CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[MyBelle]

Actually, the PR firm that was hired by Shacknai and Co. is also the PR firm for San Diego Sheriff's Office. There was a post way back that showed that fact. Also, the last item on the Sheriff's website of the press conference was Jonah's statement which another poster confirmed to be written by the PR firm individual.

I am relying on my memory of these postings, and, frankly, out of 9 threads these postings are getting rather arduous to track. I dispute the bolded statement above and sadly so. Do I think San Diego LE is being bought? Absolutely not. I simply think that hiring a PR firm to snuff and puff things has backfired in a big way.

I don't believe the ME is allowing a PR firm to dictate his findings. I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening. Too many other LE agencies were involved.

JMO

 

[curiousjo]

The lawyer for the family says the message that went to voicemail was erased. It also was a message from someone to RN so it would not show RN was very unhappy.

I think JS admitted to leaving the message, saying MS condition had worsened. Maybe RN deleted it after listening to it, or someone else did. Have to wonder why she didn't call him back. If she could have neutralized things with JS, then she wouldn't have to commit suicide.... She had the phone in the room as she set things up, so you would think she wanted to keep in touch. You do have to wonder if it was not a nice message and JS deleted it when body found - as would make him suspect or appear to be a jerk. In accord to prior wives x2, he had a temper and this would certainly upset anyone. However, that is only speculation since anyone at the home could have deleted it. The LE would most certainly have asked the main players for their phone records and determined who called who and where they were located throughout the night based on pings. One odd thing- most phones will let you recall erased messages - so, if her phone had that option and someone took the time to delete that, then it may be suggestive of malice.

The phone journal is part of the latest smart phone capabilities that act like a phone, camera and home computer. People get very attached to these phones and carry them everywhere - to the bathroom, to bed... - so they tell a lot about the owner. The mobile phone owner can go the App (application) Store and select 425,000 apps dealing with anything from games (ex Angry Birds), music, weather, facebook, daily journal, etc. You name it, and its there. So, she must have had some type of journal/diary app that had some sort of comment that had been typed in - about being upset. But, the LE can't figure out the dates, or who entered the data. Just plain odd.

 

[CalElliot]

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/on-air/a...stery_Flawed__Family_San_Diego-129185438.html

Note on door as per above (no "YOU" in there).

Alleged phone message was from Jonah Shacknai, but deleted; LE based the existence of it and its contents purely on what JS said. Message is HEARSAY.

I wonder if Zahau family regret having JS in attendance at RZ's funeral?

 

[Peaceful]

Just read above Radar article,....“Time will reveal who killed Becky. I think I know who killed my sister. We are not stupid, she never had any enemies.”- Snowem Howarth ( RN sister who lives in Germany)

- I wonder who Z family thinks killed RN? Who do you guys think?

I'm guessing AS or DS. but I also think this could not have been covered up so deeply without the assistance of JS. only he has the financial means & connections to try & sweep this under the rug. IMO

 

[justice be served]

I don't believe the ME is allowing a PR firm to dictate his findings. I'm sorry but I just don't see it happening. Too many other LE agencies were involved.

JMO

I actually agree with you that a PR firm is not dictating LE's findings! I am, though, more than keenly aware what goes on in a hierarchial setting whereby there are pressures from the top to display a tone that is pallatable or encouraged for the public sensibilities and that those down-the-line employees are expected to do so in accordance with the upper management. I also know how PR firms work to do their magic. IMO that's what we've seen in this case.

 

[MyBelle]

I actually agree with you that a PR firm is not dictating LE's findings! I am, though, more than keenly aware what goes on in a hierarchial setting whereby there are pressures from the top to display a tone that is pallatable or encouraged for the public sensibilities and that those down-the-line employees are expected to do so in accordance with the upper management. I also know how PR firms work to do their magic. IMO that's what we've seen in this case.

We haven't seen the PR firm dictate to LE or the ME in Rebecca's death or Max's. At least I haven't. I doubt LE shared anything about the investigation with the PR firm above and beyond what was presented at the PC. I think it would be extremely unethical for them to do so.

I think the PR firm is doing the job they were hired to do, and that is to protect the character and reputation of JS and his company and monitor what is said and by whom.

