CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[MyBelle]

Oh, please! It's a DUI for .... sake. If everyone who drank and drove were picked up we'd have an epidemic. That was then; however, she is beyond that point in time & is considered a respected legal analyst. No one is without fault.....even you! Listen to what she has to say & you might just learn something.

Learn what exactly? That getting drunk, driving on flat-tires and hurling insults at cops will land you in jail? I already know that even though I've never been arrested or driven drunk. Ms. Bremner didn't learn this life lesson until last year. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It was mentioned many times that Ocean, the dog, was hers. Allegedly "Ocean" was the last word Max said. Rebecca boarded the dog but didn't go to the hospital, JS called for him on 7/16. LE mentioned several times that Ocean was there the day Max fell and was sitting on the landing when they arrived. They made a point of that. There was a red dog toy bone right under the edge of the bed with the red rope she was hung and tied with and would have lined up with the edge of the bed perfectly if the bed hadn't moved. Paint and a paint brush make me think of painting a picture....

Yes, I believe you are right. The paint came for a tube of paint and those are used when painting pictures.

I ether dreamed it (lol) or read somewhere last night that Rebecca did artwork.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They said 'her relative"? Where was that said and it sure seems to be evasive, imo....the boys next door saw GS playing outside w/max and a ball earlier that morning, according to a link I read posted here, earlier...would her boyfriends daughter be considered 'her relative'? I really need to hear from the Zahau's to believe this.

ETA: RN was the source???? And she's dead, ain't that convienant? Wow...I need to hear from the Zahau's, I hope we do.

Yes, RN was the source. LE took a statement from Rebecca and her sister the day Max' accident happened, iirc.

IMO

 

[thinkingstraight]

There are lots of things which do not fit the suicide scenario. But there are also things which do not fit the homicide scenario.

The thing is, I can see how someone committing suicide might want to try and make this look like a murder. And some of the things that make it look unlike a suicide could have been done that way, just to make it look homicidal. Maybe she wanted to make it look like a murder as a way to get back on those who pushed her to suicide.

If it was a homicide, then why not make it look MORE like a suicide than it did. Why leave the ropes around the ankles and the arms tied together after the hanging? I would have used a ladder to remove those ropes before I left the crime scene. And why not leave a believable suicide note?

It is this logic exactly that I have used to decipher the mystery. I honestly think she staged her suicide as a murder to make trouble for JS and/or his family. And it worked.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

NOT as far a I'm aware. I remember it was reported to be GS early on, before the PR team was hired...I think it was Jonahs child from Kimberly...now, the son, ES, is 13 the daughter, GS, is 14, I posted links on thread 2 or 3, I think...

I do not think Rebeccas sister was there. I HOPE the Family straightens this out....

Has Rebecca's family denied her sister was there?

 

[IWannaKnow]

If it were her dog, why did JS pick it up?

Excellent question. Why would he even THINK of the dog on the day his son is pronounced dead? Especially since he didn't board the dog to begin with and in theory was at the hospital with Max when that happened. It would not cross my mind to call for the dog that day, of all days.
:cow:

 

[time]

They said 'her relative"? Where was that said and it sure seems to be evasive, imo....the boys next door saw GS playing outside w/max and a ball earlier that morning, according to a link I read posted here, earlier...would her boyfriends daughter be considered 'her relative'? I really need to hear from the Zahau's to believe this.

ETA: RN was the source???? And she's dead, ain't that convienant? Wow...I need to hear from the Zahau's, I hope we do.

Here's the quote since the subject came up again:

She was gone by the time emergency crews responded to calls that her brother had fallen near the mansion's grand interior staircase.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/a...ead-woman-coronado-mystery.html#ixzz1SKxOJZLV

I also remember LE phrasing it as only Rebecca's sister, Max and Rebecca were home when X arrived. I don't remember them saying that they were the only ones there when the accident occurred, but I might be wrong. Even if they did, perhaps others were wisked away and Rebecca was asked to say they were not there.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It is this logic exactly that I have used to decipher the mystery. I honestly think she staged her suicide as a murder to make trouble for JS and/or his family. And it worked.

