CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[sdcali]

Someone mentioned a chair tipped over in ? bedroom? (not sure) pictures. Was that chair checked for tape remnants, blood.

I was the one who mentioned it. It is in the bedroom pic that LE released. A wicker chair is seen tipped over on its side in the photo. Yet they said the scene showed no sign of disturbance (or some language like that). My reaction is: REALLY? A chair turned over is normal? hmmm?

 

[katydid23]

Definitely didn't hit her head on the balcony supports.

I guess we have to agree to disagree because this picture makes me believe she could have easily swung into those supports.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Looking at this picture, if the rope ends where he cut it, I am assumng that is where her neck was roughly. IMO, there is a strong possibility her body could have swung back and forth with enough force to hit those supports under the balcony.

I agree. As she went over the force and weight even at 100 pounds would make her swing and she certainly could have struck one of the supports and then her backside also struck the prickly plant underneath the balcony, imo.

IMO

 

[curiousjo]

If rope swinging then I can see her hitting sides of head, but not top of head.

In the photo with orange rope to left of ajar bedroom door. I imagine that the bed is to the left of the door. So, orange rope attached to bottom of bed extends straight to balcony.

 

[curiousjo]

I was the one who mentioned it. It is in the bedroom pic that LE released. A wicker chair is seen tipped over on its side in the photo. Yet they said the scene showed no sign of disturbance (or some language like that). My reaction is: REALLY? A chair turned over is normal? hmmm?

Can you find that photo?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I guess we have to agree to disagree because this picture makes me believe she could have easily swung into those supports.

She certainly didnt jump off from this height and go straight down. She would swing in various directions until the rope finally came to rest.

IMO

 

[Bonepile]

I think Bonepile's demo photo is great. It shows how she also could have come in contact with the prickly tree/high bush too causing some bleeding since it would be contacting naked flesh.

If the body was at that level you can see from the prickly tree/high bush those lower limbs would be at the level of her legs as they are at the level of the demo figure's legs. I wonder if the police looked at that tree/bush for blood drops or broken needles?

 

[i.b.nora]

Using the balcony as a height guide (Oh no he is doing it again) I am showing a person standing on the table reaching up to the cord and I can see there is plenty of height for that person (in scale) to cut the cord. Not knowing the height of AS I am only guessing but you can see even standing on tip toe you would be able to cut that cord.

Sorry for one more doctored photo. Thanks for viewing.

Good work! We know from the plan drawings that had to do with the architectural proposed changes, that the height from the ground to the floor of the balcony is 11'0". We can estimate that the height of the garden table is about 29". I don't know if those are things you have already figured out.

 

[katydid23]

If rope swinging then I can see her hitting sides of head, but not top of head.

In the photo with orange rope to left of ajar bedroom door. I imagine that the bed is to the left of the door. So, orange rope attached to bottom of bed extends straight to balcony.

But those metal supporting rods under the balcony could hit her on the top of the head if she swung backwards with any force.

 

[arielilane]

BBM
If you look at the picture of the balcony posted above, I think there are a few ways she could have hit the top of her head when she went over the balcony. She could have swung backwards and hit the metal braces. They would have been right on top of her head. Or she might have hit the top of her head on the bottom of the balcony if she was swinging and struggling at first. Even Dr Wecht admitted that it was still possible it was a suicide.

I do not think the tape residue is that damning. It is just an inch or so on each leg. that hardly seems like she was bound by a raging killer. It looks more like she taped her shins when she ran or worked out. imoo The t-shirt makes sense to me if she wanted it to look like a murder. Dr Wecht even puts that theory forward himself.

Dr. Wecht's final decision would have been "As a medical examiner, as a coroner, in my opinion the manner of death should have been left as undetermined. Sometimes we can't be sure and sometimes you leave it as undetermined because more investigation is to be conducted," Wecht said.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If rope swinging then I can see her hitting sides of head, but not top of head.

In the photo with orange rope to left of ajar bedroom door. I imagine that the bed is to the left of the door. So, orange rope attached to bottom of bed extends straight to balcony.

