CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[deanna82437]

I can see that scenario. But I do not think RN was the one chasing him. I think it is much more likely that the 13 yr old would be upstairs with him and chasing him. They even place themselves on different floors in the different bathrooms.

Also,the 13 yr old suffered some deep cuts from the broken glass and needed stitches. They said it happened when she was cleaning up the glass. I find that hard to believe. When would she clean up? Not while the poor child was lying unconscious. I think she was there immediately and was so shocked that she probably kneeled down next to him in the broken glass.

The sister stated on the Dr. Drew show the following:

PINSKY: Did you have any kinds of conversation with her in the days before this horrible thing happened? Was she in any sort of distress? Can you shine a light on that for us?

ZAHAU: Actually, I spoke with her the day of Max`s injury and the day after. The day of the injury, she called me to ask for my opinion, what to do with the injury that my younger sister had sustained while they were cleaning up the chandelier pieces.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/02/ddhln.01.html

I would assume this was after MS was taken to the hospital.

 

[time]

Actually most of us have been trying to figure out who the teenager in the house was from the start. There was that interview with GS's friend that claimed GS was in Coronado but left before paramedics arrived. So it's not a sudden addition. What I haven't realized until now that there possibly was more than one teenager staying at the house.

Ditto on all that and as I remember some official source/LE said early on that GS went back to SC on Monday. Anyone have that source, we talked about it a lot.

 

[scorekeeper]

Both the Shacknai and Zahau families cooperated fully, Sheriff Gore said. "I'm confident in the results of our investigation."

Gore said Jonah Shacknai is suffering a "tremendous tragedy" and trying to come to terms with it.

"He has accepted the results (of the investigation)," Gore said, adding that it was unfortunate that the Zahau family is unable to accept the same results.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...-san-diego-police-findings.html#ixzz1X2ZsiXWa

BBM

If the Zahuas cooperated fully, does that mean they spoke with RN's sister?

Everything is JS, JS, JS.......what does DS think???????? MS was her son also.......

 

[SunnieRN]

Please excuse any typos as I am on my daughters iPad, but looking at the length of rope under the balcony and allowing for drag, with 100#'s at the end of the rope, I don't see how she could have hit the top of her head on a support. Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Steely Dan]

Both the Shacknai and Zahau families cooperated fully, Sheriff Gore said. "I'm confident in the results of our investigation."

Gore said Jonah Shacknai is suffering a "tremendous tragedy" and trying to come to terms with it.

"He has accepted the results (of the investigation)," Gore said, adding that it was unfortunate that the Zahau family is unable to accept the same results.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...-san-diego-police-findings.html#ixzz1X2ZsiXWa

BBM

If the Zahuas cooperated fully, does that mean they spoke with RN's sister?

Everything is JS, JS, JS.......what does DS think???????? MS was her son also.......

I want to know more about DS too. I'm not accusing her of anything but IMO a woman who's replaced by a trophy wife who's inattention causes the death of her only child must have some sort of anger for that woman.

 

[katydid23]

The sister stated on the Dr. Drew show the following:

PINSKY: Did you have any kinds of conversation with her in the days before this horrible thing happened? Was she in any sort of distress? Can you shine a light on that for us?

ZAHAU: Actually, I spoke with her the day of Max`s injury and the day after. The day of the injury, she called me to ask for my opinion, what to do with the injury that my younger sister had sustained while they were cleaning up the chandelier pieces.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/02/ddhln.01.html

I would assume this was after MS was taken to the hospital.

When the EMTs arrived there are reports that 2 'women'--RN and her sis/niece- were taken away in a squad car. I imagine they were questioned and perhaps taken to the hospital? I don't know.

I do find it surprising that they cleaned up that horrible mess themselves. I would have hired someone. It must have been a bloody mess, sorry for saying that, but seriously. I doubt I could have done that myself. Don't they have a housekeeper or a staff in that 27 room mansion?

 

[MyBelle]

That whole thing has been very murky. I remember we first thought it was GS, and the neighbor boys said that GS that was there but left before the EMT's arrived. I remember very clearly reading that because my son is an EMT and I found it very odd. But I googled and have not been able to find it anywhere now so ?

Then we were told it was RN's niece and or sister. I have seen both written in articles so I am still uncertain which it is. But when RN spoke to the animal boarder she told him her 'daughter' had been hurt in the accident as well. So either he misheard or she misspoke... or maybe GS WAS there at the time?

I just find it odd that an attorney would make such bold assertions about minors in 2 death investigations if it were not true. I mean that if their flight home left at noon that day then Bremner would not make such a statement, imo. The only way she would say this stuff publicly is if it were a possibility they were there at the time of the accident.

Didn't you just comment on Jose Baez's bold assertion that the father of his client sexually abused her? Wasn't Ms. Bremner quite supportive of such bold assertions?

Ms. Bremner isn't privy to any information about Maxie's fall or to where his siblings may have been nor does it matter. The accident wasn't due to planking. The illustration disproves that claim.

All Ms. Bremner has to go on is whatever the 13-year-old has told her. So, if that doesn't jive with what LE was told by Rebecca--and they made it very clear they were going by what Rebecca told them about being in the restrooms and who was there--then that makes RN a liar. I wonder how long it is going to take Ms. Bremner to figure this out.

JMO

 

[SunnieRN]

Steely, we have had this conversation many times. DS has been asked about concerning many things that occurred and we discussed whether or not she was comfortable leaving MS with Rebecca. Also DS could not be found or reached for a few hours after MS's accident.

