CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[oceanblueeyes]

What I find most interesting is that according to RN's sister, JS was saying this was a suicide right from the start. Her sister doesn't believe it's a suicide. Her ex-husband doesn't appear to believe it's a suicide (and they were married for years). But JS apparently just believed it was suicide even before the investigation.

I dont think that is odd that he said that. He may know more than anyone that Rebecca was under a lot of stress at the time.

IMO

 

[Curious Me]

Jen Hegar on Dr. Drew wants to know why AS fingerprints weren't anyplace on the rope if he was the one that cut RZ down.

 

[tiredblondy]

So are you saying you think Jonah killed Rebecca?

IMO

No Ocean, I do not think Jonah did it. I have my own idea who did it...if... it was murder but I'm keeping that to myself for now.

I do think JS is worried about his company and what upsets me is it's like Rebecca was just a blip on the screen.

He could have expressed his remorse about her death in a more personal way rather than a PR statement including he and Dina. This was the woman he has been in a relationship with for the last 2 years! I understand the loss of his child was devastating but to lose her too!!

I seriously think that JS and his PR firm think if they keep quoting the LE's information it will go away.

Dr. Drew is covering it right now.

Another thing is that LE seems (to me) to have repeated what AS told them what happened. So that says to me the original scene was tampered with.

Wow a suicide expert on Dr Drew just said that now they have more questions than ever.

Dr. Drew has some good info and good questions.

For example if Adam cut her down how is that his DNA is not on the rope too???

It is just a matter of time before JS's PR representative is on here if not already disguised as a member.

 

[jjenny]

Sister just states on Dr. Drew message was "She saved him. Can HE save her?"

I think that's what the sister remembers from being shown the message. But the message must have been She saved him Can you save her because that's what in the reports.

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I think it was a taunting message left by Rebecca. Since the message was on the inside of the home maybe she expected Jonah to come home when he could not get her to answer the phone.

I think she meant she saved him from a life of loneliness when she came into his life but she knew once he read this message on the door he would not be able to save her. She wanted him to know that. Even though he was powerful and a take charge man he couldn't stop this from happening.

I think she resented that she was left out .....unable to even visit Max at the hospital. It left her totally isolated with time to dwell on the loneliness she felt. She knew nothing was ever going to be the same again.

IMO

So Rebecca's sister is saying on HLN that the message was 'She saved him - Can he saved her'

She didn't let Max die at the scene. If she knew based on the last VM that Max was dead/dying and she believed that taking her own life would send her to hell - wouldn't she want her soul saved?

 

[coastal]

I copied the following from page 2 (of 3) of the Investigative Narrative: Scene Description, written by Dana Gary, Medical Examiner Investigator, on 08/21/2011:

>>>snip

…The main house was a multi room, multi bathroom dwelling which appeared clean and organized. The guest house consisted of two bedrooms. One of the rooms had a suitcase and the other room had an unmade bed, a few pieces of women’s clothing on the floor, make up wipes on the dresser and a glass with a clear liquid on the night stand. We were escorted upstairs and I noted black painted writings on the bedroom door that led into the room with the balcony...

<<<snip

Bold mine.

This sounds like Rebecca intended to spend the night in the guesthouse. She took off her makeup, poured a glass of water, and undressed before going bed…and what? She checked her messages, got one she didn’t like…so she wrapped herself in a towel, stalked off to the garage to find a handy tow rope, then entered the big house by way of the kitchen in order to grab a few butcher knives and a tube of paint (and two paintbrushes) on her way up to that cute little guestroom with the handy balcony just right for throwing oneself over, where she painted a little nonsense for her loved ones to remember her by, dropped the towel, cut three lengths of rope, wrapped these around herself and the foot of the bed, and dove off the balcony?

I don't believe that. I don't know what to think, but I don't think it went like that.

If she had moved to the guest house, she either didn’t want to be alone in that big, sad, house just yet, and so sought Adam’s company, or someone suggested she should do so.

MOO

Rest in peace, Rebecca. I'm sorry you are gone.

 

[Curious Me]

Sister says there was no "you" in the message.

"She Saved Him, Can He Save Her"

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I think that's what the sister remembers from being shown the message. But the message must have been She saved him Can you save her because that's what in the reports.

