CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[CocoChanel]

All IMHO- I'm a lost cause because I go back and forth in what I think about what happened to Rebecca.

I lean towards suicide. What trips me up mostly is the knots.

My reservation is knowledge of JS's possible "contacts." If he has people following others, who else might he have? All totally IMHO.
It's possible to me that JS hired someone. The thing that gets me there though is that he would have had only 2 days from Max's accident to plan something with someone-just seems hasty to me when he didn't know Max would die until that very night.

See, I am hopeless. :no:

THANK YOU Chasing.Halos for the inside info you posted earlier and for your thoughts quoted above. Since the beginning of this case, I have given considerable weight to the fact that JS is the head of a multi-million dollar pharmaceutical firm. His company has to have an elite security force in place to insure their products are not compromised. I believe his business has everything to do with the tragedies that took place in his mansion that terrible week.

 

[SunnieRN]

THANK YOU Chasing.Halos for the inside info you posted earlier and for your thoughts quoted above. Since the beginning of this case, I have given considerable weight to the fact that JS is the head of a multi-million dollar pharmaceutical firm. His company has to have an elite security force in place to insure their products are not compromised. I believe his business has everything to do with the tragedies that took place in his mansion that terrible week.

In his own son's death, as well as Rebecca's??

 

[sdcali]

There is a better photo of the wicker chair and blanket from a different angle contained in the Sheriff PDF presentation, along with a wider angle photo of the balcony here:

http://sdsheriff.net/coronado/rz.pdf

Page 15 of 26 in the PDF presentation.

One shot shows the balcony doors shut and the other shows the doors open. Couldn't somebody simply stand on the carpet and push her off the balcony without leaving footprints on the sooty balcony tile?

I studied the photos in the Sheriff's presentation and of the balcony specifically. I counted the tiles and only approximated how deep the balcony was by that. 26-29 inches at the most. If the CPD officer could make one step out and be very close to the railing, then yeah, somone could carry her to the balcony--planting her feet together on the balcony and lift and lean her over, causing her toes to slide as she was pushed her over the railing.

 

[SunnieRN]

I studied the photos in the Sheriff's presentation and of the balcony specifically. I counted the tiles and only approximated how deep the balcony was by that. 26-29 inches at the most. If the CPD officer could make one step out and be very close to the railing, then yeah, somone could carry her to the balcony--planting her feet together on the balcony and lift and lean her over, causing her toes to slide as she was pushed her over the railing.

This may have been easily accomplished if she was knocked out or off balance from the hits to her head, making her unable to fight/wiggle/lie down, to avoid being pushed over.

 

[CalElliot]

I looked it up and there are a number of things it can be prescribed for to a child. But if it's false positive then it's likely irrelevant.

Including autism.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Can you find that photo?

It's in the pdf file.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/rz.pdf

 

[Stella5]

All IMHO- I'm a lost cause because I go back and forth in what I think about what happened to Rebecca.

I lean towards suicide. What trips me up mostly is the knots.

My reservation is knowledge of JS's possible "contacts." If he has people following others, who else might he have? All totally IMHO.
It's possible to me that JS hired someone. The thing that gets me there though is that he would have had only 2 days from Max's accident to plan something with someone-just seems hasty to me when he didn't know Max would die until that very night.

See, I am hopeless. :no:

Thank you for your inside views of what has/is happening in both of these cases. My heart truly hurts for Dina most of all. I could not ever imagine losing my only child, and in such a tragic, unpredictable way.

BBM... I have always leaned towards suicide. And for many, many reasons. I still think there is more to Max's death that we'll never know because the one adult who was there that day is no longer here to answer those questions. However, the knots don't trip me up at all. On the last thread I posted pictures of the knots that were found tied to the bed... if you can tie your shoes, you can tie those knots.... those knots have nothing to do with boating and your knowledge or lack thereof of how to tie knots. Also the rope on her hands/feet... From the "re-enactment" they weren't difficult to fashion... wish we had those pictures though. I truly believe RZ took her own life and Jonah, Adam and especially Dina are innocent in her bizarre death. MOO.

 

[time]

I have now been verified as an insider in this case.

Alright, here are the things I know. LE is aware of everything I am about to share. I just have some tidbits, nothing earth shattering lol.

-Some family members do not believe Max died accidentally. I will leave it at that. Dina has hired a private team to investigate in the hopes that LE reopens the case and believes Max was suffocated before the "fall."

-Since March of this year, Dina told Jonah she did not want Rebecca alone with Max. This is due to her getting "weird vibes" from Rebecca. A background check was performed on Rebecca that revealed things (I was not told what those things are nor will I prod about them).

