CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #8

[jjenny]

But isn't this lawyer making the rounds trying to disprove what LE said in their presser? Why would she say things that are incorrect and show she was so misinformed? Should I believe what the family even has to say if their attorney is publicly putting out false info?

THESE STATEMENTS WERE MADE BEFORE THE PRESS CONFERENCE (if they were made at all because they don't appear as direct quotes). I've already said I have no way of knowing what is correct. The planking might have been what the family believed happened. Were both of Max's siblings in the home? I certainly would like to know.

 

[Curious Me]

They say Zahau was in the shower at the time of the accident, but maybe they meant RZ's 13 yr. old sister. However, she is not one of the two siblings mentioned as also being in the mansion at that time, according to this article. Why did they report in the PC exactly what RZ and her 13 yr old sister were doing, but not those other people?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...34/1?AID=4992781&PID=4169795&SID=1pttbu8fmtfo


"Bremner said Zahau was not alone in the mansion when Max had his accident. She said that two of the child's teenage siblings were present and that Zahau was in the shower at the time of the accident. Max's mother and Jonah Shacknai were divorced, and Zahau had recently divorced as well."

 

[tiredblondy]

Apparently the message was SHE SAVED HIM CAN YOU SAVE HER.
Frankly it would make so much more sense to me if it said She couldn't save him (meaning Max)... I can't figure out who is that she saved.
http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

What if the person who wrote it did not know Max had taken a turn for the worse, that he wasn't going to make it ?

 

[katydid23]

THESE STATEMENTS WERE MADE BEFORE THE PRESS CONFERENCE (if they were made at all because they don't appear as direct quotes). I've already said I have no way of knowing what is correct. The planking might have been what the family believed happened. Were both of Max's siblings in the home? I certainly would like to know.

But certainly RN told her sister what happened with Max? Why would the family think it was a planking accident unless RN said something like that herself? Why would the family need the press conference to know what happened to Max? Two of their family members were right there in the home at the time.

MAYBE it was the teen siblings who were playing around with Max and gave him the planking idea? Someone is trying really hard to keep them out of the picture and out of the press accounts.

 

[jjenny]

If RN was in the bathroom then she wouldn't know what had happened to Max. She might have been speculating.

 

[gitana1]

You may not agree with the conclusion but that does not mean it was a "sloppy" investigation. Multiple agencies were involved along with a large expenditure of resources imo. No evidence whatsoever that Rebecca's death was a homicide.

Well, the hands and feet being tied ornately and the gag in the mouth could be seen by some as evidence of homicide. The knives all over the place and the blood running down her leg may be seen as some sort of evidence of homicide too.

It looks like LE investigated all angles and determined that suicide was the more plausible option. But that does not mean there was no evidence of homicide.

Blame her for going to the bathroom for a few minutes? What, was she supposed to cease all bodily functions when she was on child-watching duty?

Even blaming her for not delivering timely CPR is an awful far stretch. This is not to say that he didn't blame her; I bet he did, though that was not justified imho.

Sure a caregiver is allowed to use the bathroom. They are supposed to ensure the safety of the child before doing so.

This was Max's house. You can't watch a 6 year old kid, indoors, every second. He's not 1 or 2 years old. Sadly, an horrible accident happened to him, somehow. I can't see blaming Rebecca for that at all.

This is the supposed suicide note that's not a suicide note but a message (or whatever LE was getting at)

From signonsandiego:

<........A message written in black paint on the door to the guest room with the balcony was also discovered. Officials would not disclose the contents of the message, but Zahau's ex-husband, Neil Nalepa, told The San Diego Union-Tribune it read: "She saved him, can he save her.".......>

That is one bizarre message. What could it possibly mean? It makes no sense.

I think it could go different ways. It could be an angry message that she saved Max - perhaps she defensively stated this if accused of not watching him, after the accident, when he was still alive - but since they are blaming her (conjecture), even though she kept him alive after the fall, let him try to save her now.

Or, it could be someone else saying sarcastically that since Rebecca "saved" Max, he can save her.

Autopsy: Rebecca Zahau found dead with T-shirt in mouth


"Explosive new details contained in an autopsy report suggest Rebecca Zahau was not only found naked, bound and hanging at the historic Spreckels mansion in Coronado; but she was also gagged with a T-shirt wrapped around her mouth and neck."

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

Wow, man. That's bizarre. Gagged?

I think she had the t-shirt on as she was doing her preparations. Before she put the rope around her neck she put the t-shirt there to lessen rope burns or irritation which may have caused her to loosen the rope. It needed to be fairly tight in order to hold her after she jumped.

She may have also stuffed it in her mouth thinking that her natural reaction after jumping would be to scream and bring Adam outside immediately.

I also think it's likely that the t-shirt was either one of Jonah's or Max's and was sending an additional message of some kind.