 

[Peaceful]

Two days ago, I expected to watch the press conference, listen to the reports and conclusions of the investigation, and to come away understanding with a certain degree of satisfaction as to what happened.

Unfortunately, the PC left me with more questions than answers.

Then, I learned that Rebecca was found with the blue tee shirt stuffed in her mouth.

Then there is this from the autopsy report:
"On the right superior parietal scalp there is a 2 x 1 inch subgaleal hemorrhage. On the right lateral frontal scalp there are two subgaleal hemorrhages measuring 3/4 x 1/2 inch and 1/2 x 1/4 inch. On the right lateral frontotemporal scalp, there is a 3/8 inch diameter subgaleal hemorrhage."

IMO, it sounds as if she was beaten about the head with a blunt instrument before she died.?

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities that she may have been beaten unconscious (but still alive) before being hurled off the balcony, bound and gagged, to hang until she was dead.
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I'm still wondering why her legs were bent @ the knees when she was found.

I'm still wondering about the loud music the neighbors said they heard at about 1:00 - 1:30 a.m. the night/morning she died.

I'm wondering why none of this information was addressed in the PC.

I understand why Rebecca's family has not accepted the determination of suicide. If it were my loved one, and the same circumstances I listed above were present, I wouldn't accept suicide, either, unless these circumstances could be explained to my satisfaction.

I would want more than a slide show presentation. I would want answers.

Very well presented! I couldn't agree more and would consider anyone who objects to this to be either callous or suspect.

 

[Steely Dan]

I think they suspect DS had something to do with it. imoo

I'm leaning that way myself.

I think JS admitted to leaving the message, saying MS condition had worsened. Maybe RN deleted it after listening to it, or someone else did. Have to wonder why she didn't call him back. If she could have neutralized things with JS, then she wouldn't have to commit suicide.... She had the phone in the room as she set things up, so you would think she wanted to keep in touch. You do have to wonder if it was not a nice message and JS deleted it when body found - as would make him suspect or appear to be a jerk. In accord to prior wives x2, he had a temper and this would certainly upset anyone. However, that is only speculation since anyone at the home could have deleted it. The LE would most certainly have asked the main players for their phone records and determined who called who and where they were located throughout the night based on pings. One odd thing- most phones will let you recall erased messages - so, if her phone had that option and someone took the time to delete that, then it may be suggestive of malice.

The phone journal is part of the latest smart phone capabilities that act like a phone, camera and home computer. People get very attached to these phones and carry them everywhere - to the bathroom, to bed... - so they tell a lot about the owner. The mobile phone owner can go the App (application) Store and select 425,000 apps dealing with anything from games (ex Angry Birds), music, weather, facebook, daily journal, etc. You name it, and its there. So, she must have had some type of journal/diary app that had some sort of comment that had been typed in - about being upset. But, the LE can't figure out the dates, or who entered the data. Just plain odd.

This isn't aimed at you. A lot of people are wondering who erased the message. Am I the only one who deletes messages after listening to them? Was this a text and did she save all of her other texts? Did the message come in after she was dead and then erased?

 

[curiousjo]

You know its late - why not agree to disagree with everyone on hear and just relax. Its Labor Day. Time for Holiday relaxation!!!!!!!!!

 

[MyBelle]

I'm leaning that way myself.



This isn't aimed at you. A lot of people are wondering who erased the message. Am I the only one who deletes messages after listening to them? Was this a text and did she save all of her other texts? Did the message come in after she was dead and then erased?

I doubt that mesage will ever be recovered but I also doubt it was JS who erased it from the phone. I don't believe he was ever at the house that night. After RN's body was discovered, there was crime scene tape around the house and I think it is unlikely he was allowed inside that room or anywhere near any item found in it.

JMO

 

[Sharyne]

Actually, the PR firm that was hired by Shacknai and Co. is also the PR firm for San Diego Sheriff's Office. There was a post way back that showed that fact. Also, the last item on the Sheriff's website of the press conference was Jonah's statement which another poster confirmed to be written by the PR firm individual.

I am relying on my memory of these postings, and, frankly, out of 9 threads these postings are getting rather arduous to track. I dispute the bolded statement above and sadly so. Do I think San Diego LE is being bought? Absolutely not. I simply think that hiring a PR firm to snuff and puff things has backfired in a big way.

