CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[jjenny]

RZ sister Snowem Howarth comments re LE and the message:

“Things they said did not match and they said they had a text message on her phone that showed that
she was very unhappy, but they didn’t even say if it was from her or from someone else, or if someone
could have put it there.”

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ca-zahau-was-murdered-not-suicide-says-sister

The sister is talking about some sort of journal that was supposedly on RN's phone. Not the voice mail message she supposedly got at 12:50 am. That's another weird things-who keeps journals on their phone?

 

[curiousjo]

Just read above Radar article,....“Time will reveal who killed Becky. I think I know who killed my sister. We are not stupid, she never had any enemies.”- Snowem Howarth ( RN sister who lives in Germany)

- I wonder who Z family thinks killed RN? Who do you guys think?

 

[Peaceful]

I tend to think purposely never mentioned.

Maybe I've been here too long but the reason we are here is to question, express our opinions freely, share information and try to make sense of puzzling situations.

Maybe the LE did not realize the full level to which this case would be srutinized but I was awfully disappointed in the information released...for me, it just created more questions.

If I was Rebecca's family I'd be screaming from the rooftops and would not stop. I'd want to read every piece of info they had and why they didn''t do this and that. They are justified, in my opinion, and I totally support them.

I can't think of any reason the family members of RZ should not be entitled to full disclosure of what has happened. They deserve answers to the many remaining questions they have. Surely being they welcomed Jonah to her funeral, they have showed no blame towards anyone & I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be supportive of their quest for clarification of what lead to the death of their lovely RZ.

 

[katydid23]

Just read above Radar article,....“Time will reveal who killed Becky. I think I know who killed my sister. We are not stupid, she never had any enemies.”- Snowem Howarth ( RN sister who lives in Germany)

- I wonder who Z family thinks killed RN? Who do you guys think?

I think they suspect DS had something to do with it. imoo

 

[snapdragon2]

Forgive me if this has already been remarked upon, but did anyone else notice that there appears to be red rope also hanging from the door knob of the door on which the message was painted?

http://sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/door.jpg

Is it possible she tried or was going to try hanging from a door knob, under the sign she painted? Could the overturned chair also have something to do with another attempt? Was the plastic bag holding the items, or did she maybe think she might asphyxiate herself at one point and change her mind? It looks like there is paint on it so maybe it was handled after she painted the message. My first thought when I saw the two knives was that she tried cutting with the small one and it didn't work so well so she went and got a bigger one.

This is, of course, speculation based on an assumption that it might have in fact been suicide.

The only way a woman would commit suicide in such a violent, in-your-face, grotesque manner would be if she was trying to punish - either herself, someone else (I'm thinking JS) or, most likely, both. You'd have to have a lot of self-loathing and hatred to do it this way. But I don't think that's impossible. Think of cutters, for example. It is also not inconceivable that she was hiding a lot of inner demons. The message does seem like a sort of taunt, probably to JS as well - could that be why they blanked it out, because he knew it was directed at him? Perhaps he gave the authorities information that might have provided some explanation for her actions & the message that satisfied them but would be embarrassing to him (and her.) The only sense I can make of it would be that it was a sort of giant F. You to him.

Was she a perfectionist, hard on herself? Did she keep things inside? Although she could conceivably have hidden demons, she would still leave some clues that in retrospect would show she might be capable of this. They absolutely need a forensic psychiatrist to look into this, because if they can't make sense of someone like her doing this in this manner, that's a problem.

Everything I read about this made me think it was very, very fishy. But I have to say, looking at the pictures (and I'm kind of appalled that there's a photo of her, by the way, what's that all about) I just have this gut feeling she did commit suicide. HOWEVER that doesn't mean I'm convinced, and they definitely need to look further or provide more information.

I have to say, I was frustrated at first that the message was covered, but when I found out what it said, I kind of wished I didn't know. It's so cryptic - I find it really creepy and disturbing. Either way - suicide or murder - this is creepy and disturbing.

I'm sorry for the family and I'm sorry that such a lovely woman met such a terrible end. I hope they find out the truth and that she will rest in peace.

 

[jjenny]

The rope isn't tied to the door. It appears to be going past the door toward the balcony. There is a photo from another angle and the rope is nowhere near the door.

 

[sdcali]

I bet she had the best - most likely iPhone or Droid. Read that it was a new phone. Maybe her AZ phone did not get good reception in CA, so she needed a phone that worked better. Must be one with texting capabilities if she really had a diary on the phone. That is another odd part of this story. Who has a diary on their phone? And there is something about the LE not being able to determine when diary started - why not?


In regards to Z family attorney- I would expect what she says is the truth. We know that JS machine has been trying to control media. So, this new attorney may be telling us the truth, but it is contradictory to prior incorrect stories fed to the media by PR firm. RN sister still alive, so she knows who was present when MS fell, so that truth will come out.

Many smartphones have "word applications". There are also "apps" for journaling and diaries. However, as someone who has kept a journal, the dates are important.

Was the phone new to the market or new to RN?

 

[MyBelle]

I can't think of any reason the family members of RZ should not be entitled to full disclosure of what has happened. They deserve answers to the many remaining questions they have. Surely being they welcomed Jonah to her funeral, they have showed no blame towards anyone & I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be supportive of their quest for clarification of what lead to the death of their lovely RZ.

The family has shown plenty of blame, imo. They and their attorney have asked for an investigation of Max's family, have implicated his siblings, implicated his parents and uncle, accused LE and the ME of not doing a complete investigation and refuse to accept the conclusions even of Max's death. That's a pretty wide net of blame they've cast in their quest for clarification.

LE said they did meet with the family and tried to answer their questions. Apparently the family did not like the answers. Not much more LE will want to do after all the accusations being slinged their way.