-Jonah has an interesting past of having his ex wives/girlfriends boyfriends followed, investigated, photographed etc...

-Rebecca was forbidden to go to the hospital to visit Max.

I will share more as I learn more.

Thank you so much. More weirdness ensues, huh. Geesh.

I'm not getting the gist of the suffocation thing, but my brain is gone right now anyway.

I find it incredibly weird that Jonah would have his ex's men followed and investigated. That seems kind of creepy and like it's some control thing? I don't know. :crazy:

 

[SunnieRN]

Thank you so much. More weirdness ensues, huh. Geesh.

I'm not getting the gist of the suffocation thing, but my brain is gone right now anyway.

I find it incredibly weird that Jonah would have his ex's men followed and investigated. That seems kind of creepy and like it's some control thing? I don't know. :crazy:

He sounds like a control freak!! My gosh, makes me wonder what other 'traits' he has.

 

[CocoChanel]

In his own son's death, as well as Rebecca's??

2 people very close to JS died in his home within days of each other. LE at first stated that the deaths were unrelated. Of course the investigation had just begun, but I think that statement was influenced by the common denominator in both deaths - JS. If it is true as chasing.halos reports that DS asked JS NOT to leave MS alone with RZ, it appears JS ignored that, and IMHO bears some culpability. If the voicemail from JS to RZ was the trigger to RZ choosing suicide shortly thereafter, again JS plays a critical role in what happened. That is what I see from the surface. My suspicion is that there is much under the surface that has to do with the complicated high-stakes business of a major drug corporation that is one of the biggest players in this arena. IMHO

 

[MyBelle]

I for one think that the story told to Le is not the truth and therefore her murder/suicide. I am not saying it was intentional, but I personally think there was more to his accident.....be it chasing or pushing or some form of altercation.

Just want to add my brother was a highly trained forensic policeman here in oz...he is now still a policeman but is behind the scenes..... I showed him this case and he is totally flabbergasted and said that they should look more into the little boys death as it is not adding up to what has been presented to the general public/media.

LE can continue to investigate Max's accident. Nothing preventing them from doing so or Max's family for that matter. The illustration they provided shows Max being propelled over the railing. Either he did it himself (accident) or somebody did it for him (manslaughter/murder.)

JMO

 

[deanna82437]

I ran across a picture of JS which was apparently before any injections to his face. Very interesting comparing the before and after.

Just curious if anyone remembers, what day was the dog boarded?

 

[jjenny]

LE can continue to investigate Max's accident. Nothing preventing them from doing so or Max's family for that matter. The illustration they provided shows Max being propelled over the railing. Either he did it himself (accident) or somebody did it for him (manslaughter/murder.)

JMO

They've investigated it, proclaimed it an accident, and closed the case.

 

[MyBelle]

I feel for DS, as I can not imagine losing your only child in such a horrific manner. I can understand why DS would forbid Rebecca to visit Max. What I find impossible to believe is that if DS or JS thought Rebecca was capable of injuring/killing Max, that she would be allowed to ever be alone with him.

I know there are custody laws and visitation agreements etc., but if I truly felt a situation was not safe, I would certainly try to do something about it and I most certainly would not be unavailable or unable to be found when my son was with the person I didn't trust.

I hope DS is successful in her quest to get Max's accident thoroughly investigated. God bless her.

I hope DS is successful as well. At the time of Max's fall, there were two other people in the house. And since JS nor DS was there, there was no way to know he wasn't being watched properly.

JMO

 

[CalElliot]

So if I have it right to date...

• Dina Shacknai thinks Max's death was not an accident.
• Rebecca Zahau's family thinks Rebecca's death was not a suicide.
• Jonah Shacknai thinks Max's death was an accident and Rebecca's death was a suicide.

Does Jonah Shacknai have any stock options left to exercise? Will there be a sell off of Medicis MRX tomorrow?

 

[MyBelle]

They've investigated it, proclaimed it an accident, and closed the case.

I doubt the case is really closed.

 

[MyBelle]

All IMHO- I'm a lost cause because I go back and forth in what I think about what happened to Rebecca.

I lean towards suicide. What trips me up mostly is the knots.

My reservation is knowledge of JS's possible "contacts." If he has people following others, who else might he have? All totally IMHO.
It's possible to me that JS hired someone. The thing that gets me there though is that he would have had only 2 days from Max's accident to plan something with someone-just seems hasty to me when he didn't know Max would die until that very night.