Here is a link to the PR firm client list:http://sitrick.com/practice/client-list
San Diego (County of)

I have been following a few trials for many years now. My very first one shocked me, when I found out that various pieces of evidence could not be used during the trial due to "prejudice". At first I didn't fully understand the reason. Then, later, I accepted the idea. However, today I now feel that since EVERYTHING can be seen and judged with 2 opposing perspectives, I feel like everything should be brought forth and that in the end, the truth will win out, maybe not right away, but eventually.

At this point and time, since LE's PC didn't convince more people, I think it would be good to have another with Zahau's atty being able to ask questions and get all the facts IN PUBLIC, so nothing is hid or disguised. Kinda like the old OLD show Dragnet - just the facts ma'am.

 

[justice be served]

Originally Posted by justice be served
I actually agree with you that a PR firm is not dictating LE's findings! I am, though, more than keenly aware what goes on in a hierarchial setting whereby there are pressures from the top to display a tone that is pallatable or encouraged for the public sensibilities and that those down-the-line employees are expected to do so in accordance with the upper management. I also know how PR firms work to do their magic. IMO that's what we've seen in this case

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Originally Posted by MyBelle
We haven't seen the PR firm dictate to LE or the ME in Rebecca's death or Max's. At least I haven't. I doubt LE shared anything about the investigation with the PR firm above and beyond what was presented at the PC. I think it would be extremely unethical for them to do so.

I think the PR firm is doing the job they were hired to do, and that is to protect the character and reputation of JS and his company and monitor what is said and by whom.

Justice Be Served
I multiquoted my original post and your answer for a reason. I have bolded my quote and your response. How could I be more clear than saying I, too, don't believe the PR firm is dictating LE responses? Of course that isn't the case. The PRESENTING of this information is what I am talking about as the PR firm works for both Shacknai and Sheriff. That's all - and the presentation is everything.

 

[curiousjo]

I'm leaning that way myself.



This isn't aimed at you. A lot of people are wondering who erased the message. Am I the only one who deletes messages after listening to them? Was this a text and did she save all of her other texts? Did the message come in after she was dead and then erased?

I often delete messages too. Sometimes I don't mean to, but just do it automatically. However .....Many phones have a backup option, where if you delete a message.... you can go back in and retrieve it. (My phone happens to have that option). Sooooo, if her phone has that option and someone took the time to erase that back up deleted message - then malice or coverup involved - maybe just to cover up a mean message. If you know someones password, then you can access their phone from anywhere. You do not hae to physically be present and manually delete the message. In this case, you can call into the persons phone, access their messages and even write in the diary..... I don't know the politics in Coronado, but most politics are dirty and people can be bought. Always possible the message was terrible and would ruin them or their business if got out, that someone deleted the message and looked the other way.

You have to wonder why she never answered the call - simply missed the call or something else happening at the home. She could not have been dead, if it was her that checked the message at 1250. However, she could have been dead if someone else checked the message... I believe JS confirmed the call came from him, regarding MS taking turn for worse. Someone checked RN Voicemail at 1250. IF RN was the person checking the voicemail, then why didn't she call JS back.... Her phone was right there, so seemed like she wanted to stay in touch. So, does it mean that someone else checked the call and deleted it.

 

[katydid23]

I'm leaning that way myself.



This isn't aimed at you. A lot of people are wondering who erased the message. Am I the only one who deletes messages after listening to them? Was this a text and did she save all of her other texts? Did the message come in after she was dead and then erased?

It was not a text,it was reportedly a voice message. It was deleted. I delete 90% of the messages I listen to as well. I only keep them if someone gives me important info that I don't have time to write down somewhere else.

If someone called me with horribly bad news then I might delete it too.

It is odd that she did not pick up the phone when he first called. The only reason I think she wouldn't is if she already knew what he was going to say. It makes me wonder if Adam the brother might have already been told the horrible news and told her about it already. Otherwise I would think she would be just sitting by the phone waiting to hear from the hospital.

But let's say Adam had just come back from there, and heard DS ranting about banning RN from visiting Max. And he also knew that JS was very angry that his son was dying after the horrible accident. He may have told RN about this when he came back to the mansion. imoo

 

[MyBelle]

I actually agree with you that a PR firm is not dictating LE's findings! I am, though, more than keenly aware what goes on in a hierarchial setting whereby there are pressures from the top to display a tone that is pallatable or encouraged for the public sensibilities and that those down-the-line employees are expected to do so in accordance with the upper management. I also know how PR firms work to do their magic. IMO that's what we've seen in this case.

