CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[HowLoveCanBe]

I'm sorry but I don't view planking as an innocent, victimless pursuit when a little boy dies as a result. He wasn't to blame for any of this. People endanger children all the time and yeah, that would make DS pretty angry but I don't view her reaction to be one of murder.

DS was the mother of a seriously injured little boy and I think it is unfair to blame her or accuse her in RN's death. If RN couldn't be trusted around the child, that is totally on RN, not DS, who may have had very good reason to be concerned. Her child did end up losing his life.

JMO

I think our wires are crossing. I don't think anyone was murdered. I think Dina and Jonah were expressing their grief and looking for a way to understand this tragedy. They may have blamed Rebecca for various reasons some of which concurred others which did not. I think they both pushed her away in their own manner.

I don't think that Max fell as a result of planking. I think he was running down the hall with Ocean to his left. I think he turned to go down the stairs and Ocean kept going straight. He tripped and flew over the railing. Nobody actually saw this happen.

In all this grief and searching for answers what ever interpersonal tensions existed between RN, DS, and JS as a triangle came to the front in a reactive way. That's all I'm saying here.

 

[tiredblondy]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/shenego...riends-last-note-inconsistent-with-suicide/3/

In FORBES as of 3AM re the door: 'The family attorney, Bremner, stressed that the handwriting has since been painted over – “whited out” – so no further analyses are possible.'

Hmmmm

 

[MyBelle]

I think our wires are crossing. I don't think anyone was murdered. I think Dina and Jonah were expressing their grief and looking for a way to understand this tragedy. They may have blamed Rebecca for various reasons some of which concurred others which did not. I think they both pushed her away in their own manner.

I don't think that Max fell as a result of planking. I think he was running down the hall with Ocean to his left. I think he turned to go down the stairs and Ocean kept going straight. He tripped and flew over the railing. Nobody actually saw this happen.

In all this grief and searching for answers what ever interpersonal tensions existed between RN, DS, and JS as a triangle came to the front in a reactive way. That's all I'm saying here.

I don't believe running alongside a dog would have propelled Max at the speed he needed to go over the railing simply because the dog didn't go over the railing. And I still don't believe there was any triangle. DS, imo, had moved on and was not in any triangle at the time of Max's fall. Whatever happened to MS, I think DS it totally blameless.

JMO

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I don't believe running alongside a dog would have propelled Max at the speed he needed to go over the railing simply because the dog didn't go over the railing. And I still don't believe there was any triangle. DS, imo, had moved on and was not in any triangle at the time of Max's fall. Whatever happened to MS, I think DS it totally blameless.

JMO

If you are running full speed and you turn to go down the stairs and suddenly realize that you are running into a dog - you try and avoid hurting the dog. He could have easily tried to jump over Ocean and flew over the railing.

Of course there is a triangle - whether she 'moved on' or not. I've 'moved on' many times in my life and have been surprised by how emotions from the past can come rushing forward. They all had feelings towards each other some of which may have lied dormant. In this situation everything would have come front and center. Dina's feeling towards Rebecca would have come out pronouncedly. Dina's feeling about the relationship between Jonah and Rebecca would have come out pronouncedly. Everyone would have been very reactive capable of saying things they would regret.

 

[Paladine]

It also states Max's death was due to cervical spinal cord contusion.

Thanks for that, just catching up...so, it was a high level spinal cord injury.. With all the other doubts I have, I now wonder if he was pushed with force over the railing in a dispute, possibly...and Rebecca was silenced or punished for revenge...link, might have beeen posted, ya'll are too fast and I've been too busy...

"The single most important thing is there has never been a reported suicide of a female like this. Bound hands and feet. Gagged. A noose around her neck. Naked. Blood down her legs. A shirt wrapped three times around her neck. Tied to a bed with neat slip knots and square knots," Bremner wrote in an email message to ABCNews.com.

Because of the knots, and type of rope, among other things, AS is my #1 suspect, at this point. Wait a week...I may flop back.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/rebecca-zahau-autopsy-raises-questions/story?id=14451270

 

[Paladine]

Maybe the 'note' means nothing. Maybe the note's merely an intentional distraction...a breadcrumb to lead us down a garden path...the more confusion the better for a perp, in a case like this. Can you see the writing on the wall? Look at it...ponder it...get lost in it....attempt to decipher it...and we never will, they hope, IMO. Reminds me so much of that Jon Benet note...

