CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[i.b.nora]

"She didn't have any guilt about Max and in fact she said that to her family."

Said by Bremner on JVM

Really? She did not feel ANY guilt that this child flew off the second floor balcony while she was the adult in charge of him? Maybe it was not her 'fault', but no pangs of guilt?

Do you have a link to a transcript for that Bremner quote on JVM?
I would like to see exactly the context of the quote.

 

[katydid23]

Wow, I didn't get that accusation at all.

Saying someone is there, is not accusing them of a crime.

Saying someone is there, when that someone was already said not to be there, and adding to it the claim that the accident was from a planking incident, adding it all together equals the implication that the older siblings were involved. And I did not say anything about a crime, just an implication they were there and planking was the trigger of the accident.

Otherwise why even raise the issue of them being present or not? The case has been ruled an accident, no blame on anyone. And suddenly Bremner is coming on national television to place the siblings in the home at the time and to change the scenario of the accident. For what purpose if not to imply they were involved?

 

[katydid23]

Do you have a link to a transcript for that Bremner quote on JVM?
I would like to see exactly the context of the quote.

I am listening to it on HLN right now. I wrote it down right when Bremner said it. I do not know if the trsnscript is on their website yet but I assume this is a repeat since today is a holiday.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why does Rebecca`s family believe -- why does Rebecca`s family believe she did not commit suicide?

BREMNER: Well, let me count the ways, Jane, I mean, starting with it doesn`t pass the smell test like you`ve said.

But No. 1 is, you know, I`ve researched this. There`s no case in the history of the world of a woman killing herself this way. There`s a handful of cases with men. I won`t go into the detail other than when you bind your own hands and your feet, it`s usually someone that tried to kill themselves before and didn`t want to stop themselves.

OK, that stated, she had no history of depression, no psychological problems, no suicidal ideation. She was fine. One of her sisters talked to her that night, and she was completely fine. She didn`t have guilt about Max. And in fact, she had said that. Her religious beliefs, she would think -- she thought she`d go to hell if she committed suicide, if anybody did.
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/02/ijvm.01.html

 

[katydid23]

Also, how is saying that JS minor child or children were there, equate to saying they are guilty of anything? Sorry, but I don't see where that is even where the statements are going.

Then what is the point of making that claim on national tv? Who cares if they are there or not then? Why come on tv and make that statement if there is no reason behind it to do so?

 

[jjenny]

Then what is the point of making that claim on national tv? Who cares if they are there or not then? Why come on tv and make that statement if there is no reason behind it to do so?

Who cares? Well I do. LE says only RN and her little sister were in the home when six year old had an accident. And I would like to know if that is in fact correct.

 

[Theforeigner]

I began reading this forum at the start of Rebecca's thread. I would like to see the thread names changed to Rebecca Zahau in respect towards her memory.

This is one of the most tragic stories I've come across in my life. I believe that both deaths were tragedies beyond intention. Not all things in life have a direct cause and effect. Unintended consequences arise from our actions all the time.

I think Max was running down the hall with Ocean to his left. As he turned to go down the stairs Ocean continued to run straight and Max tripped over the railing. The scooter was most likely at the foot of the stairs and fell over as Max came tumbling down with the chandelier. Jonah asked that Ocean be boarded up and all the kids were whisked away from Rebecca.

I believe that the message Rebecca painted on the door had to do with Max. She knew she would not be walking out of that room ever again. She painted it with her right hand and also placed her right hand on the door in a moment of contemplation. I don't think it was an accident that she did this in the 'guest' room. I'll get back to that later. She painted the message to strengthen her resolve rather than write something on paper that she could easily throw away.

'She saved him' - I think that she did what she could do after the fall to 'save' Max. The first part of the message was written to Jonah and Dina. They both blamed Rebecca as part of the natural grieving process. This was very hard on her. Not being able to see Max in the hospital was even harder. I think Jonah and Dina made the call to take Max off life-support a decision that Rebecca would have never made due to her religious beliefs.

