CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[oceanblueeyes]

If that were true, psychological autopsy wouldn't be a standard procedure in bizarre suicide cases, which LE here decided not to do for whatever reason. As I recall the LE was also going to do re-enactment in the mansion itself and then decided not to do that either.

How do we know they did not do a psychological evaluation/autopsy on Rebecca?

IMO

 

[elementry]

LE said they did meet with the family and tried to answer their questions. Apparently the family did not like the answers. Not much more LE will want to do after all the accusations being slinged their way.

JMO

LE didn't want to do any more before the "accusations" too. No, one way or the other, LE will have to be prodded, if not compelled, to lift another finger in effort for this matter. Unless JS has a request; then they'll likely be right on it!

 

[jjenny]

How do we know they did not do a psychological evaluation/autopsy on Rebecca?

IMO

The family's lawyer stated they didn't.

 

[katydid23]

It is strange and unusual. Especially outside. Most naked suicides occur indoors.

It was outside, but it was in a private backyard. And from a bedroom balcony. So not the same thing as outside in the public view.

 

[elementry]

Thank you.

I really don't know about the music, elementry. Was that ever confirmed?

I have read in articles that those contemplating suicide will play music right before they commit the act.

Why they do so... I don't know... unless they feel some kind of peace knowing that they have made up their minds to ease their pain and want to enjoy listening to music before they do it.

Just guessing though.

If the reports were correct, the music was quite loud if heard on the street or by neighbors. The specific genre of music could give a clue as to who or what type of person might have put it on. Was it some of RN's favorite music? Did LE check the stereos in the house in their investigation of this rumor? This is yet another element that LE saw fit NOT to account for. At the least, if it was not so that loud music was witnessed, then they should say so.

 

[scorekeeper]

"I asked them about a psychological autopsy and the detectives said they thought about it, but decided not to do it," Anne Bremner told FOX 5 News Sunday.

Forensic psychiatrist Dr. Steven Ornish said a forensic or psychological autopsy is standard practice when there is controversy regarding the manner of death in a case.
"A physical autopsy will tell you what the cause of death is, but a psychological autopsy will tell you in more detail whether it was a suicide, what the person's frame of mind was and what they were thinking at the time," said Dr. Ornish. "It really helps to better understand the frame of mind of someone and by better understanding that, one can better understand the cause of death."

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-zahau-forensic-autopsy,0,6597511.story

I thought LE said they were doing a psychological autopsy. Did they consider her conversation with someone six months ago, while finalizing her divorce, the psych autopsy??????

How do we know they did not do a psychological evaluation/autopsy on Rebecca?

IMO

To answer your question, ocean......posted a couple pages back......

 

[jjenny]

It was outside, but it was in a private backyard. And from a bedroom balcony. So not the same thing as outside in the public view.

We got the photos of the body. Neighboring teenagers found a way to see the body as well. All those houses are so close. So the body was in public view.

 

[elementry]

I understand the family doesn't like the answers they got and are upset but it is what it is. The press conference was controlled by LE, not a PR firm. Reporters heard it first hand, not from a PR firm.

JMO

Just curious: if it was your daughter, you'd be entirely satisfied with this investigation?

 

[katydid23]

The family's lawyer stated they didn't.

The family lawyer also said that the S siblings were present during the accident and it was a planking incident, when no one can apparently verify those statements.

The family attorney lost my respect when she made erroneous and deceitful statements as the mouthpiece for the Casey Anthony defense team as well.

 

[elementry]

Actually, the PR firm that was hired by Shacknai and Co. is also the PR firm for San Diego Sheriff's Office. There was a post way back that showed that fact. Also, the last item on the Sheriff's website of the press conference was Jonah's statement which another poster confirmed to be written by the PR firm individual.

I am relying on my memory of these postings, and, frankly, out of 9 threads these postings are getting rather arduous to track. I dispute the bolded statement above and sadly so. Do I think San Diego LE is being bought? Absolutely not. I simply think that hiring a PR firm to snuff and puff things has backfired in a big way.

If it was my link to the Sitrick client list, it stated "San Diego (County of)". Would the Sheriff's office, PD, Coronado PD, ME be included under that rubric? And from what's been bandied about regarding SD LE's reputed penchant for spotty or questionable work, perhaps they might need some PR assistance from time to time......

 

[Morag]

Indeed? Then how did AS enter the house (to get a knife)? He either forced the door, or else it was unlocked. I suppose he could have had a key to both the guest house and to the main house...

