CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[jstwondering]

Honestly, if it were me and my ex's girlfriend, whether she was present or not when my child was injured, she would not be welcome in ICU where I was spending time with my baby before he was taken off life support.
That's MY child AND MY time to spend with him in his last hours. I'll be damned if I'm going to share that with anyone but his father.
My ex's girlfriend would be the last person on my mind as my son lay there dying.
And if I were going to kill the woman so many feel I would hold responsible, it wouldn't be while I was focused on him. If I wanted her dead, I'd wait until he was gone and I was thinking more clearly.

I'm totally with you. My ex's girlfriend wouldn't be allowed into the ICU, and I would make sure everyone knew that, even if I had to tell the girlfriend myself..but what if before "thinking more clearly", something threw me into a rage... an uncontrollable, Betty Broderick-type rage? I wouldn't kill anyone, but obviously, some people do kill people.

 

[gemvt]

A few posters mentioned blood being seen earlier. I thought I would post a photo. I sure have missed a lot while away...

Your photo is cropped. In larger photos, you can see that mere inches below the balcony is some kind of flowering tree (I'm no horticulturalist!) with red buds. To me that looks like one of the buds having flown up a very short distance in the wind. Scroll over to the right of this linked photo and you'll see similar reddish globby things. I am fairly certain none of those are blood.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz8764.jpg

 

[deanna82437]

I'm still trying to catch up, but what demand from Dina??

Upthread Time was doing a timeline of events ..

Dec 2010 Rebecca quit job

Feb 2011 Rebecca's divorce final

Mar 2011 Dina demands MS not be left alone with Rebecca

(paraphrasing here)

 

[LCoastMom]

I'm totally with you. My ex's girlfriend wouldn't be allowed into the ICU, and I would make sure everyone knew that, even if I had to tell the girlfriend myself..but what if before "thinking more clearly", something threw me into a rage... an uncontrollable, Betty Broderick-type rage? I wouldn't kill anyone, but obviously, some people do kill people.

A rage suggests a spur of the moment kill, cord cut and tied, a nude woman bound and gagged, suggests planning.

 

[MyBelle]

Thanks LCoastMom. Forbes magazine - now that's gotta sting JS and company. Yes, the initial article was in WSJ - but the follow up is worse and worse. I'll bet he'll step down by this weekend prompted by the board of directors.

I think he may very well step down so that he can pursue legal action over all these accusations and innuendo.

JMO

 

[jstwondering]

A rage suggests a spur of the moment kill, cord cut and tied, a nude woman bound and gagged, suggests planning.

I respectfully disagree. Rage may and often does last a while. It is also very often dragged up from places hidden inside of us after years.

 

[BrownRice]

Thanks LCoastMom. Forbes magazine - now that's gotta sting JS and company. Yes, the initial article was in WSJ - but the follow up is worse and worse. I'll bet he'll step down by this weekend prompted by the board of directors.

Why on Earth would he step down from his own company WHEN there is not one piece of evidence linking him to either death?

 

[time]

Undocumented workers are not at all uncommon in CA ir AZ for that matter. I would still like to know who it was seen leaving/packing bags after the accidents occured.

Thank you Sunnie. I was looking for the more appropriate term 'undocumented' but was going blank on it!

 

[TorisMom003]

I still have more questions than I do answers even after LE gave their "presentation" and after reading the autopsy report (thank you to Carioca for posting it!!).

1. There are two knives in the room. So why go through the trouble of the elaborate nude hanging with hands and feet bound where you have to go over a balcony railing to commit suicide instead of using one of those knives to cut your wrists?

2. The areas of blood under the skin on the top of her head. I don't see how anyone can hit the top of their head 3 or 4 times on something to cause those during a hanging that is a suicide. She wasn't hanging by her waist or her feet for her head to be able to hit the wall (top of her head that is) while possibly struggling so how did they get there?

3. In the autopsy report it states that the binding on the wrists was loose enough on the left wrist so that she could remove her left hand (after binding them in front of her body) and place them behind her back and place her left wrist back through the hole so that it is bound again. Now, if a person was going to bind their wrists so that they would not "save themselves" would they make it possible for one hand to be removed? If she could remove her left wrist to put it behind her back she could remove her left wrist to "save herself".

4. The message on the door in black paint. It reads (according to the autopsy) "She saved him can you save her". Clearly the "him" is not the same person the author is referring to as "you" otherwise it would read She saved him can he save her. If the author was RZ (I don't believe it was but let's say she wrote it) and it was a message meant for Jonah then would it not read She saved you can you save her? If (as I believe) it was a message to Jonah from the person that killed Rebecca then I can see the message being as written. Rebecca saved Max by performing CPR and getting him the required help he needed so She Saved Him. Then the author is asking Jonah if Jonah can save her, Rebecca, from her death at the hands of the author so Can You Save Her.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Rebecca's family not accepting this (IMO farce of an) investigation. There are clearly things that do not add up and that have not been explained. They are entitled to that and frankly Rebecca deserves that.

MOO

 

[Bonepile]

cool, I think it uploaded here. Thanks for help.

Thank you so much for this. I see so much here that I am going to have to take tomorrow and read it more thoroughly, but there are things that the sheriff's department and the ME did not bring out. I am also going to put my past medical art training to work for myself and do some renderings based on this report.

Thanks again.

