CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #8

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  • #581
The police did a really limited job of laying out the evidence in today's briefing. I don't understand the physics of Max's fall at all. It looks like something only an olympic gymnast could do if they were trying and this was an accident. If he was fooling around or swinging by the chandelier, they should have said it.
I believed Rebecca's death was a suicide from day one and I met her only once. The pages of speculation were interesting but implausible. I hope more details are released to put this disaster to rest.

RIP
 
  • #582
Re the knot: In the image where the rope is tied to the bed post. That type of knot is not anything intricate. Coming from a family who has a lake cabin and does water sports, many ropes are purchased and have a knot & loop on the end already. That looks to be the case here. You can see what I'm talking about on this example. See how the loop is already on the end of the rope? http://www.miamiskinautiques.com/v/vspfiles/photos/2011_HO_6K_60_FT_Deluxe_Rope-1.jpg

Re the suicide: With the "evidence" presented, I personally don't see how any other conclusion than suicide could be drawn. While the circumstances are strange, there is absolutely no proof what so ever of anyone else's fingerprints/DNA on any of the items. If that's the case, WHO could it be? I suppose someone could have worn gloves, but if this is the case, where are the footprints on the balcony when this person may have dropped/shoved Rebecca over the railing. Surely there would be more of a mess of the dust, more of a shuffle of something that had occurred if someone else where there as well.

Re the message: To me, this confirms more toward suicide. I have no doubt a message like that would be written by a woman. It's a poetic, dramatic statement, and IMO a man would NEVER think of something like that. She is saying...She (Rebecca) saved Jonah, but can he (Jonah) save her. IMO, from herself. It just does not make sense that some other random murderer (since we know Jonah & Dina were confirmed at the hospital), would search for paint and a paint brush and make this statement. Rebecca was the poetic artistic unique person, and IMO she wrote the message.

MOO BAA QUACK ;)

Not that long I was watching a true crime show. A husband was suspected of killing his ex-wife. None of his DNA was found at the crime scence. She was stabbed at her home, it was a bloody crime scene. Yet none of his DNA was there. He was convicted. So absence of DNA is not evidence of absence of a crime.
 
  • #583
"she saved him, can he save her"
Sounds like a quote from a song, movie or play to me.
I've googled a bit, but haven't nailed it yet.

IMO
 
  • #584
I understand that. But I have known personally of three suicides in my lifetime. And almost none of the families of the suicidal subjects ever accepted it was a suicide. A friend of my older brothers, a neighbor, and a girl my daughters age, one jumped off the Golden Gate bridge, two were hangings, and nobody in any of the families wanted to accept they were suicides.

I am sincerely so sorry to hear of your troubles... :blowkiss:

But, with all due respect, I am not family. I have no denial. I see facts, I read reports, as minimal as they've been, I read here and every news report that is released, and I factor in my gut...BIGTIME....and then I come to my conclusion. For now, this is my conclusion...it was murder.

Whereas those who have had experience with suicide close to them, and were surprised by the sad, tragic event, not foreseeing it at all, would naturally see this from a different vantage point.

Let's agree to disagree.

I really feel someone killed this woman and I will always do so...until they 'show me the money', shall we say. ;)

I hope some hero on a horse of ANY color will rush in and straighten out this fiasco...

oh...IMO ;)
 
  • #585
I believe there is more to this accident than was reported. Why was the sibling hustled out of town --gone by the time the paramedics arrived? Protecting your child? You don't even know all the details yet, but you have the presence of mind to arrange travel? Unless the flight plans were already in motion for that morning.

I'm curious whose room that was. Maybe the "she" in the message refers to the occupant of that bedroom. Seems to me that RN would be staying in the Master Bedroom.

They should be able to test the blood and determine where it came from. Menstrual blood, a mouth wound (saliva and blood), etc. But no mention of blood by LE?

I thought perhaps a nick from the knife. Someone carrying the knives cut themselves before entering the room.

Did the towel have blood on it? Was RN wrapped in the towel coming from the shower and surprised by an assailant, the towel dropped. Perhaps she bit the assailant and the blood was from another party?

:banghead:

It is SO late here and I am SO tired but I SO appreciate your post and the line on which you are thinking...thanks. I'll be busy with family duties tomorrow but will be here Sunday to further explore this...hope you are around...

I will read every post to see where you ALL take this, it is riveting...you ALL ROCK. The best of the best... :blowkiss:
 
  • #586
"she saved him, can he save her"
Sounds like a quote from a song, movie or play to me.
I've googled a bit, but haven't nailed it yet.

