not have been up there if it was.

There is no evidence his scooter was upstairs, so where did you get that info? Police did not use a scooter in their stimulation on how the accident occurred.

 

[katydid23]

Perhaps your sophistication in knots and tie-ing methods makes it seem like a simple matter. But would a "civilian" knotter really know about sequential knotting and looping to adjust rope lengths - and if that's what she was doing was she also measuring lengths from bed to balcony to rail to ground, and then re-sliding the loops for adjustment? At the least she would have to have more than an arbitrary acquaintance with knotting techniques, or she just got lucky. To ensure a proper hold, an unsophisticated knotter it would seem to me would multiply over-tie and make a real tangle of knots if they didn't know what they were doing but wanted to make sure. This knotting on the bedpost looks more well-planned and orderly than that. So the question would be: did Rebecca have a basic acquaintance with knotting techniques. The folks to ask would be the family. It sounds like LE was perhaps not including them very much in the investigation, rather going on their own hunches and assumptions and discarding questions that went contrary to their strongly held theses (LE offered no knotting analysis at their presentation btw). I don't know for sure that the Zahau's were left out, but the quotes in the papers make Rebecca's sister sound like she felt brushed aside. I agree that the Zahau's should have had their own representation during the autopsy and investigation. It sounds like the head guy from San Diego went to them at the beginning and assured them no stone would go unturned and they believed him, and remained passive. Not the best move, looking back.

I have ZERO experience with tying knots. I didn't even get my girl scout badge in knot tying because it was confusing and boring. lol

However last weekend I was helping my daughter move into her first apartment and we needed to tie her queen size mattress on top of the explorer. It had to be tight enough to drive on the 101 fwy all the way to Santa Monica. I was using red rope, just like in the pictures of the RN crime scene. SOMEHOW, after playing around a little bit, I came up with a way that would pull tight and hold the mattress securely on the roof. It was a modified slip knot. It was not that hard or complicated. When one is under pressure and necessity calls, then it may be possible to figure out a way to tie a necessary knot.

 

[arielilane]

Examiner has an interview with RN's family lawyer. She says the voice message has been erased and questions whether it ever existed. I am really curious how this message got erased. Who erased it? RN supposedly kept her journal on her phone, she didn't erase that, but the message after which she apparently decided to kill herself-poof! Gone.
http://www.examiner.com/news-analys...ahau-family-attorney-debunks-suicide-findings

Thank you for posting, jjenny. A must read.

 

[katydid23]

There is no evidence his scooter was upstairs, so where did you get that info? Police did not use a scooter in their stimulation on how the accident occurred.

I am just responding to what others have discussed here, since it was found on his shin. I am discussing it as a POSSIBILITY.

I do not believe he could have gone over that stairway fencing just by running into it. So the scooter is one possibility since it was found with his body.

Speaking of the simulation,it looked to me like they used an adult sized figure drawing in the simulation. I don't think it would have worked if they used a 6 yr olds size in that animation.

 

[jjenny]

I am just responding to what others have discussed here, since it was found on his shin. I am discussing it as a POSSIBILITY.

I do not believe he could have gone over that stairway fencing just by running into it. So the scooter is one possibility since it was found with his body.

Police didn't include the scooter in their stimulation. I presume because they couldn't figure out how it would end up on the child's shin considering the railing was not broken.

 

[katydid23]

Police didn't include the scooter in their stimulation. I presume because they couldn't figure out how it would end up on top on him considering the railing was not broken.

Police also did not include the proper size of a 6 yr old in their drawing because maybe they could not figure out how such a small person could end up over the top of that railing.

 

[jjenny]

Police also did not include the proper size of a 6 yr old in their drawing because maybe they could not figure out how such a small person could end up over the top of that railing.

Are you questioning the thoroughness of police investigation? It's all ironclad.