But I think the force of hitting the wall or support could make the scalp bleed. It may have broken some blood vessels in the top of the head.

IMO

 

[Carioca]

WOW! Bonepile that is a great demonstration. I have a feeling that Adam is rather tall. At least 6'.

IMO

Great imagery! But... Unless that is a kiddy table.. if a normal table it would reach to the person's knees
Average table height: 29 inches
Average male height: 5ft 10 inches
I measured the original in PhotoShop yesterday and came up with distance from table top to end of rope to be 11.5 feet
Even if AS is 6 feet, he would need really looooong arms to be able to reach with both arms AND cut imo.

 

[curiousjo]

Is this the bedroom illustration with overturned chair? Good eye you have.....

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz-nebr.jpg

Could the rope have hit the chair when she jumped over the balcony railing and knocked it over, or was there a struggle? It it a whicker chair?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Dr. Wecht's final decision would have been "As a medical examiner, as a coroner, in my opinion the manner of death should have been left as undetermined. Sometimes we can't be sure and sometimes you leave it as undetermined because more investigation is to be conducted," Wecht said.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

I really see no reason to leave it undetermined when a respected ME has determined the death a suicide.

IMO

 

[Bonepile]

Dr. Wecht's final decision would have been "As a medical examiner, as a coroner, in my opinion the manner of death should have been left as undetermined. Sometimes we can't be sure and sometimes you leave it as undetermined because more investigation is to be conducted," Wecht said.

But in their "rush to judgement" (even though it took them how many weeks?) I can see them taking the easy route out. I wish they had spent as much professional time with Rebecca's death that they spent with Max, and we might just have some more information to go on. I for one am simply not impressed with their investigation of the RZ end of this period.

 

[jjenny]

Both the Shacknai and Zahau families cooperated fully, Sheriff Gore said. "I'm confident in the results of our investigation."

Gore said Jonah Shacknai is suffering a "tremendous tragedy" and trying to come to terms with it.

"He has accepted the results (of the investigation)," Gore said, adding that it was unfortunate that the Zahau family is unable to accept the same results.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...-san-diego-police-findings.html#ixzz1X2ZsiXWa

BBM

If the Zahuas cooperated fully, does that mean they spoke with RN's sister?

Everything is JS, JS, JS.......what does DS think???????? MS was her son also.......

JS suffered a "tremendous tragedy?" But so is Zahau family. Seems all the concern by LE is toward JS. Is it because he is happy with the investigation and not pushing them to investigate further?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Great imagery! But... Unless that is a kiddy table.. if a normal table it would reach to the person's knees
Average table height: 29 inches
Average male height: 5ft 10 inches
I measured the original in PhotoShop yesterday and came up with distance from table top to end of rope to be 11.5 feet
Even if AS is 6 feet, he would need really looooong arms to be able to reach with both arms AND cut imo.

I think Adam did exactly as he told police he did. So it was doable, imo.

Even Rebecca's family does not think Adam is involved. They say he took a poly and passed.

He was very honest imo. He is the one who told LE when he found Rebecca a part of the t-shirt was in her mouth. Adam imo is a very honest man who will probably never get over the image he saw that day.

IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

Bonepile,

:tyou::tyou:

You are my idol!!!

score

and the three legged table didn't even tip over!!
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[arielilane]

I don't recall this view of the stairway. Sorry so small. I guess its my settings.

 

[Bonepile]

Great imagery! But... Unless that is a kiddy table.. if a normal table it would reach to the person's knees
Average table height: 29 inches
Average male height: 5ft 10 inches
I measured the original in PhotoShop yesterday and came up with distance from table top to end of rope to be 11.5 feet
Even if AS is 6 feet, he would need really looooong arms to be able to reach with both arms AND cut imo.

I took into account at the bottom of that photo you do NOT see the bottom of the table legs. In scale there could be six inches or a foot more of table legs NOT seen .. and if my measurements are slightly off I apologize for that omission.

What bothers me is that no detailed drawings or artist renderings have been shown by the Sheriff to supplement any of their conclusions regarding RZ. Too much time spent on the boy .. too little time spent on RZ.