CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[tiredblondy]

I wrote this last night and I'm going to say it again...the only way that note written on the door makes sense is if the author did not know that Max was not expected to make it!

As for the bleeding on the brain, it could have come from an attack of an intruder then someone who did not want to leave footprints on the balcony could have thrown her over. Someone with long legs would never have to step out there.

I really think there is so much more to this than we know and I suspect that if it was a murder then JS's family could be in danger. The paintbrush and the rope should have had fingerprints on them. Unless it was one act of revenge fueled by rage, revenge, jealousy,envy or some type of espionage I don't think we will ever know. However, they are making a mistake by not giving Rebecca's family more information!

Below is what I wrote last night and I will state again...the only way the words...She saved him, can you save her? make any sense to me is if the person writing that did not know the child was not going to make it.
They did not have the information that Rebecca did.

[my quote from last night]
Regarding the message painted on the door.."She saved him can you save her". This is my personal view on that...There is only one way it makes sense to me!

To me it sounds like a message to Jonah-
"She saved him" (Rebecca saved Maxie by doing CPR until the EMS could get his heart restarted. The person who left the note did not know Max would not make it.)

Can you save her?( almost like a taunt) Obiviously he couldn't and it was too late.

It sounds to me like a message to JS from someone who did not know Max was not going to make it. Someone who knew JS was at the hospital and would not be home.

That could be the reason the LE want to call it a suicide, because there is more here than meets the eye. It sounds to me like someone who wanted to shame, embarass and hurt JS, with no regard to Rebecca. Revenge, attack him while he's weak or down.

Rebecca's death in this way was just a method to accomplish this. It would have been easy to set her on the balcony then tip her over or throw her over.

I don't know but that is the only explanation I can see for the message.

It wasn't a message from Rebecca but from someone with a vendetta against JS. If there were a sexual assault and a murder maybe a profiler has recommended this way of drawing him out? I suspect it would make a person who had done something like this furious to think that they were saying Rebecca was responsible. They would have wanted JS to suffer and that he has but they would also want to humilate and shame him and hope he cannot function anymore.

I hope I've explained this so you can understand. I know what I mean, hope you do too.

That's my opinion only. [end of my quote]

Now let me clarify, If my theory is what happened I only have adults in mind! If the person I think is a possible perpetrator then we will never know because of JS's position...but I do think they are messing with the wrong family by not revealing more to Rebecca's family. Think about it why If my theory is true would they not be told and if they were told they would demand justice, which they deserve!

There's a lot going on here.

Has anyone heard if Jonah is going to step down from his current position?
I can't remember I've read so much about this case.

 

[deanna82437]

Can you find that photo?

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/rz.pdf

Page 15

 

[jjenny]

When the EMTs arrived there are reports that 2 'women'--RN and her sis/niece- were taken away in a squad car. I imagine they were questioned and perhaps taken to the hospital? I don't know.

I do find it surprising that they cleaned up that horrible mess themselves. I would have hired someone. It must have been a bloody mess, sorry for saying that, but seriously. I doubt I could have done that myself. Don't they have a housekeeper or a staff in that 27 room mansion?

We've talked about this before. For being a millionaire, JS doesn't appear to have a lot of staff (or any staff, really-we haven't heard a thing about anyone working in the mansion).

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If the body was at that level you can see from the prickly tree/high bush those lower limbs would be at the level of her legs as they are at the level of the demo figure's legs. I wonder if the police looked at that tree/bush for blood drops or broken needles?

I don't really know Bonepile. Rebecca's body would be higher up since she was only 5'3?

But they did say that Rebecca had cuts and abrasions from hitting the plants and that really makes a lot of sense to me. Either plant looks like it has prickly rough edges so as she is swinging around her backside could strike them. Then as she hang there for 3-4 hours the small amount of blood would drain down due to gravity into her groin area and her legs.

IMO

 

[curiousjo]

Adam ...will probably never get over the image he saw that day.

Totally agree. Finding a deceased person after anoxic event with blue colored face stays in your memory forever. Its shocking ..... I know, after finding a patient who suffered a pulmonary embolism at the hospital.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/rz.pdf

Page 15

I'm not sure that is a chair. It looks more like a vented laundry basket turned up on its side.

IMO

 

[arielilane]

Was AS in and out within 24 to 48 hours. Just asking?

 

[arielilane]

Bonepile,

:tyou::tyou:

You are my idol!!!

score

and the three legged table didn't even tip over!!
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

a rock star. :rocker:

 

[tiredblondy]

Totally agree. Finding a deceased person after anoxic event with blue colored face stays in your memory forever. Its shocking .....

Trust me finding a deceased person anytime never leaves your memory.

 

[arielilane]

I really see no reason to leave it undetermined when a respected ME has determined the death a suicide.

IMO

I was impressed with the ME at the "sales presentation". I thought he was highly intelligent and spoke so the layman person could understand.

 

[jjenny]

I was impressed with the ME at the "sales presentation". I thought he was highly intelligent and spoke so the layman person could understand.

And yet obviously quite a few things were never mentioned.

 

[sdcali]

Learn what exactly? That getting drunk, driving on flat-tires and hurling insults at cops will land you in jail? I already know that even though I've never been arrested or driven drunk. Ms. Bremner didn't learn this life lesson until last year. JMO

Yes, that was a serious mistake. There are a few San Diego Judges that have made the same mistake.

Mistakes aside, that doesn't mean that she doesn't have something worthwhile to hear. I've listened to what LE had to say and I am not impressed thus far, so I figure I might as well hear what Ms. Bremner has to say.

 

[curiousjo]

I'm not sure that is a chair. It looks more like a vented laundry basket turned up on its side.