I am beginning to think you certainly may be right.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Here's the quote since the subject came up again:



http://www.azcentral.com/business/a...ead-woman-coronado-mystery.html#ixzz1SKxOJZLV

I also remember LE phrasing it as only Rebecca's sister, Max and Rebecca were home when X arrived. I don't remember them saying that they were the only ones there when the accident occurred, but I might be wrong. Even if they did, perhaps others were wisked away and Rebecca was asked to say they were not there.

Yes, LE did say in the PC that the only two people there when the accident occurred was Rebecca and her sister. Rebecca was in a bathroom close to the staircase and they said her sister was taking a shower in another part of the mansion when Max fell.

IMO

 

[Quester]

LE made it quite clear that RN and her relative were the only other people in the house at the time of Max's fall and they were in other parts of the house. Her relative is a minor. LE cited RN as their source for this information. There would be no reason for RN to lie about who was there and where they were at that point in time unless she or her relative was responsible. The investigation into Max's fall did not begin until after her death so the only source after that for cops would be the relative and if she told them planking, then she witnessed his fall and is trying to cover it up with a story that the evidence does not support.

Ms. Bremner's "source" can only be RN's relative. Whatever she says, the evidence and Max's injuries do not support planking. The child's body was propelled across that stairwell by either himself or someone else.

JMO

Sorry - I don't agree - on most everything you've stated.

 

[jjenny]

It is this logic exactly that I have used to decipher the mystery. I honestly think she staged her suicide as a murder to make trouble for JS and/or his family. And it worked.

Considering were are told by LE her motive for suicide was this overwhelming grief over Max's injury, why in the world would she try to make trouble for JS?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Excellent question. Why would he even THINK of the dog on the day his son is pronounced dead? Especially since he didn't board the dog to begin with and in theory was at the hospital with Max when that happened. It would not cross my mind to call for the dog that day, of all days.
:cow:

He had to pick the dog up, right? Didn't he return to Arizona the next day? If so, he had to pick up the dog before he went back. Who would be there to take care of Ocean?

 

[katydid23]

LE made it quite clear that RN and her relative were the only other people in the house at the time of Max's fall and they were in other parts of the house. Her relative is a minor. LE cited RN as their source for this information. There would be no reason for RN to lie about who was there and where they were at that point in time unless she or her relative was responsible. The investigation into Max's fall did not begin until after her death so the only source after that for cops would be the relative and if she told them planking, then she witnessed his fall and is trying to cover it up with a story that the evidence does not support.

Ms. Bremner's "source" can only be RN's relative. Whatever she says, the evidence and Max's injuries do not support planking. The child's body was propelled across that stairwell by either himself or someone else.

JMO

BBM
Exactly. That is what is so interesting about the Z family attorney spouting this planking accident theory. The only source of that information left is the 13 yr old witness. But she was supposedly in the shower. So where did that story come from?

And why the sudden addition of the S siblings being in the home now too? What is the purpose of that ? The only reason I can think of is to cast some kind of suspicion upon them. imoo

 

[scorekeeper]

Now we have to wait for the book

:waiting::waiting:

I want to read the interviews and witness statements.......if only this had happened in FL

Perhaps if LE had been more forthcoming with all the evidence and findings - they said they had an ironclad case - well they sure didn't present that version at the press conference.

Oh, remember the white item by the table in the earlier pictures of RN on the ground......that must have been a candle....according to LE

 

[katydid23]

Considering were are told by LE her motive for suicide was this overwhelming grief over Max's injury, why in the world would she try to make trouble for JS?

Because her motive was twofold. She felt terrible about the accident, and probably felt some guilt. She was in the shower while he was falling from the upstairs balcony. that has to be devastating.

But then in her grief and sorrow, she is told that the child's mother has banned her from visiting the hospital. So apparently her bf did not stick up for her, but is taking his ex wifes side. And he may have even called and broken up with her on the phone that night. We do not know,but LE said there was an erased call. IMO, if it had been a loving call of concern, it would not have been erased.

 

[MyBelle]

It is this logic exactly that I have used to decipher the mystery. I honestly think she staged her suicide as a murder to make trouble for JS and/or his family. And it worked.

