CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #8

[MyBelle]

Frankly, I don't believe anything from LE. Their "stimulation" or anything else in this matter.

I don't believe the cops are corrupt or in any way have lied.

 

[Sharyne]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

""On the anterolateral mid left shin there is a 1 x 5/8 inch gray piece of material and two smaller similar pieces just distal to it, measuring 1/4 inch and 3/8 inch (Comment: appears similar to tape residue)" from above link

 

[Theforeigner]

After the new information; I STILL doubt the suicide theorie.


It is stated in this newsreport that:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/208...acknai-nalepa-spreckes-mansion-suicide-bo.htm


"Zahau's ex-husband Neil Nalepa reportedly witnessed the message firsthand and told Coronado Patch it said: "She saved him, can he save her."


Now this makes me wonder; WHEN and WHY was Neil Nalepa inside the house to see the message Rebecca, alleged, wrote FIRSTHAND???




In the same newsreport there is a picture of the balcony with the orange rope in which Rebecca was hanged.

This made me think; if the orange rope hanging from the balcony was THAT long, after she was alledged cut down, and the piece of orange rope seen going from Rebecca's neck and out on the lawn also was THAT long, then HOW could she have been hanged???
To me it looks like the full length of the orange rope would have made Rebecca reach the ground, and therefore NOT been able to be hanged, but insted have had some really serious injuries, first of all from hitting the wall after the fall/jump from the balcony (her body swinging like a pendulum), and second from hitting the ground at least with her feet. And as we have discussed earlier, it DID look like her knees were bent, and due to the new info that she alleged commited the suicide shortly after 3 am, her body would have been rigor mortis the next morning when the picture was taken, and the legs looked like the knees were bent.

I have tried to visualize my thoughts on this, and please forgive me for using the graphic picture of Rebecca but I felt I had to, to explain my thoughts on this issue.

Please let me know what you think.

 

[IWannaKnow]

WOW! I don't know if this guy is accurate or not, but his timeline is VERY interesting.

http://www.bnet.com/blog/drug-busin...death-suicide-finding-wont-end-the-drama/9556

Shacknai Mansion Death: Suicide Finding Won’t End the Drama

By Jim Edwards | September 2, 2011

 

[katydid23]

After sitting back and reading through the entire thread and the previous few, I have to say that many of the same reasons people are offering for why it was NOT a suicide, are also reasons it does not seem like a homicide.

If you are going to hang someone to make it look like a suicide, would you hog tie her and bind her hands first? Would you stop and paint that message on the door? Would you erase the angry message from her phone, the one that might show her motivation for suicide?

 

[cluciano63]

I don't believe the cops are corrupt or in any way have lied.

I don't believe they have lied either; they may be leaving out information that is sensitive to Rebecca, or something like that, but I do not believe that they reached this conclusion based on money or influence, JMO.

 

[Curious Me]

I believe there is more to this accident than was reported. Why was the sibling hustled out of town --gone by the time the paramedics arrived? Protecting your child? You don't even know all the details yet, but you have the presence of mind to arrange travel? Unless the flight plans were already in motion for that morning.

I'm curious whose room that was. Maybe the "she" in the message refers to the occupant of that bedroom. Seems to me that RN would be staying in the Master Bedroom.

They should be able to test the blood and determine where it came from. Menstrual blood, a mouth wound (saliva and blood), etc. But no mention of blood by LE?

I thought perhaps a nick from the knife. Someone carrying the knives cut themselves before entering the room.

Did the towel have blood on it? Was RN wrapped in the towel coming from the shower and surprised by an assailant, the towel dropped. Perhaps she bit the assailant and the blood was from another party?

:banghead:

BBM The initial accident that harmed MS seems to be what started something hush-hush. It's very possible Rebecca knew something more and could not be trusted to go through further questioning without letting some secret out.

She supposely rushed to committ suicide right away, but it looks more like she had to be silenced right away, JMO.

 

[katydid23]

WOW! I don't know if this guy is accurate or not, but his timeline is VERY interesting.

http://www.bnet.com/blog/drug-busin...death-suicide-finding-wont-end-the-drama/9556

Shacknai Mansion Death: Suicide Finding Won’t End the Drama

By Jim Edwards | September 2, 2011

I do not know where they are getting that it was a planking accident. IF SO, someone else had to be involved, because the purpose of planking is to snap a photo. Where was the 13 yr old when he fell? Maybe the shower story is a fake alibi. And maybe that is why RN felt so guilty.

I have a lot of sympathy for the family of RN but I do not necessarily take their arguments as factual. Families NEVER believe it when a loved one commits suicide. imoo

 

[Peaceful]

So I am not quite sure how to put this but I will just say that I have connections to this case. If you could, what would you want to ask Dina about the situation? Are there any questions you would want to ask Dina specifically?