IMO

No, its definately a chair - look at illustrated diagram (not photo) - there is a drawing of tipped over chair and in print states "chair and blanket".

 

[deanna82437]

Was AS in and out within 24 to 48 hours. Just asking?

I don't recall seeing anything about him .. when he left, etc. He just disappeared!

 

[i.b.nora]

All the photos are here:

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

The diagram in this photo: http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz-nebr.jpg
indicates that it is an overturned chair. No need to guess.

 

[arielilane]

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/rz.pdf

Page 15

I find it so bizarre that they do not want the "painting" viewed by the public.

 

[sdcali]

If AS was at the mansion, did he also receive a phone call about MS's change in condition? Did he go to hospital then?

If not, LE said during the PC that JS did not know if they had that type of rope at the mansion....LE said there was a 'blank' space on a shelve in the garage that they believed the rope came from.....did AS hear RN in the garage????

RN retrieved the voicemail at 12:50....the initial report of loud music was around 1 or 1:30????

AS had to hear something.......but for some reason RN gagged herself to not make any noise....

Wonder if AS took any sleep meds at night? If so, did anyone have knowledge of that fact? That might account for him not hearing anything.

 

[tiredblondy]

And yet obviously quite a few things were never mentioned.

I tend to think purposely never mentioned.

Maybe I've been here too long but the reason we are here is to question, express our opinions freely, share information and try to make sense of puzzling situations.

Maybe the LE did not realize the full level to which this case would be srutinized but I was awfully disappointed in the information released...for me, it just created more questions.

If I was Rebecca's family I'd be screaming from the rooftops and would not stop. I'd want to read every piece of info they had and why they didn''t do this and that. They are justified, in my opinion, and I totally support them.

 

[katydid23]

I wrote this last night and I'm going to say it again...the only way that note written on the door makes sense is if the author did not know that Max was not expected to make it!

As for the bleeding on the brain, it could have come from an attack of an intruder then someone who did not want to leave footprints on the balcony could have thrown her over. Someone with long legs would never have to step out there.

I really think there is so much more to this than we know and I suspect that if it was a murder then JS's family could be in danger. The paintbrush and the rope should have had fingerprints on them. Unless it was one act of revenge fueled by rage, revenge, jealousy,envy or some type of espionage I don't think we will ever know. However, they are making a mistake by not giving Rebecca's family more information!

Below is what I wrote last night and I will state again...the only way the words...She saved him, can you save her? make any sense to me is if the person writing that did not know the child was not going to make it.
They did not have the information that Rebecca did.

[my quote from last night]
Regarding the message painted on the door.."She saved him can you save her". This is my personal view on that...There is only one way it makes sense to me!

To me it sounds like a message to Jonah-
"She saved him" (Rebecca saved Maxie by doing CPR until the EMS could get his heart restarted. The person who left the note did not know Max would not make it.)

Can you save her?( almost like a taunt) Obiviously he couldn't and it was too late.

It sounds to me like a message to JS from someone who did not know Max was not going to make it. Someone who knew JS was at the hospital and would not be home.

That could be the reason the LE want to call it a suicide, because there is more here than meets the eye. It sounds to me like someone who wanted to shame, embarass and hurt JS, with no regard to Rebecca. Revenge, attack him while he's weak or down.

Rebecca's death in this way was just a method to accomplish this. It would have been easy to set her on the balcony then tip her over or throw her over.

I don't know but that is the only explanation I can see for the message.

It wasn't a message from Rebecca but from someone with a vendetta against JS. If there were a sexual assault and a murder maybe a profiler has recommended this way of drawing him out? I suspect it would make a person who had done something like this furious to think that they were saying Rebecca was responsible. They would have wanted JS to suffer and that he has but they would also want to humilate and shame him and hope he cannot function anymore.

I hope I've explained this so you can understand. I know what I mean, hope you do too.

That's my opinion only. [end of my quote]

Now let me clarify, If my theory is what happened I only have adults in mind! If the person I think is a possible perpetrator then we will never know because of JS's position...but I do think they are messing with the wrong family by not revealing more to Rebecca's family. Think about it why If my theory is true would they not be told and if they were told they would demand justice, which they deserve!

There's a lot going on here.

Has anyone heard if Jonah is going to step down from his current position?
I can't remember I've read so much about this case.

I do not think the message was about Max at all. I think it was written by RN in 3rd person, as a way to disconnect from her life, as she was about to end it all anyway. The only other female hanging suicide that I know of personally included a note, left by the teen girl. It was also written in the 3rd person, and began " Once there was a girl.."

I think she was reminding JS that she had 'saved' him. Saved him from his violent and angry prior marriage, from his lonely previous life. I am sure her young, beautiful vitality was like a life saver for him. He probably told her many times that she 'saved' him. He was in a very difficult marriage in which they called the cops on each other several times, IIRC.

So, imo, she was angry at JS for allowing DS to ban her from the hospital, to accuse her of being at fault and she was especially angry that he did not stand up for her against his ex. Then when she got that late night call, where she may have been told that Max was essentially dead, with no chance of survival, she was devastated further. I think that JS may have unloaded on her emotionally. " You were supposed to be watching him. How could you let that happen--PLEASE move out now, I cannot even stand for you to be there when I come back."

I really believe he would have said some things along those lines. So she angrily reminded him that she SAVED HIM--and then taunted him by asking IF he could save her. Obviously she knew he could not.

 

[curiousjo]

I wonder if there is any tape residue or blood on chair. Most likely not, since I would have expected LE to check that out. Maybe the rope caused the chair to fall when she jumped.