I think Adam came out in the morning and saw her immediately, got a knife in a panic, jumped on the table and cut her down. She had been dead for nearly 4 hours, though, and rigor had set in.

With regard to the blood on her legs, she may have scraped against the house or the cactus on the jump. Just IMO.

The scooter being involved in Max's accident makes sense. That poor little kid, he probably experienced such terror and it is terrible to think about. I hope both he and Rebecca rest in peace.

EDIT: I just read that the t-shirt was on top of the rope. I still think she used it to muffle any sounds she would have made.

It's possible that she gagged herself as well. I don't know what to think. It's a very bizarre case, a highly unusual suicide and a lot of money and power at play so it's hard not to be suspicious. But it is possible that it's a suicide. I just don't know.

I want to say this though, it is highly unlikely that Max experienced terror. At the moment of such a fall, it happens so fast, there is not much time to think. Likely, he just fell and in that split second, tried to brace himself. It's after such an accident, if a person survives, that the fear and shock set in.

 

[katydid23]

If RN was in the bathroom then she wouldn't know what had happened to Max. She might have been speculating.

For her to speculate that he was planking there must have been a reason to make that assumption. Correct? Why make that statement?

 

[tiredblondy]

There is one thing I'm assuming

If Rebecca's death was not a suicide and was a murder then I would assume anyone in JS's family is at risk.

I have a few other ideas but I would not dare to reveal them at this time.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They say Zahau was in the shower at the time of the accident, but maybe they meant RZ's 13 yr. old sister. However, she is not one of the two siblings mentioned as also being in the mansion at that time, according to this article. Why did they report in the PC exactly what RZ and her 13 yr old sister were doing, but not those other people?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...34/1?AID=4992781&PID=4169795&SID=1pttbu8fmtfo


"Bremner said Zahau was not alone in the mansion when Max had his accident. She said that two of the child's teenage siblings were present and that Zahau was in the shower at the time of the accident. Max's mother and Jonah Shacknai were divorced, and Zahau had recently divorced as well."

I wonder why Bremner omitted Rebecca's sister being in the home?

And the two (rebecca and her sister) were supposed to be in separate bathrooms at the same time so where does the planking accident come from?

imo

 

[time]

Well if it were something he did all on his own then why would they label it a planking accident? He would have had to tell someone he was going to do that or try that for anyone to know. Unless of course one of them came out and saw him stretched out on the balcony ledge, just before he fell. ?

My logic about it not being 'helpful' to Rebecca comes from the long, pointed conversations I have had here recently. People being angry that I questioned if RN was supervising him properly. In my opinion, if it was a planking accident, then there was not enough supervision of that 6 yr old. Sorry to question that but I do. And I question it because I am wondering why she ended up at the end of that rope.

So yes, if what they are after is the truth, and the truth is that he was playing a very dangerous game up on the second floor balcony, then imo there was a valid motivation for her to kill herself out of grief and pain and anger at JS/DS perhaps too.

Maybe none of this screams despondency to you, but to me it surely does. She gave up her former life for him, to take care of his kids and his home, and then when this tragedy happens, his ex bans her from the hospital and blames her. [ possibly] And there is , again according to the truth seekers,
the Z family attorney, a heated call placed in which JS gives her some terrible news. Did he blow up at her and tell her to get out of his house?

Imo, if her 13 yr old sis/niece was being irresponsible, and helped cause this tragic death, and all of the blame was being put on RN, she would have been devastated and very distraught. imoo

Well, maybe you are right about IF they called it planking someone had to see it. I didn't hear anyone on Rebecca's side say there was planking. I guess it was in an article... maybe that was an error.

according to the truth seekers, the Z family attorney, a heated call placed in which JS gives her some terrible news.

I never heard anyone say it was a heated call, but maybe they did. LE said the call was news about Max's condition worsening.

You have a right to your opinion and I respect that. I can see why you think Rebecca was despondent, however, I have to give great weight to those who knew her and to the fact that I just don't believe in that short of time someone gets suicidal and carries out all these elaborate machinations we are supposed to believe happened to commit suicide. Rebecca did give up a lot to be with Jonah. But she had a lot to go back to ... a loving family and friends and she could probably easiy get another job given her previous experience. I think she really cared for Jonah's kids and that would have been a big loss. But she was only 32 and had years to have children of her own. I could buy suicide on some level (maybe not so quick) if it was just a normal one and if someone maybe threatened to ruin her life or so debased her she went into a dark hole, but I can't buy that this person committed this suicide under these circumstances and did so almost immediately after a phone call.

 

[jjenny]

I wonder why Bremner omitted Rebecca's sister being in the home?