See, I am hopeless. :no:

The way the rope was looped under the leg of the bed wasn't all that complicated, imo.

JS had no reason to hire a hit. All he had to do was tell RN to pack her stuff and clear out. No cost to him at all. I now wonder if he did just that and his brother was there to help her move out.

JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

I'm tired and going to bed. I skipped pages 25-28 so forgive me if some of this appears on those pages.

Before I start on answering the posts below I'd just like to say that I don't care about the timing of the Z family wanting an investigation into their daughters/sisters death. The sooner LE jumps on the case the better the chance of solving it. It's sad that her death came so soon after MS died but if I'm the family that doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't. JMO

LE said RN/RZ was naked because she had just taken a shower before the suicide.

IMO, her being naked was a way to humiliate her for the last time, but there were no discarded clothing in the room, IIRC, so you may be right. However, that points to murder more than suicide IMO.

And they think she couldn't bother to put on some clothes even though she had to have spend a lot of time planning and carrying out the elaborate suicide?
Do they think she was naked in the shower and then went around to the garage for the rope while also in the nude even though boyfriends brother was staying in a guest house in very close proximity to the house?

Good questions.

I wonder, too, how long LE had to study how RN's hands were bound to duplicate the binding and if the person doing it in the video was being coached instructions to aid in the demonstation? How many times did it take? IMO, a better test would be to ask someone with the same knowledge of ropes/knots/etc that RN had, to bind and tie their wrists behind their back and see what they come up (taking into consideration,too, the exposure they have had to the case in the media and that RN had no such exposure at the time of her death). It would be an interesting scenario.

Those were my exact thoughts when I saw that too.

But why was Bremner attacking the S family older siblings by claiming they were at the scene of maxie's death, and claiming it was a planking accident? And what does that have to do with re-opening RN's death investigation?

Was she trying to implicate those kids in max's accident in some way?

I have a theory that maybe the other kids were there and somehow the accident happened due to something they accidentally did and that she may have told someone she was going to come forward with that information rather than keep quiet any longer. That would provide motive for murder.

Clarifying who was there at the time of MS' accident, the preceding tragedy leading to RZ's death, IMO it is a logical place to begin to determine what motive might exist for the murder of Rebecca.

Agreed.

 

[revampz]

I have now been verified as an insider in this case.

Alright, here are the things I know. LE is aware of everything I am about to share. I just have some tidbits, nothing earth shattering lol.

-Some family members do not believe Max died accidentally. I will leave it at that. Dina has hired a private team to investigate in the hopes that LE reopens the case and believes Max was suffocated before the "fall."

-Since March of this year, Dina told Jonah she did not want Rebecca alone with Max. This is due to her getting "weird vibes" from Rebecca. A background check was performed on Rebecca that revealed things (I was not told what those things are nor will I prod about them).

-Jonah has an interesting past of having his ex wives/girlfriends boyfriends followed, investigated, photographed etc...

-Rebecca was forbidden to go to the hospital to visit Max.

I will share more as I learn more.

Hallelujiah.....now things are seeming a bit more clearer and this is what I was suspicious of.

Lets not "beat around the bush" anymore. People do lose it and unintentionally kill children. Those who have been on here for years (not me, I have only been on here for 1 1/2 and I have seen quite a few cases of it) would know this is a entirely plausible scenario. We know she had issues with his children.

I am not saying that she intentionally killed this little boy, but I really do beleive that something happened to him and it was covered up.

I think the family/jonah told her (and I bet not in a nice way) of their suspicions and she then staged this very angry suicide. She may have even been killed because of the suspicions.

What I cant beleive is that without knowing her, people are not wanting to accept that this may be the case. There were only 3 (we think) people who know the truth that day. And as a stepmother who had issues with my stepchild, I can see how you could lose it and something happen. And as a mother of 6 year old and 7 year old boys, and a stepmother of a now 17 year old daughter, I also saw her "lose" it with them quite often and push them etc.

Once again I am not saying anyone outright murdered him, but maybe pushed or tried to shut him up, or chased him while angry.

All I am saying is that it IS indeed a possible scenario and I thought a more likely scenario, hence her murder or suicide.

 

[SunnieRN]

I ran across a picture of JS which was apparently before any injections to his face. Very interesting comparing the before and after.

Just curious if anyone remembers, what day was the dog boarded?

I think Rebecca tried to have Ocean boarded Monday, but his shots were not up to CA standards, or they were behind, so the dog guy picked him up Tuesday morning, brought him to the vet and then to where he was boarded.