CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[Rhyme & Reason]

I have it. I was providing quotes to try and answer some of your questions.

Thank you. It's very much appreciated!

 

[MyBelle]

I have been following this case loosely, but recently, much more intensely.

Was the roll of duct tape found anywhere near where Rebecca allegedly killed herself? (sorry if this has been addressed, but I haven't read it anywhere.)

My theory right from the start, is that MS had an accident due to Rebecca's negligence.
With that said, I do NOT believe this was a suicide.

Why would someone get naked before killing themselves? (seems quite rare)

No history of mental illness.

No suicide note.

Absolutely absurd.

IMHO

I do not know that it has been established that mental illness is a requirement for subsequent suicide or that all suicides leave behind notes.

I don't know why someone would get naked before committing suicide but then, I also don't know why they wouldn't. I can't crawl into the head of someone who does this.

JMO

 

[Tristan]

katydid: I'd love to hear your theory.

 

[jjenny]

Can we please rule out the planking......the only scenario the police can come up with how max could have ended up where he did and with the injuries he had (and of course the broken chandelier!) was the animation they released. But this of course was a scenario with no one else involved and the others in the bathroom, toilet as they said they were. My brothers reaction to that animation, "why did they use the figure of an adult, when it is a 6 year old?"

So am I right to say this, by the police studies of the situation, planking is not a scenario?

I don't think that just because police came out with one scenario we have to rule every other scenario out. Unless we could model each one of them and say it can not possibly fit.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I know I'm behind, but I'm just seeing this

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15398193/...n-shacknai-boys-blood-likely-a-false-positive

 

[MyBelle]

I don't think that just because police came out with one scenario we have to rule every other scenario out. Unless we could model each one of them and say it can not possibly fit.

The police theory is based on actual evidence at the scene plus Max's autopsy. None of us here are in a position to say otherwise.

JMO

 

[CalElliot]

BTW, why did LE choose hearsay over fact? Why take someone's comment about Rebecca Zahau's gym habits from January when you can look at and verify gym entry records?

Also, based on the LE photo of the door with whited-out message, that message apparently not centered and ran way off to the right. Would that be the work of an artist? Or the work of a stager?

 

[jjenny]

BTW, why did LE choose hearsay over fact? Why take someone's comment about Rebecca Zahau's gym habits from January when you can look at and verify gym entry records?

Also, based on the LE photo of the door with whited-outed message, that message apparently not centered and ran way off to the right. Would that be the work of an artist? Or the work of a stager?

Because they wanted to come up with evidence RN was depressed but didn't have much to go on?

 

[jjenny]

The police theory is based on actual evidence at the scene plus Max's autopsy. None of us here are in a position to say otherwise.

JMO

Just because LE came up with one scenario that fits doesn't mean there aren't other scenarios that could also fit.

 

[Tristan]

What do you think the message meant?
(if it was, in fact, written by RN)

 

[tiredblondy]

I hope DS is successful as well. At the time of Max's fall, there were two other people in the house. And since JS nor DS was there, there was no way to know he wasn't being watched properly.

JMO

There were two other people in the house that we know of or have been told about.

 

[katydid23]

BTW, why did LE choose hearsay over fact? Why take someone's comment about Rebecca Zahau's gym habits from January when you can look at and verify gym entry records?

Also, based on the LE photo of the door with whited-outed message, that message apparently not centered and ran way off to the right. Would that be the work of an artist? Or the work of a stager?

I don't know that you can compare the work of an artist who is in her right mind, with the work of the same artist, who might be feeling distraught, devastated and hopeless to the extent she wants to end her life, as gruesomely as possible.

 

[MyBelle]

Just because LE came up with one scenario that fits doesn't mean there aren't other scenarios that could also fit.

LE has evidence. We do not so any theory the rest of us may have is not based on evidence. I think LE came up with a scenario that fits Max's injuries. Not planking.

 

[MyBelle]

There were two other people in the house that we know of or have been told about.