It didn't work all that well, imo.

 

[thinkingstraight]

Considering were are told by LE her motive for suicide was this overwhelming grief over Max's injury, why in the world would she try to make trouble for JS?

Did they say "grief"? I need to double check. Anger/pain/humiliation/sadness probably all factored into her state.

 

[jjenny]

BBM
Exactly. That is what is so interesting about the Z family attorney spouting this planking accident theory. The only source of that information left is the 13 yr old witness. But she was supposedly in the shower. So where did that story come from?

And why the sudden addition of the S siblings being in the home now too? What is the purpose of that ? The only reason I can think of is to cast some kind of suspicion upon them. imoo

Actually most of us have been trying to figure out who the teenager in the house was from the start. There was that interview with GS's friend that claimed GS was in Coronado but left before paramedics arrived. So it's not a sudden addition. What I haven't realized until now that there possibly was more than one teenager staying at the house.

 

[branwynbreeze]

No 100% sure if this applies, but wrongful death can be negligence, not providing a safe place for someone who is distraught or if he contributed to her deteriorating mental state.

California Court Permits Wrongful Death Action for Suicide Resulting From Tortious Infliction of Mental State

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1120147

Been at a family reunion all day. Uggh...too much food and now I am trying to catch up.

I do believe you are correct and I don't know if that is Bremner's intentions or not but she isn't dealing with someone who is just going to rollover.

I don't know how Bremner can convince the court Jonah is responsible for Rebecca's death when he wasnt even on the property at the time. And suicide is a choice by the individual who made it.

I believe LE knows a lot more than they divulged so imo while I understand Rebecca's family being upset and wanting more answers .....pointing fingers is a very risky chance to take because if they keep it up then they will box themselves into having to back up those allegations and imo, they cant.

Neither Jonah or Dina are going to just sit here and take this for very long. Rebecca's family has to realize if they are incorrect in their speculations what they are doing is defaming and hurting someone who has already suffered an unimaginable tragedy of their own.

While the suicide was unusual I do believe the only proof anyone has points to suicide only. If Bremner files a civil suit then she has to have proof that either Jonah or Dina were responsible. That takes solid evidence .....not speculation. So I highly doubt one will ever be filed.

IMO

 

[IWannaKnow]

I believe that Max and Ocean were running down the second floor hallway from the back bedrooms Max on the inside, Ocean on the outside. Max intended to turn down the stairs, but Ocean didn't figure that out and kept running straight. Max might have then went flying over the bannister at the point that dips down on the other side of the newel post and the rest was as the sherrif dept said.
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/ms03.jpg

In fact, that very scenario is mentioned here:
http://www.examiner.com/news-analys...rt-on-suicide-findings-death-of-rebecca-zahau

Detailed report on suicide findings in death of Rebecca Zahau
Joel Siegfried
September 3, 2011

It was assumed that the boy was chasing a soccer ball, and possibly tripped on it or the family's Weimaraner dog, colliding with the banister, and carried by his momentum, falling over the railing at approximately 10:10 a.m. PDT, as seen in the attached slide show of evidence photos and video clip which accompany this report.

This says "the family's" but I remember early reports pointing out that it was Rebecca's dog.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/...mansion-owners-son-girlfriend?redirected=true

Questions remain after deaths of Coronado mansion owner's son, girlfriend

Posted: Jul 13, 2011 1:33 PM EDT Updated: Jul 18, 2011 8:24 PM EDT

Ted Greenberg, owner of Camp Diggity Dog, said Nalepa called the Coronado kennel last Monday, shortly after the boy's fall, to ask that someone pick up her 14-month-old Weimaraner, Ocean. She said her child was hospitalized after an injury.

There was even a picture of him in her tribute video. Misdirected anger could certainly be aimed at the owner...

http://www.meierhoffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/zahau_rebecca.swf

Picture of Rebecca with Ocean in her tribute, but no members of the S. family that I recognize. A blond child at the beginning, but didn't really look like MS to me.

As a single woman who clearly had maternal instincts, I could see her thinking of Ocean as her child. Not that she did, but just sayin'....