The report defers to photographs in several parts from other reports. We need to see a photograph of the message to be certain.

 

[Paladine]

But she knew she didn't save Max, if it's true that she got the voice mail message saying Max was not going to make it. The message would make more sense if it said SHE DIDN'T SAVE HIM. As it is, I don't understand who is that she saved.

Hate to post and run but I must...just food for thought...

A scenario: Maybe Rebecca (she) saved Jonah (him) from something but could Jonah (he) save Rebecca (her)?

Ideas: Maybe there was a cover up of some sort with Maxies death, maybe Jonah was somehow responsible...or someone felt he was...and someone felt Rebecca possibly lied or did something to 'save' him'? And maybe someone wasn't very happy, shall we say, about that...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The message is addressed to a different person from the one she (whoever she is) saved. She saved HIM Can YOU save her. There HIM and YOU appear to be two different people. So far sarcastic interpretation makes the most sense to me (she saved him (meaning RN saved Max (yea, right, he is going to die) can you save her (no she is going to die too)).

It could just be a language barrier.

 

[Curious Me]

The complete autopsy reports can be obtained by writing to the ME office. I have a copy. After reading it, it is absolutely mind boggling that LE closed this case saying it was a suicide. Extremely important information that was not made public nor mentioned at the briefing. If I knew how to post it here, I would.

Just want to thank you, Carioca.

 

[SunnieRN]

Jen Hegar on Dr. Drew wants to know why AS fingerprints weren't anyplace on the rope if he was the one that cut RZ down.

Thank you!! This so reminds me of the JonBenet Ramsey case, where only unknown DNA was found on her longjohns. Huh?:waitasec: Her Mom stated she dressed her that night and John carried her upstairs. Where is their DNA. This case reminds me of that case on so many levels!

 

[x_files]

I copied the following from page 2 (of 3) of the Investigative Narrative: Scene Description, written by Dana Gary, Medical Examiner Investigator, on 08/21/2011:

>>>snip

…The main house was a multi room, multi bathroom dwelling which appeared clean and organized. The guest house consisted of two bedrooms. One of the rooms had a suitcase and the other room had an unmade bed, a few pieces of women’s clothing on the floor, make up wipes on the dresser and a glass with a clear liquid on the night stand. We were escorted upstairs and I noted black painted writings on the bedroom door that led into the room with the balcony...

<<<snip

Bold mine.

This sounds like Rebecca intended to spend the night in the guesthouse. She took off her makeup, poured a glass of water, and undressed before going bed…and what? She checked her messages, got one she didn’t like…so she wrapped herself in a towel, stalked off to the garage to find a handy tow rope, then entered the big house by way of the kitchen in order to grab a few butcher knives and a tube of paint (and two paintbrushes) on her way up to that cute little guestroom with the handy balcony just right for throwing oneself over, where she painted a little nonsense for her loved ones to remember her by, dropped the towel, cut three lengths of rope, wrapped these around herself and the foot of the bed, and dove off the balcony?

I don't believe that. I don't know what to think, but I don't think it went like that.

If she had moved to the guest house, she either didn’t want to be alone in that big, sad, house just yet, and so sought Adam’s company, or someone suggested she should do so.

MOO

Rest in peace, Rebecca. I'm sorry you are gone.

Interesting...

 

[Kentjbkent]

Sheriff Gore was definitely the establishment candidate, out-raising his opponents by 5 and 6 to 1 in the 2010 election. First appointed and then seemingly handpicked by the community and county insiders. These give a little idea:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080713/news_1m13sheriff.html
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/1919
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jun/09/gore-rolls-past-challengers-in-sheriffs-race/
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/apr/21/election-san-diego-county-sheriffs-race/

Not being accusatory of him, but doesn't necessarily mean he is squeaky clean...

Tiger Woods was supposively the squeeky clean golfer, but.....nuff said.

Is also interesting to do a little reading on google concerning corruption and SDSD and Coronado PD...

Just adding theory to the mix...

 

[katydid23]

Jen Hegar on Dr. Drew wants to know why AS fingerprints weren't anyplace on the rope if he was the one that cut RZ down.