Answering my own post:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/...ed-with-t-shirt-in-mouth?clienttype=printable

"Adam ran into the main house to get a knife, pulled a nearby wooden table to the decedent's body, stood on top, cut the rope and laid the decedent's naked body on the grass," the report continued. "He removed a blue cloth which had been in her mouth in an effort to perform CPR and at 0648 hours, placed a 9-1-1 call to request assistance."

So it would seem that the house was probably unlocked- if there is no sign of a break in.

 

[katydid23]

We got the photos of the body. Neighboring teenagers found a way to see the body as well. All those houses are so close. So the body was in public view.

I think of my backyard, and my master bedroom balcony as my private property. I do not always consider that my neighbors across the street can likely see me if I hang myself there some night. I still consider it private property in my mind, as RN might have felt the same way about their backyard.

 

[jjenny]

Answering my own post:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15388199/...ed-with-t-shirt-in-mouth?clienttype=printable

"Adam ran into the main house to get a knife, pulled a nearby wooden table to the decedent's body, stood on top, cut the rope and laid the decedent's naked body on the grass," the report continued. "He removed a blue cloth which had been in her mouth in an effort to perform CPR and at 0648 hours, placed a 9-1-1 call to request assistance."

So it would seem that the house was probably unlocked- if there is no sign of a break in.

When did the leg of the table break? Before or after he used it to cut the rope? If it were already broken how could he stand on it to cut the rope? If it broke as he attempted to do it wouldn't he and the body come crashing down?

 

[justice be served]

I can not imagine why she'd call for AS to come to Coronado if JS didn't ask AS to come. AS is JS's brother, not RN's. By the way I am curious-if JS called RN and left a message about Max's worsening condition, would he not also call AS with that same message? After all AS appears to have come to support JS because the child had an accident.

My theory is that RN and AS were very close and that she called AS to come after Max's accident.

 

[time]

I wonder, too, how long LE had to study how RN's hands were bound to duplicate the binding and if the person doing it in the video was being coached instructions to aid in the demonstation? How many times did it take? IMO, a better test would be to ask someone with the same knowledge of ropes/knots/etc that RN had, to bind and tie their wrists behind their back and see what they come up (taking into consideration,too, the exposure they have had to the case in the media and that RN had no such exposure at the time of her death). It would be an interesting scenario.

YES! All the demo proved is that it was possible to disect the knots and have someone recreate them. All they proved is someone could do it who already knows and is probably coached on how to construct the knot - big deal! It could be done by the person with the knots on them. They didn't tell us how many tries or how long or how many times it was videotaped for that matter. It doesn't tell us if Rebecca could have come up with that. I find the knots not believable at face value in a suicide, but then thinking she did it it front so she could remove one hand and put it behind her back then reinsert it ridiculous at best.

 

[katydid23]

My theory is that RN and AS were very close and that she called AS to come after Max's accident.

If so, then the story AS tells does not make any sense. He says he last saw her at 8 pm. Why would he sit out in the guest house all alone while they were both going through such grief ? I would think they would have huddled together for support if they were actually close friends.

The only reason his story made sense was that I assumed they did not know each other well.

 

[scorekeeper]

When did the leg of the table break? Before or after he used it to cut the rope? If it were already broken how could he stand on it to cut the rope? If it broke as he attempted to do it wouldn't he and the body come crashing down?

ahhhhh, the broken table leg......another unanswered question but a very important one missed by the dog and pony show....

 

[jjenny]

My theory is that RN and AS were very close and that she called AS to come after Max's accident.

I doubt she would be able to do anything without JS's permission. But do we have any evidence RN and AS actually knew each other well? Was AS close with JS and did they meet regularly?

 

[justice be served]

If so, then the story AS tells does not make any sense. He says he last saw her at 8 pm. Why would he sit out in the guest house all alone while they were both going through such grief ? I would think they would have huddled together for support if they were actually close friends.

The only reason his story made sense was that I assumed they did not know each other well.

Where did AS tell that story again? Was that mentioned in the press conference? Sorry, these threads are just so long and I can't keep up.

 

[justice be served]

I doubt she would be able to do anything without JS's permission. But do we have any evidence RN and AS actually knew each other well? Was AS close with JS and did they meet regularly?

The only "evidence" that RN and AS were close is that comment is making its rounds in Phoenix.