'Will he save her' - The second part of the message was to Max, to his soul. It has been said many times that she believed she would go to hell if she took her own life. She was asking Max to save her own soul.

The ropes... It's clear to me that Rebecca had experience with ropes. With no disrespect, I think she shared this experience with Jonah in a very intimate way. It's quite possible that she was submissive towards him and they both enjoyed a healthy intimacy this way. This is why she decided to tie herself up the way she did - not to prevent herself from saving herself, or making it seem like a murder - this was a final loving intimate submission to the man she loved. The man that in a fit of rage may have verbally pushed her too far. Who may have told her not to sleep in his bed that night but go to the guest room.

The shirt... I believe that this was Jonah's shirt and that she often slept in it. I think she must have been feeling out of breath and hyperventilating. She wanted to have something of his close to her, but she also felt as if he was choking life from her. She put it in her mouth and bit hard with all the tears, pain, love, fear, and confusion she was experiencing.

Rebecca was a dynamic and romantic young woman. She felt she was an artist. She jumped outside to prove her devotion, love, innocence, and spirit. She did not want to hide from the world. The truth is we are all contradictions and nobody is perfect. This was not about humility or pride. She knew deep inside that her love was greater than the power or importance of this man's public and professional life. Her act was an expression of this love to each of us. In the end Rebecca wanted to say that she had no fear only love - a deeply intimate love. Sadly a love that met the tragedy of a young boy's accidental death and the anger and grief of her lover and his ex-wife.

I know this post is a departure from presenting just the facts. Some might feel that it is charged with emotion. I am writing this as closure for myself. This is what I believe now. If I am wrong and justice needs to be done - I hope all of you continue to find out what really may have happened. I also know that justice is not for men alone to judge. RIP Becky and Maxie.

I don´t know if what you wrote is the truth or not, but it move me deeply and made me cry...

Rest In Peace Rebecca Zahau...sending you a bucket of wild flowers from my swedish childhood's meadow...

 

[katydid23]

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BREMNER: Well, let me count the ways, Jane, I mean, starting with it doesn`t pass the smell test like you`ve said.

But No. 1 is, you know, I`ve researched this. There`s no case in the history of the world of a woman killing herself this way. There`s a handful of cases with men. I won`t go into the detail other than when you bind your own hands and your feet, it`s usually someone that tried to kill themselves before and didn`t want to stop themselves.

OK, that stated, she had no history of depression, no psychological problems, no suicidal ideation. She was fine. One of her sisters talked to her that night, and she was completely fine. She didn`t have guilt about Max. And in fact, she had said that. Her religious beliefs, she would think -- she thought she`d go to hell if she committed suicide, if anybody did.
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/...2/ijvm.01.html
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There are so many things that bother me about this attorney i could spit.

"No. 1 is, you know, I`ve researched this. There`s no case in the history of the world of a woman killing herself this way."

REALLY? She has studied ALL of the suicides in the history of the world? Wow. How long did that take? Was that 'research' by google or chrome or yahoo?

And then the next all encompassing statement is that RN 'didnt feel guilt' about max's death. Is that really a good thing to say in defense of her client? Is it true? If so she must be cold as ice. She even has her client telling her family, within a day of his tragic accident, that she feels no guilt over it. ewwwww

 

[jjenny]

Well nobody has posted any links to any suicide by a female similar to RN's suicide.

 

[MyBelle]

Wow, I didn't get that accusation at all.

Saying someone is there, is not accusing them of a crime.

It also isn't a proved fact that the children were there. They do enjoy a right to privacy and they are children so why is Ms. Bremner commenting about them and disputing a police investigation of which she had no part? Seems a tad unethical imo.

 

[sdcali]

Clarifying who was there at the time of MS' accident, the preceding tragedy leading to RZ's death, IMO it is a logical place to begin to determine what motive might exist for the murder of Rebecca.

 

[katydid23]

Who cares? Well I do. LE says only RN and her little sister were in the home when six year old had an accident. And I would like to know if that is in fact correct.