 

[Paladine]

Her legs appeared bent from the photos and there was 'blood down her legs', according to bremmer (link above)....hmmm...I do not think this was quick for Rebecca...I think she suffered...alot. And its maddening...hence, my absence of late...I just had to say that. Be well, friends, and, please...KEEP SLEUTHING! This smells...SO bad. I'll be back.

 

[Paladine]

AND remember the observation one member had (sorry, cannot recall who) that Rebeccas shoulders also seemed to be pulled back, her hands must have been tied back with force. pretty tightly, by the shape of her torso in the photos...

Nude but for the tshirt she was sleeping in now wrapped around her neck and shoved in her mouth to keep her quiet, sitting in a chair, legs tied to chair legs seperately, hands tied together behind her back with force, causing her chest to protrude forward, somewhat...THAT'S what I see.

FYI: I also read a link that mentioned 'defensive wounds'...you can search or I'll try and post it tomorrow if no one has posted it previously...

 

[Steely Dan]

There may well be some things coming out that show that RZ had a lack of respect for JS's family as well. I know this is a victim friendly forum. But people seem to be forgetting that Max was a victim as well. And I think it is perfectly reasonable to question what happened there.

By hiring a lawyer like Ms. Bremner RZ's family is showing a complete lack of respect for Maxie, imo. She is a known shark who does not care about stepping on anyone in her way, truth or lies. imoo

I don't know if the family researched her past. She's a lawyer and supposedly good. They want the truth and it could be related to Max's death. I don't care that Max died two days earlier. They have to get the police to investigate this as soon as possible. JMO

The police theory is based on actual evidence at the scene plus Max's autopsy. None of us here are in a position to say otherwise.

JMO

Everybody here is in a position to say otherwise. It's a free country with freedom of speech. With all due respect you seem to act as if it's ridiculous to question this investigation when there are so many unanswered questions, things that appear to have been purposely left out of the press conference and whiting out the message on the door so nobody will ever see it.

This board is set up to question investigations into crimes. There are quite a few cases in this country that have been ruled suicide but later re-opened and a murder conviction has been obtained. Personally, I don't want a murderer to walk free and there is more than enough evidence to believe this could have been a murder. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That makes sense. I think there are photos that are available for examination.

Of course it makes sense. No one is going to let a message stay up on a door without painting it white again.

But I have no doubt that LE took very close up photos of the writing and also made a video of the entire room including the door.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks for that, just catching up...so, it was a high level spinal cord injury.. With all the other doubts I have, I now wonder if he was pushed with force over the railing in a dispute, possibly...and Rebecca was silenced or punished for revenge...link, might have beeen posted, ya'll are too fast and I've been too busy...



Because of the knots, and type of rope, among other things, AS is my #1 suspect, at this point. Wait a week...I may flop back.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/rebecca-zahau-autopsy-raises-questions/story?id=14451270

But the family doesnt even seem to suspect AS. They seem more honed in on Dina, imo. The sister said that AS had taken a poly and passed and they wanted the others to take polys.

Why would a 'perp' volunteer information to LE about a part of the t-shirt was found in her mouth when he found her and cut her down?:waitasec:

It seems to me Adam has been very honest and forthright.

IMO

 

[Steely Dan]

Of course it makes sense. No one is going to let a message stay up on a door without painting it white again.

But I have no doubt that LE took very close up photos of the writing and also made a video of the entire room including the door.

BBM

But the only released photos show the door sloppily painted over. I'm assuming they aren't going to leave it that way. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

AND remember the observation one member had (sorry, cannot recall who) that Rebeccas shoulders also seemed to be pulled back, her hands must have been tied back with force. pretty tightly, by the shape of her torso in the photos...

Nude but for the tshirt she was sleeping in now wrapped around her neck and shoved in her mouth to keep her quiet, sitting in a chair, legs tied to chair legs separately, hands tied together behind her back with force, causing her chest to protrude forward, somewhat...THAT'S what I see.