Originally Posted by MyBelle
We haven't seen the PR firm dictate to LE or the ME in Rebecca's death or Max's. At least I haven't. I doubt LE shared anything about the investigation with the PR firm above and beyond what was presented at the PC. I think it would be extremely unethical for them to do so.

I think the PR firm is doing the job they were hired to do, and that is to protect the character and reputation of JS and his company and monitor what is said and by whom.

I multiquoted my original post and your answer for a reason. I have bolded my quote and your response. How could I be more clear than saying I, too, don't believe the PR firm is dictating LE responses? Of course that isn't the case. The PRESENTING of this information is what I am talking about as the PR firm works for both Shacknai and Sheriff. That's all - and the presentation is everything.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I think content is far more important than how it was presented. Content isn't something the PR firm would touch.

JMO

 

[justice be served]

You know its late - why not agree to disagree with everyone on hear and just relax. Its Labor Day. Time for Holiday relaxation!!!!!!!!!

Good call!!! Goodnite all.:truce::truce:

 

[katydid23]

You know its late - why not agree to disagree with everyone on hear and just relax. Its Labor Day. Time for Holiday relaxation!!!!!!!!!

:cautionDrunk:arty::woot::fireworks:

 

[tvscum]

The message as typed in the autopsy was: "She Saved Him Can You Save Her."
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

The message as reported to the media by word of mouth from the sister/ex-husband/attorney Bremner was: "She saved him. Can he save her?"
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/02/dna-led-to-suicide-ruling-in-calif-mansion-death/

(I tend to believe the autopsy report wording of the message).


RZ had four head injuries. I do not believe she would have hit her head four times in different areas of the scalp while rolling off the balcony and/or swinging.
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/autopsy-rebecca-zahau-found-gagged-with-t-shirt-in-mouth

The "framed object" taken out of the house was actually the bedroom door wrapped in plastic by LE before removal from the mansion.

 

[MyBelle]

It was not a text,it was reportedly a voice message. It was deleted. I delete 90% of the messages I listen to as well. I only keep them if someone gives me important info that I don't have time to write down somewhere else.

If someone called me with horribly bad news then I might delete it too.

It is odd that she did not pick up the phone when he first called. The only reason I think she wouldn't is if she already knew what he was going to say. It makes me wonder if Adam the brother might have already been told the horrible news and told her about it already. Otherwise I would think she would be just sitting by the phone waiting to hear from the hospital.

But let's say Adam had just come back from there, and heard DS ranting about banning RN from visiting Max. And he also knew that JS was very angry that his son was dying after the horrible accident. He may have told RN about this when he came back to the mansion. imoo

Do we know for sure that AS came back to the house that night? Even if he did, it is very possible that your theory is accurate. But I sure don't see DS leaving that hospital for any reason or even giving a thought to RN at that point in time. Keeping a death vigil for your own child has to be one of the most gut-wrenching, consuming, totally exhausting acts a parent can do.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

I often delete messages too. Sometimes I don't mean to, but just do it automatically. However .....Many phones have a backup option, where if you delete a message.... you can go back in and retrieve it. (My phone happens to have that option). Sooooo, if her phone has that option and someone took the time to erase that back up deleted message - then malice or coverup involved - maybe just to cover up a mean message. If you know someones password, then you can access their phone from anywhere. You do not hae to physically be present and manually delete the message. In this case, you can call into the persons phone, access their messages and even write in the diary..... I don't know the politics in Coronado, but most politics are dirty and people can be bought. Always possible the message was terrible and would ruin them or their business if got out, that someone deleted the message and looked the other way.

You have to wonder why she never answered the call - was she already dead or simply missed the call or something else happening at the home. I believe JS confirmed last call he made was regarding MS taking turn for worse. Someone checked RN Voicemail at 1250. IF RN was the person checking the voicemail, then why didn't she call JS back.... Her phone was right there, so seemed like she wanted to stay in touch.

IF he called and left a very angry message, one in which he blamed her for the accident and asked her to please move out of his house, immediately, then I doubt she would return the call. imoo