That's rumor only. LE stated only 2 people other than Max per RN.

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I think you are being incredibly unfair to Max's parents. I doubt JS was "taking sides" with anybody. Max was his son. JS had every right to be angry without Dina prodding him into it. As Dad, JS anger at RN would be expected and completely understandable and have nothing to do with his ex-wife's feelings.

There was no planking involved. LE's illustration makes that clear.

JMO

I'm not saying that Jonah was not critical of Rebecca in his own right. I can see a scenario where Dina had been jealous and angry towards Rebecca for being with Jonah and possibly precipitating their divorce. If she had warned Jonah that she did not want Max alone with Rebecca this would be an opportunity to press him to cut his ties or take a stand.

I did not say that planking had anything to do with Max's death. I did say that the older kids may have been planking earlier and that's why this theory is floating around. If Rebecca knew and allowed any of the kids to plank around this would have caused concern for Dina and reason to affirm that she couldn't be trusted with Max and may have contributed to his death.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

If she did, there's a ritualistic aspect to it. Was she a methodical or analytical person? More needs to be known about her personality. Painting something in black paint makes more of a statement than just using a sharpie. It's bold and it's messy and destructive, and that is in keeping with the suicide. (I'm not convinced, by the way, I'm just saying.)

If this was a suicide, it was either a) an attempt to make it look like murder or b) an act of extreme self-loathing, someone who is extreme pain AND c) an attempt to hurt someone else (make JS sorry?) But these feelings, and the plan, wouldn't have appeared overnight. She would have probably thought of this for a long time, in other circumstances. Her sister said she wouldn't know how to do any of this and it didn't show up on her computer e.g. how to tie her hands like that, but she might have thought of doing it that way long before that. It's very punishing.

A friend of mine knew someone years ago who cut her own throat (a woman.) I remember him saying "think of the amount of self-hatred you'd have to have to do something like that." There is the possibility this is similar. She'd have to be extremely distraught, but the accident alone wouldn't cause that - it would just be the straw that broke the camel's back.

Question: why do people say her legs were bent? Where is that written?

There are pictures of Rebecca s body on the lawn, taken from a news helicopter & posted on fox5sandiego.com. Just to warn you, they are graphic images.

 

[CalElliot]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/shenego...riends-last-note-inconsistent-with-suicide/3/

In FORBES as of 3AM re the door: 'The family attorney, Bremner, stressed that the handwriting has since been painted over – “whited out” – so no further analyses are possible.'

 

[MyBelle]

I'm not saying that Jonah was not critical of Rebecca in his own right. I can see a scenario where Dina had been jealous and angry towards Rebecca for being with Jonah and possibly precipitating their divorce. If she had warned Jonah that she did not want Max alone with Rebecca this would be an opportunity to press him to cut his ties or take a stand.

I did not say that planking had anything to do with Max's death. I did say that the older kids may have been planking earlier and that's why this theory is floating around. If Rebecca knew and allowed any of the kids to plank around this would have caused concern for Dina and reason to affirm that she couldn't be trusted with Max and may have contributed to his death.

I'm sorry but I don't view planking as an innocent, victimless pursuit when a little boy dies as a result. He wasn't to blame for any of this. People endanger children all the time and yeah, that would make DS pretty angry but I don't view her reaction to be one of murder.

DS was the mother of a seriously injured little boy and I think it is unfair to blame her or accuse her in RN's death. If RN couldn't be trusted around the child, that is totally on RN, not DS, who may have had very good reason to be concerned. Her child did end up losing his life.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/shenego...riends-last-note-inconsistent-with-suicide/3/

In FORBES as of 3AM re the door: 'The family attorney, Bremner, stressed that the handwriting has since been painted over – “whited out” – so no further analyses are possible.'

That makes sense. I think there are photos that are available for examination.

 

[tiredblondy]

That's rumor only. LE stated only 2 people other than Max per RN.

I understand that LE stated that and that is what we were told.