One thing I have learned from watching a million episodes of 'the first 48' and 'forensic files' etc etc is that not everything is found to have corresponding DNA on it. Sometimes not enough transfers or does not stick or is not found by the examiners.

Also, if I imagine him tippytoe stretch to reach it and cut her down, was he really grasping the rope anywhere for long? And maybe he thought of the potential crime scene and had gloves on. If he was going out for a walk on the beach that early in the morning he may have had them with him anyway.

 

[deanna82437]

Wonder what the message truly was. Maybe the family has pictures from LE?

I don't know about pictures. She didn't say, but was very emphatic about what it actually said. Like she knew it had been mentioned the other way. This was the sister, Mary. The transcripts should be up later.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

One thing I have learned from watching a million episodes of 'the first 48' and 'forensic files' etc etc is that not everything is found to have corresponding DNA on it. Sometimes not enough transfers or does not stick or is not found by the examiners.

Also, if I imagine him tippytoe stretch to reach it and cut her down, was he really grasping the rope anywhere for long? And maybe he thought of the potential crime scene and had gloves on. If he was going out for a walk on the beach that early in the morning he may have had them with him anyway.

Also if he works on a tugboat his hands take a beating from the vigorous work he does. This dries the oils out of the hands and they become very hard...dry ..even calloused and its oils in the skin that will leave DNA behind the best.

IMO

 

[jjenny]

One thing I have learned from watching a million episodes of 'the first 48' and 'forensic files' etc etc is that not everything is found to have corresponding DNA on it. Sometimes not enough transfers or does not stick or is not found by the examiners.

Also, if I imagine him tippytoe stretch to reach it and cut her down, was he really grasping the rope anywhere for long? And maybe he thought of the potential crime scene and had gloves on. If he was going out for a walk on the beach that early in the morning he may have had them with him anyway.

Gloves on? Really? Where would he get those gloves? Why would he need gloves to walk on the beach? If he realized this was a potential crime scene, why would he cut her down to begin with?

 

[tiredblondy]

I copied the following from page 2 (of 3) of the Investigative Narrative: Scene Description, written by Dana Gary, Medical Examiner Investigator, on 08/21/2011:

>>>snip

&#8230;The main house was a multi room, multi bathroom dwelling which appeared clean and organized. The guest house consisted of two bedrooms. One of the rooms had a suitcase and the other room had an unmade bed, a few pieces of women&#8217;s clothing on the floor, make up wipes on the dresser and a glass with a clear liquid on the night stand. We were escorted upstairs and I noted black painted writings on the bedroom door that led into the room with the balcony...

<<<snip

Bold mine.

This sounds like Rebecca intended to spend the night in the guesthouse. She took off her makeup, poured a glass of water, and undressed before going bed&#8230;and what? She checked her messages, got one she didn&#8217;t like&#8230;so she wrapped herself in a towel, stalked off to the garage to find a handy tow rope, then entered the big house by way of the kitchen in order to grab a few butcher knives and a tube of paint (and two paintbrushes) on her way up to that cute little guestroom with the handy balcony just right for throwing oneself over, where she painted a little nonsense for her loved ones to remember her by, dropped the towel, cut three lengths of rope, wrapped these around herself and the foot of the bed, and dove off the balcony?

I don't believe that. I don't know what to think, but I don't think it went like that.

If she had moved to the guest house, she either didn&#8217;t want to be alone in that big, sad, house just yet, and so sought Adam&#8217;s company, or someone suggested she should do so.

MOO

Rest in peace, Rebecca. I'm sorry you are gone.

I thought Adam was staying in the guesthouse!

Also, did they test the liquid?

 

[SunnieRN]

One thing I have learned from watching a million episodes of 'the first 48' and 'forensic files' etc etc is that not everything is found to have corresponding DNA on it. Sometimes not enough transfers or does not stick or is not found by the examiners.

Also, if I imagine him tippytoe stretch to reach it and cut her down, was he really grasping the rope anywhere for long? And maybe he thought of the potential crime scene and had gloves on. If he was going out for a walk on the beach that early in the morning he may have had them with him anyway.

She was only 5'3", she was only a little over 2' off the ground and he was on the table. I think he was probably able to grip the rope fairly easily.