And the two (rebecca and her sister) were supposed to be in separate bathrooms at the same time so where does the planking accident come from?

imo

How do we know they were in separate bathrooms? Did police say that? One could have been in the shower the other doing whatever else one does in the bathroom. They are sisters so that would not be strange.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

For her to speculate that he was planking there must have been a reason to make that assumption. Correct? Why make that statement?

I have to agree and she doesn't seem to be speculating but is saying that is what happened.

How would she know that if Rebecca and her sister were in two different bathrooms at the time when it supposedly happened?

IMO

 

[jjenny]

I have to agree and she doesn't seem to be speculating but is saying that is what happened.

How would she know that if Rebecca and her sister were in two different bathrooms at the time when it supposedly happened?

IMO

The lawyer hasn't said anything about RN and her sister being in different bathrooms.

 

[katydid23]

I wonder why Bremner omitted Rebecca's sister being in the home?

And the two (rebecca and her sister) were supposed to be in separate bathrooms at the same time so where does the planking accident come from?

imo

THANK YOU. Something is being lost in translation here. I think that if you took everything that this Z family attorney is saying, and add to it what the Shaknai people are putting out there, THE TRUTH WILL BE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

How do we know they were in separate bathrooms? Did police say that? One could have been in the shower the other doing whatever else one does in the bathroom. They are sisters so that would not be strange.

Yes, they said Rebecca told them she was using the bathroom close to the staircase and that her sister was in another part of the house taking a shower.

IMO

 

[jjenny]

Yes, they said Rebecca told them she was using the bathroom close to the staircase and that her sister was in another part of the house taking a shower.

IMO

Then how did the sister end up making 911 call? Assuming it was the sister? Press really should get the 911 calls released. Both for Max and for RN.

 

[katydid23]

The lawyer hasn't said anything about RN and her sister being in different bathrooms.

Maybe not different bathrooms, but she said they were both using the bathroom at the time of the accident. Pretty convenient, imo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The lawyer hasn't said anything about RN and her sister being in different bathrooms.

I know, but the police did and they said they were told by Rebecca when they interviewed her.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Then how did the sister end up making 911 call? Assuming it was the sister? Press really should get the 911 calls released. Both for Max and for RN.

I guess Rebecca may have screamed for her to come or she may have heard the chandelier crash to the floor and came running.

imo

 

[scorekeeper]

FYI:

1. Just read this article, includes graphic photos, sheriffs photos, etc.. and family comments regarding disbelief ...stating "I think I know who killed my sister".

"Snowem Horwath and Mary Zahau Loehner are Rebecca Nalepa’s Sisters"

http://celebritydaily.net/tv/snowem-horwath-and-mary-zahau-loehner-are-rebecca-nalepas-sisters/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=snowem-horwath-and-mary-zahau-loehner-are-rebecca-nalepas-sisters[/url]


2. "Who is Jonah Shaknai? Who Killed Rebecca Nalepa-Zahau?Update: Police said it was suicide!"(2nd article with background info on main players, but pre sheriff update)

http://kims3003.hubpages.com/hub/Who-is-Jonah-Shaknai-Who-Killed-Rebecca-Nalepa-Zahau

After the new information; I STILL doubt the suicide theorie.


It is stated in this newsreport that:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/208...acknai-nalepa-spreckes-mansion-suicide-bo.htm


"Zahau's ex-husband Neil Nalepa reportedly witnessed the message firsthand and told Coronado Patch it said: "She saved him, can he save her."


Now this makes me wonder; WHEN and WHY was Neil Nalepa inside the house to see the message Rebecca, alleged, wrote FIRSTHAND???




In the same newsreport there is a picture of the balcony with the orange rope in which Rebecca was hanged.

This made me think; if the orange rope hanging from the balcony was THAT long, after she was alledged cut down, and the piece of orange rope seen going from Rebecca's neck and out on the lawn also was THAT long, then HOW could she have been hanged???
To me it looks like the full length of the orange rope would have made Rebecca reach the ground, and therefore NOT been able to be hanged, but insted have had some really serious injuries, first of all from hitting the wall after the fall/jump from the balcony (her body swinging like a pendulum), and second from hitting the ground at least with her feet. And as we have discussed earlier, it DID look like her knees were bent, and due to the new info that she alleged commited the suicide shortly after 3 am, her body would have been rigor mortis the next morning when the picture was taken, and the legs looked like the knees were bent.

I have tried to visualize my thoughts on this, and please forgive me for using the graphic picture of Rebecca but I felt I had to, to explain my thoughts on this issue.

Please let me know what you think.

Thank you for the pictures.....

Remember RN had a smaller piece of rope showing in the one picture off to the opposite side of her neck as the blue shirt (thought it was a scarf); maybe a foot long. The longer piece of rope was coming from the back of her body, possibly from her hands. Therefore, her feet probably were not on the ground.