JMO

 

[curiousjo]

Well, I think they said phone new to RN. Since everyone has a Droid or iPhone these days, then I would expect she would chose the same. And yes, there are tons of apps out there! So, I am sure there is are several journal/ diary apps, and dates are important. For that reason, it is odd that LE can't deteremine who or when data entered.

 

[sdcali]

IMO

Once we can discover who the "she", "he", "her" and "you" are in the message on the door, the message may be deciphered and can discover who the author is.

I asked earlier, whose room the death took place in. Why deface that room? Was the message to the occupant or about the occupant or neither.

The message may not make sense to us. But to someone, it hits home. The person responsible for the death of RN was speaking directly to someone. IMO

 

[curiousjo]

The family has shown plenty of blame, imo. They and their attorney have asked for an investigation of Max's family, have implicated his siblings, implicated his parents and uncle, accused LE and the ME of not doing a complete investigation and refuse to accept the conclusions even of Max's death. That's a pretty wide net of blame they've cast in their quest for clarification.

LE said they did meet with the family and tried to answer their questions. Apparently the family did not like the answers. Not much more LE will want to do after all the accusations being slinged their way.

JMO

If this was your sibling or child, then I bet you would want all questions answered and truths be told. Its was obvious today, that there are many unanswered questions. In accord to one of RN sisters, the LE only met with the family a couple days before LE briefing. The family was shocked by their conclusions and are in disbelief. A renound pathologist is on record stating this case is still controversial and may not be suicide. JS hired a PR firm to control the media - so, what comes around - goes around.

 

[CalElliot]

Who has a diary on their phone? And there is something about the LE not being able to determine when diary started - why not?

I have no idea what a "phone journal" is.

Seems unlikely that RZ would keep one of three woe-is-me pages.

I could imagine someone keeping notes on a phone if they were afraid of something...as a kind of record.

 

[MyBelle]

IMO

Once we can discover who the "she", "he", "her" and "you" are in the message on the door, the message may be deciphered and can discover who the author is.

I asked earlier, whose room the death took place in. Why deface that room? Was the message to the occupant or about the occupant or neither.

The message may not make sense to us. But to someone, it hits home. The person responsible for the death of RN was speaking directly to someone. IMO

LE described the room as a guest bedroom.

 

[CalElliot]

The sister is talking about some sort of journal that was supposedly on RN's phone. Not the voice mail message she supposedly got at 12:50 am.

I'm not so sure that's the case. She could be referring either or both.

 

[jjenny]

If this was your sibling or child, then I bet you would want all questions answered and truths be told. Its was obvious today, that there are many unanswered questions. In accord to one of RN sisters, the LE only met with the family a couple days before LE briefing. The family was shocked by their conclusions and are in disbelief. A renound pathologist is on record stating this case is still controversial and may not be suicide. JS hired a PR firm to control the media - so, what comes around - goes around.

I think it would be hard for any family to believe that a woman who did not have history of mental illness or suicide attempts, not only killed herself but did it in such a bizarre way. So not surprisingly family wants the answers.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not so sure that's the case. She could be referring either or both.

The lawyer for the family says the message that went to voicemail was erased. It also was a message from someone to RN so it would not show RN was very unhappy.

 

[MyBelle]

If this was your sibling or child, then I bet you would want all questions answered and truths be told. Its was obvious today, that there are many unanswered questions. In accord to one of RN sisters, the LE only met with the family a couple days before LE briefing. The family was shocked by their conclusions and are in disbelief. A renound pathologist is on record stating this case is still controversial and may not be suicide. JS hired a PR firm to control the media - so, what comes around - goes around.

I understand the family doesn't like the answers they got and are upset but it is what it is. The press conference was controlled by LE, not a PR firm. Reporters heard it first hand, not from a PR firm.

JMO

 

[Peaceful]

The family has shown plenty of blame, imo. They and their attorney have asked for an investigation of Max's family, have implicated his siblings, implicated his parents and uncle, accused LE and the ME of not doing a complete investigation and refuse to accept the conclusions even of Max's death. That's a pretty wide net of blame they've cast in their quest for clarification.

LE said they did meet with the family and tried to answer their questions. Apparently the family did not like the answers. Not much more LE will want to do after all the accusations being slinged their way.

JMO

Really? so is what you're saying is that the family found the "determination" of the LE to make no sense so their request of a review of all stories & scenarios to get a full story is such an insult to the half rate investigation and answers provided, that the investigators surely wouldn't and shouldn't be responsible for answering questions about all the information they. conveniently omitted from their PC?

 

[MyBelle]

Really? so is what you're saying is that the family found the "determination" of the LE to make no sense so their request of a review of all stories & scenarios to get a full story is such an insult to the half rate investigation and answers provided, that the investigators surely wouldn't and shouldn't be responsible for answering questions about all the information they. conveniently omitted from their PC?

I never said it was a "half rate investigation." I'm very supportive of the ME and LE and accept their determination and ruling.

 

[justice be served]

I understand the family doesn't like the answers they got and are upset but it is what it is. The press conference was controlled by LE, not a PR firm. Reporters heard it first hand, not from a PR firm.

JMO

Actually, the PR firm that was hired by Shacknai and Co. is also the PR firm for San Diego Sheriff's Office. There was a post way back that showed that fact. Also, the last item on the Sheriff's website of the press conference was Jonah's statement which another poster confirmed to be written by the PR firm individual.

I am relying on my memory of these postings, and, frankly, out of 9 threads these postings are getting rather arduous to track. I dispute the bolded statement above and sadly so. Do I think San Diego LE is being bought? Absolutely not. I simply think that hiring a PR firm to snuff and puff things has backfired in a big way.