Did she blame Rebecca? Why couldnt she go to the hospital? What time did the news of MSs injuries becoming more severe get released to the family from drs? were Max's visible injuries consistent with police theories? Was Jonah mad at Rebecca? Where were GS & ES when MS fell. Where did AS go & when did he leave? What's her opinion of AS? Who's bedroom was RZ hanging from. Does she know of any reason there would be a tow rope @ the house? how much time did AS spend @ the hospital "supporting" his brother?

 

[katydid23]

BBM The initial accident that harmed MS seems to be what started something hush-hush. It's very possible Rebecca knew something more and could not be trusted to go through further questioning without letting some secret out.

She supposely rushed to committ suicide right away, but it looks more like she had to be silenced right away, JMO.

OR what if what she knew was very hurtful to her family? What if she knew that it was a planking accident, which would mean that her 13 yr old niece/sister would have been the one to take the picture for Max. Imagine how horrible it would be to have that information and be in the middle of this big mess?

 

[time]

So I am not quite sure how to put this but I will just say that I have connections to this case. If you could, what would you want to ask Dina about the situation? Are there any questions you would want to ask Dina specifically?

Why would she be so cruel as to not let Rebecca see Max one last time even if just for a few minutes? And, does Dina think this is what Max would have wanted? Did Jonah want that also or did he just have to follow that demand since Dina is Max's mother?

I am basing this on what was said on Dr. Drew by the family/attorney ... that Rebecca was strickley forbidden from seeing Max in the hospital.

 

[time]

Anyone else really wondering if Rebecca did receive a voicemail at 12:50 am? I'm still not sure why the claim is that she didn't answer the phone but she did listen to the voicemail? :waitasec:

She could have already been dead by that time? There is certainly no evidence we heard of that proves she listened to a voicemail.

 

[MyBelle]

After sitting back and reading through the entire thread and the previous few, I have to say that many of the same reasons people are offering for why it was NOT a suicide, are also reasons it does not seem like a homicide.

If you are going to hang someone to make it look like a suicide, would you hog tie her and bind her hands first? Would you stop and paint that message on the door? Would you erase the angry message from her phone, the one that might show her motivation for suicide?QUOTE]

BBM
The voice message seems to be lawyer Bremner's focus now. Has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with $$$$$, in my opinion.

 

[time]

Is there some evidence/proof of a planking picture? Everyone keeps referencing one.

 

[time]

MyBelle;7093067

BBM
The voice message seems to be lawyer Bremner's focus now. Has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with $$$$$, in my opinion

You are saying Rebecca's family is out to get money out of this.

 

[time]

OR what if what she knew was very hurtful to her family? What if she knew that it was a planking accident, which would mean that her 13 yr old niece/sister would have been the one to take the picture for Max. Imagine how horrible it would be to have that information and be in the middle of this big mess?

So, her 13 yr old niece would feel better having her aunt commit some horrifficly weird suicide rather than have others confront her about a planking accident? :innocent:

 

[Sharyne]

So I am not quite sure how to put this but I will just say that I have connections to this case. If you could, what would you want to ask Dina about the situation? Are there any questions you would want to ask Dina specifically?

According to posts here on WS, some posters were able to listen to a scanner, and IIRC, it took some time to locate Dina; if that's the case, how long did it take her to get to hospital to see MAX?

 

[MyBelle]

You are saying Rebecca's family is out to get money out of this.

That's where it seems to be headed, imo.

 

[time]

I do not know where they are getting that it was a planking accident. IF SO, someone else had to be involved, because the purpose of planking is to snap a photo. Where was the 13 yr old when he fell? Maybe the shower story is a fake alibi. And maybe that is why RN felt so guilty.

I have a lot of sympathy for the family of RN but I do not necessarily take their arguments as factual. Families NEVER believe it when a loved one commits suicide. imoo

I have had suicides in my family and we believed it. That's because most suicides are shocking, but there is something in the background and the way it's done, you just kind of know. My partners brother supposedly committed suicide, but it was questionable evidence. I have known others who have had suicides in their family and they believed it.

Do you have some kind of reference for people NEVER believing it because I just don't find that the case. People here keep repeating that though as if it's a good reason to think the Zahau family, Neil Nalepa, and Rebecca's friends are questioning these findings. To me, there are huge reasons they should question them. And to many many others.

 

[time]

That's where it seems to be headed, imo.

I have no idea why you are saying that, care to explain. I take it when you say that you are also saying that their real concern is not to further investigate Rebecca's case to see if it was a homicide.