And if it isn't ? If the older kids are there, does it make you suspicious of them?

What if they were already out of the city and on their way home? Would that make you suspicious of this attorney?

 

[sdcali]

Motive and opportunity. Opportunity is evident. Motive is left.

 

[katydid23]

Well nobody has posted any links to any suicide by a female similar to RN's suicide.

Because in the 'history of the world' is a pretty big span. And I doubt there any 'links' to about 80% of the female suicides in the history of the world. Google does not cover everything,it just pretends to.

 

[deanna82437]

There are so many things that bother me about this attorney i could spit.

"No. 1 is, you know, I`ve researched this. There`s no case in the history of the world of a woman killing herself this way."

REALLY? She has studied ALL of the suicides in the history of the world? Wow. How long did that take? Was that 'research' by google or chrome or yahoo?

And then the next all encompassing statement is that RN 'didnt feel guilt' about max's death. Is that really a good thing to say in defense of her client? Is it true? If so she must be cold as ice. She even has her client telling her family, within a day of his tragic accident, that she feels no guilt over it. ewwwww

I believe her client is the Zahau family. Just what is she defending them from?

 

[AnnaLisa]

It's not unusual to keep secrets from family members.

Fear of critisism, fear of disappoval, concern for family member's distress can all be motivator's for distorting the truth or keeping secrets.

Again, we're not privy to Rebecca's conversations with her family, or the Shacknai's, and who said what to whom.

(The Joy Luck Club is a wonderful book which shows the generational attitudes and beliefs of Asian women, and the older generation struggling and unable to understand their children.)

 

[jjenny]

It's not unusual to keep secrets from family members.

Fear of critisism, fear of disappoval, concern for family member's distress can all be motivator's for distorting the truth or keeping secrets.

Again, we're not privy to Rebecca's conversations with her family, or the Shacknai's, and who said what to whom.

(The Joy Luck Club is a wonderful book which shows the generational attitudes and beliefs of Asian women, and the older generation struggling and unable to understand their children.)

There is no generational gap between RN and her sister. They appear to be close in age.

 

[sdcali]

I agree she may have told a different story to the family or her sister told the story. But that also means RN lied to the cops when she said there were no witnesses and the rest of her story becomes questionable as well. The evidence does not support planking. The sister ended up with deep cuts and I've always found it difficult to believe she received deep cuts from cleaning up. I doubt the Zahau family wants a wrongful death lawsuit filed against the girl, her parents or RN's estate but that could be all they accomplish.

JMO

Deep cuts? Do you have a link for that? Deep cuts usually need to be stitched. Do we know if she was treated for deep cuts? I know it was reported that she asked her family about how to care for the cuts, but never saw them described as 'deep'.

I have cut myself cleaning up broken glass.

 

[jjenny]

Deep cuts? Do you have a link for that? Deep cuts usually need to be stitched. Do we know if she was treated for deep cuts? I know it was reported that she asked her family about how to care for the cuts, but never saw them described as 'deep'.

I have cut myself cleaning up broken glass.

What we know is that she was put on a plane and send somewhere else the next day. I personally don't think one would put a child with a serious injury alone onto the plane, but what do I know.

 

[katydid23]

I believe her client is the Zahau family. Just what is she defending them from?

The client is the Zahou family, in defense of RN, in trying to prove she did not kill herself. The purpose of hiring this attorney is so she can convince others that RN did not commit suicide. So in that vein this attorney tells the public that RN ' did not have guilt about max and she told her family that.'

I am saying that this does not show RN in such a good light by saying she had no guilt about Max's tragic death and that she even told her family that within a day or so of the accident. She was in charge of watching him and she went and took a shower in which time he flew over the top of the railing to his violent death. Please tell me how she could have no guilt pangs? Bremner is not being that great an advocate for RN by saying things like that, imo

 

[MyBelle]

Who cares? Well I do. LE says only RN and her little sister were in the home when six year old had an accident. And I would like to know if that is in fact correct.

LE said that is what RN told them.