 

[deanna82437]

"We saw the body from the roof," Prchal said Friday, adding that the image was

disturbing but hard to look away from. "Definitely."

Prchal said he is friends with Shacknai's eldest daughter, 14-year-old Gabriele. He

said he has talked with her several times since the death at her father's home, mostly

to make sure she is OK.

Prchal said Gabriele has not talked a lot about Zahau's death or the injury to her 6-

year-old brother. "It's kind of intimate," he said. "She doesn't want to talk about

them."

Gabriele was in Coronado until Monday morning, when she returned to her South Carolina

home, Prchal said. She was gone by the time emergency crews responded to calls that her

brother had fallen near the mansion's grand interior staircase.

Prchal said that the Shacknais were friendly and that Jonah Shacknai often walked with

his daughters and Zahau around town.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/07/16/20110716arizona-ceo-dead-woman-

coronado-mystery.html

 

[katydid23]

I want to know more about DS too. I'm not accusing her of anything but IMO a woman who's replaced by a trophy wife who's inattention causes the death of her only child must have some sort of anger for that woman.

I tell you what--I would have been so livid. There are reports that JS was seeing RN before his marriage to DS ended. Some of the fights that we heard about between them concerned him leaving the house late at night after the kids were in bed. One time she held onto the car as he tried to drive away.

So imo, DS may have harbored a lot of anger towards RN before this even happened. DS once lived in the Spreckels Mansion, raised her son there.
So for little adorable Max, her only child, to die a horrible death while RN was in the shower? I would have killed her myself if it were my kid.


The only scenario that I can see with DS as the killer is if she called dam the brother, and asked him to do it while she and Jonah were at the hospital, with the cameras.

 

[Bonepile]

Using the balcony as a height guide (Oh no he is doing it again) I am showing a person standing on the table reaching up to the cord and I can see there is plenty of height for that person (in scale) to cut the cord. Not knowing the height of AS I am only guessing but you can see even standing on tip toe you would be able to cut that cord.

Sorry for one more doctored photo. Thanks for viewing.

 

[SunnieRN]

Definitely didn't hit her head on the balcony supports.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No 100% sure if this applies, but wrongful death can be negligence, not providing a safe place for someone who is distraught or if he contributed to her deteriorating mental state.

California Court Permits Wrongful Death Action for Suicide Resulting From Tortious Infliction of Mental State

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1120147

Thank you but I think that is a big stretch.

How could he be responsible for her mental state? He wasnt there when Max had his fatal accident and he wasnt there when she committed suicide. He was at the hospital the entire time being with his baby son who he knew he was going to lose.

IMO

 

[IWannaKnow]

I think ES/GS could have been there for the weekend and JS took them to the airport before MS ever fell. JS continued on to golf game and MS fell around 10:00 am. That would explain the conversations with the neighbor, and the neighbors report that they left before the ambulance ever got there. It could also explain why AB is talking about them being there. IIRC, they supposedly had a party that weekend.

http://www.10news.com/news/28579183/detail.html

ETA: IF they were there at all....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Using the balcony as a height guide (Oh no he is doing it again) I am showing a person standing on the table reaching up to the cord and I can see there is plenty of height for that person (in scale) to cut the cord. Not knowing the height of AS I am only guessing but you can see even standing on tip toe you would be able to cut that cord.

Sorry for one more doctored photo. Thanks for viewing.

WOW! Bonepile that is a great demonstration. I have a feeling that Adam is rather tall. At least 6'.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

Please excuse any typos as I am on my daughters iPad, but looking at the length of rope under the balcony and allowing for drag, with 100#'s at the end of the rope, I don't see how she could have hit the top of her head on a support. Doesn't make sense to me.

I think it depends upon how much she was swinging when she went over the balcony. I know when we used to rope swing from a big tree over the river so we could jump in, it was really dangerous because if you started swinging when you first latched on you would not be fully over the water. A body can cause a tremendous amount of force when swinging. imoo

 

[Bonepile]

WOW! Bonepile that is a great demonstration. I have a feeling that Adam is rather tall. At least 6'.

IMO

Thanks OBE .. I read that somewhere but had forgotten. At least there is no slightly out of focus "body" in this photo rendering this time.

 

[katydid23]

WOW! Bonepile that is a great demonstration. I have a feeling that Adam is rather tall. At least 6'.

IMO

Looking at this picture, if the rope ends where he cut it, I am assumng that is where her neck was roughly. IMO, there is a strong possibility her body could have swung back and forth with enough force to hit those supports under the balcony.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Definitely didn't hit her head on the balcony supports.

Since the rope is so flexible she could have swung into the wall though and slammed her head.

I think Bonepile's demo photo is great. It shows how she also could have come in contact with the prickly tree/high bush too causing some bleeding since it would be contacting naked flesh.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

I think ES/GS were there for the weekend and JS took them to the airport before MS ever fell. JS continued on to golf game and MS fell around 10:00 am. That would explain the conversations with the neighbor, and the neighbors report that they left before the ambulance ever got there. It could also explain why AB is talking about them being there. IIRC, they supposedly had a party that weekend. That was talked about in an Examiner link I posted earlier. Good reason for the kids to be up. IMO.

But if they left with Jonah earlier that morning, then WHY the heck would an attorney publicly say they were in the house when Max fell? Isn't that a flat out lie then?