IMO

Save me a min here, would you, please? Was that the message on the door? I have my own feelings about it if it was...
 
  • #587
I thought I read somewhere that Rebecca was religious? If so, could it mean "save" in that manner, in the first part? I don't know, just reaching...it still would not make sense...
 
  • #588
Save me a min here, would you, please? Was that the message on the door? I have my own feelings about it if it was...

Yes it was on the door, painted with black paint.
 
  • #589
Yes it was on the door, painted with black paint.

"she saved him, can he save her"

I feel it was a message directed at Jonah...I feel like maybe Rebecca lied, in some fashion, about Maxies accident, thus 'saving' JS and she was punished for it by someone; Jonah was punished for it...ALL just my gut reaction. That is not suicide talk to me...'ole uneducated me. ;) Well, in my scenario....Jonah didn't 'save' Rebecca...maybe he wasn't back in time....IMO

Good to see you, jjenny and thanks for the response....
 
  • #590
I thought I read somewhere that Rebecca was religious? If so, could it mean "save" in that manner, in the first part? I don't know, just reaching...it still would not make sense...

Yes, she was religious and according to family believed those who commit suicide would go to hell. Maybe "save her" means saving the soul?
 
  • #591
Yes, she was religious and according to family believed those who commit suicide would go to hell. Maybe "save her" means saving the soul?

Did she hope someone would save her in time, before she died...
 
  • #592
Did she hope someone would save her in time, before she died...

Well if she did kill herself it appears she did everything to make it impossible.
Taking pills then calling for help would be more realistic if she was hoping somebody could save her life. If that message she got wasn't erased, I bet it would clarify a few things. Based on what her sister has said, it does not appear RN was suicidal before getting that message.
 
  • #593
"she saved him, can he save her"
Sounds like a quote from a song, movie or play to me.
I've googled a bit, but haven't nailed it yet.

IMO

After you wrote that, I could hear Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman movie...

Edward: So what happened after he climbed up the tower and rescued her?
Vivian: She rescues him right back.


Edward (JS) rescued Vivian(RN) financially, but Vivian(RN) rescued Edward (JS)emotionally and spiritually.

Maybe that was their movie.... She rescued him emotionally/spiritually following his 2nd divorce - gave up her job, friends and life to take care of him and his kids. Then, he blamed her for MS death and possibly broke it off during the last call. She was upset and angry. She had expected more in return. In the end, he could not save her. The relationship was over. She knew it, and committed suicide.

IF this is suicide..... still not fully convinced since too many odd circumstances and family not convinced.
 
  • #594
Detectives claim a witness told them she was not working out. Gym trainer says she was working out all the time.
"But according to trainers, Zahau worked out constantly this summer. “She was in that weekend,” Reed Holman said, referring to the days before Zahau died."
http://coronado.patch.com/articles/community-reacts-to-detectives-suicide-finding-in-mansion-death

RCBM

That tells me how much faith to put in THIS 'investigation'! (Give me some room, I'm using the term loosely)

Great post, jjenny...it really shows the contrast between reality and fantasy...Hey, I'm a fun gal but unfortunately, imo, this investigation has too much 'fantasy'
 
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I say there is SO much sleuthing to be done here....we finally have something to work with...

Good night, all...I cannot see this standing. I hope there some kind of federal investigation from pressure from the public. I do not know if that is a possibility, I do not know CA law, anyone have insight of possible alternatives, if any? I'm going to write your President, lol....but I'm Canadian so we'll see what good that'll do for me , lol...;) But, man, almost.

See ya...I'll be reading ya...:)
 
  • #599
I just heard about this tragic set of events today so I am just catching up on all the threads.

I'm confused. I read an article that said Adam cut her down to try to save her. The pic I saw showed her laying face up with the rope and a shirt wrapped around her neck. I read in other articles she was lying face down.

Seems like he would've placed her on her back when he cut her down and loosened the ligature if he was trying to save her. Not intending to sound accusatory, just trying to find out if there is some clarification about what really happened when he found her.
 
  • #600
I thought I read somewhere that Rebecca was religious? If so, could it mean "save" in that manner, in the first part? I don't know, just reaching...it still would not make sense...

lol, i said this exact thing in so many words a few pages back. a nice idea, but really reaching imo. anything would be reaching i guess. it's just too ambiguous.
 
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