FYI: I also read a link that mentioned 'defensive wounds'...you can search or I'll try and post it tomorrow if no one has posted it previously...

LE discussed the cuts and abrasions found on Rebecca stating she came in contact with the prickly plant (a type of cactus) below when she went over the balcony.

As far as I have read the ME did not list them as 'defensive wounds' nor would they be, but that is being said by Bremner or the media.

IMO

 

[packerdog]

I wonder if JS will sell the house now. I think I would after two tragic deaths happened in that house. It would be hard to go up and down those stairs.

 

[jjenny]

LE discussed the cuts and abrasions found on Rebecca stating she came in contact with the prickly plant (a type of cactus) below when she went over the balcony.

As far as I have read the ME did not list them as 'defensive wounds' nor would they be, but that is being said by Bremner or the media.

IMO

But never said anything about injuries to her head. The woman died from hanging. Why is there evidence of blunt force trauma to her head? In four separate places?

 

[jjenny]

Of course it makes sense. No one is going to let a message stay up on a door without painting it white again.

But I have no doubt that LE took very close up photos of the writing and also made a video of the entire room including the door.

<modsnip>? It's a possible evidence of a crime-how can it be painted over? It makes no sense.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I wonder if JS will sell the house now. I think I would after two tragic deaths happened in that house. It would be hard to go up and down those stairs.

I think he is going to have a very hard time selling this home.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Her legs appeared bent from the photos and there was 'blood down her legs', according to bremmer (link above)....hmmm...I do not think this was quick for Rebecca...I think she suffered...alot. And its maddening...hence, my absence of late...I just had to say that. Be well, friends, and, please...KEEP SLEUTHING! This smells...SO bad. I'll be back.

I think after 15-30 seconds Rebecca was unconscious. I do believe she did commit suicide. I believe the arms bent behind her back was from rigor mortis.

She used three pieces of the same rope. That is why she got the knives that are seen on the guest room floor so she could cut them to the lengths she needed. She bound her feet with one part she had cut off and then bound her hands with the another part and used the longer rope to put around her neck.

The small amount of tape residue found on her shins could have been how she took the hair off of her legs and it left some residue that wasnt washed off when she showered. She may have been so depressed that she hadnt showered that day. Imo, it couldnt have been duct tape wrapped around the entire shin area because more of the tape residue would have been found than an inch on one leg and an inch on the other leg.

Adam is the one that told LE when he found her she had a part of the t-shirt in her mouth. She may have done this in case she felt she may scream as she went over the balcony and didn't want to alert Adam where he would rush out and cut her down before she died.

As far as the blood beneath the scalp.....it takes very little for the scalp area to bleed. Imo, when she went over the weight mass caused the rope to swing back and forth and the top of her head may have struck one of the supports underneath the balcony. It couldn't have been an extensive injury since there was no bleeding in the brain cavity or the brain itself nor did it create any fractures.

The blood on her legs was from striking the cactus plant below the balcony. LE talked about that in their PC. With her hanging there for 4 hours gravity would pull the blood downward from her backside into her groin and her leg area.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

<modsnip>? It's a possible evidence of a crime-how can it be painted over? It makes no sense.

Because they have captured it with photos and video images just like they do in all cases. It has been over 7 weeks and I am sure the home has been released. No one in their right mind is going to leave a message up there like that on a door in their home.

Once that is done then the scene can be cleaned up again. I think LE showed the whited out photo because they were trying to give privacy to the family members but even Bremner has seen the writing and a lot of experts can use those photos for analyisis to determine who wrote it.

In fact I wonder if it was in block letters at all but was just printed instead.

IMO

 

[Quester]

Re: MS&#8217; fall

Wasn&#8217;t the 911 girl caller said to have been &#8220;hysterical&#8221; on the call?

Would she be "hysterical" if she didn't witness the fall?

IF GS was there and injured in the accident, would she have accompanied MS in the ambulance to have her wounds addressed?

And, the two females that were driven in the police car from the mansion to the Coronado hospital could have been RN and her, so called, sister?

TIA