 

[curiousjo]

Nancy Grace covering this story tonight

 

[tiredblondy]

4 hemorages as reported by jean on Nancy Grace....Man if JS and LE thought this was going away they were wrong!

 

[Bonepile]

Somehow this just makes my blood boil ...

 

[revampz]

When we first heard about the supposed suicide note it was reported it said "she saved him, can HE save her"........now I notice it says "she saved him, can YOU save her".......that is a significant difference in my mind.

Also in that blog listed a few pages back I find it very interesting that Dina enlisted mental health information in the custody and visitation battle. Who's mental health info?

Also re the blood in the vagina and the blood on the toes and a bit on the inner thigh, does this mean it was her time of month????? didnt the sister say this was not so? Though I really dont know how the sister could know that.

If she was having her monthly visit from aunt Mona, I just cant see a woman committing suicide in the nude knowing this......that just tops of the humiliating to me, and is such a personal female thing.

I can understand her not being allowed to go to the hospital if what we have heard that DS thinks that she suffocated Max, imagine the scene at the hospital.

If this is what had been voiced by Dina, I am sure this had been told to Rebecca and I am sure it wouldnt have been in a nice way.

This is probably over the top, but I am wondering if the last call was made by Dina or JS and was somewhere along the lines of "we know you killed him and we're going to make you suffer or kill you or you're going to jail for the rest of your life" type of call.

This could be the prelude to her setting up the suicide to look like murder.

Anyhow just thinking and rambling.

 

[time]

I'm still trying to catch up, but what demand from Dina??

The demand (my term, maybe it was a request?) to Jonah was that Max not be left alone with Max

 

[jjenny]

She dropped 9 feet. How did she get the head injuries? If she dropped 9 feet then I don't expect that much bounce for her head to hit the balcony?

 

[tiredblondy]

Somehow this just makes my blood boil ...

I think you have lots of company. I can see running it in the local newspaper but to put it as part of the LE report ?????

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

Honestly, if it were me and my ex's girlfriend, whether she was present or not when my child was injured, she would not be welcome in ICU where I was spending time with my baby before he was taken off life support.
That's MY child AND MY time to spend with him in his last hours. I'll be damned if I'm going to share that with anyone but his father.
My ex's girlfriend would be the last person on my mind as my son lay there dying.
And if I were going to kill the woman so many feel I would hold responsible, it wouldn't be while I was focused on him. If I wanted her dead, I'd wait until he was gone and I was thinking more clearly.

I can understand your point but at the same time it seems that Rebecca was banished. This was a time of tragedy for everyone involved - and it could have been an opportunity to come together - to support each other. Don't you think Rebecca may have felt compassion towards Dina? The point I was trying to make was that it seems like Rebecca was being isolated by Dina as well as Jonah. Why board the dog? Did Jonah request this? Why have Adam stay in the guest house? Shouldn't he have been in the guest room? Shouldn't Adam and Rebecca have been up all night in the kitchen - waiting for news? Was he there to watch over Rebecca and look over the house? It's as if they were punishing her - and despite this she was doing everything that was asked of her. Driving people to and from the airport, bringing Jonah clothes, cleaning up the broken glass - etc...

 

[Plumeria5]

The demand (my term, maybe it was a request?) to Jonah was that Max not be left alone with Max

?? Max not be left alone with Max or Rebecca?

 

[Kentjbkent]

I still have more questions than I do answers even after LE gave their "presentation" and after reading the autopsy report (thank you to Carioca for posting it!!).

1. There are two knives in the room. So why go through the trouble of the elaborate nude hanging with hands and feet bound where you have to go over a balcony railing to commit suicide instead of using one of those knives to cut your wrists?

2. The areas of blood under the skin on the top of her head. I don't see how anyone can hit the top of their head 3 or 4 times on something to cause those during a hanging that is a suicide. She wasn't hanging by her waist or her feet for her head to be able to hit the wall (top of her head that is) while possibly struggling so how did they get there?

3. In the autopsy report it states that the binding on the wrists was loose enough on the left wrist so that she could remove her left hand (after binding them in front of her body) and place them behind her back and place her left wrist back through the hole so that it is bound again. Now, if a person was going to bind their wrists so that they would not "save themselves" would they make it possible for one hand to be removed? If she could remove her left wrist to put it behind her back she could remove her left wrist to "save herself".

4. The message on the door in black paint. It reads (according to the autopsy) "She saved him can you save her". Clearly the "him" is not the same person the author is referring to as "you" otherwise it would read She saved him can he save her. If the author was RZ (I don't believe it was but let's say she wrote it) and it was a message meant for Jonah then would it not read She saved you can you save her? If (as I believe) it was a message to Jonah from the person that killed Rebecca then I can see the message being as written. Rebecca saved Max by performing CPR and getting him the required help he needed so She Saved Him. Then the author is asking Jonah if Jonah can save her, Rebecca, from her death at the hands of the author so Can You Save Her.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Rebecca's family not accepting this (IMO farce of an) investigation. There are clearly things that do not add up and that have not been explained. They are entitled to that and frankly Rebecca deserves that.

MOO

The underlined is my EXACT interpretation of the message as well!

I doubt they are....but I would take a VERY close look at Jonah's possible "dealings" that are NOT related to legitimate pharmaceutical sales....

Sounds to me like a message was being sent via the son's accident, but Rebecca may have inadvertently interjected....so Plan 2 was enacted...