CA - Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #9

[Curious Me]

Hate to post and run but I must...just food for thought...

A scenario: Maybe Rebecca (she) saved Jonah (him) from something but could Jonah (he) save Rebecca (her)?

Ideas: Maybe there was a cover up of some sort with Maxies death, maybe Jonah was somehow responsible...or someone felt he was...and someone felt Rebecca possibly lied or did something to 'save' him'? And maybe someone wasn't very happy, shall we say, about that...

Maybe the "she" isn't RZ, maybe some other woman saved JS once and now is he going to cover for her.

 

[jjenny]

The report defers to photographs in several parts from other reports. We need to see a photograph of the message to be certain.

That would remove all doubt but LE refused to show us the photo. I really wonder why.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I copied the following from page 2 (of 3) of the Investigative Narrative: Scene Description, written by Dana Gary, Medical Examiner Investigator, on 08/21/2011:

>>>snip

…The main house was a multi room, multi bathroom dwelling which appeared clean and organized. The guest house consisted of two bedrooms. One of the rooms had a suitcase and the other room had an unmade bed, a few pieces of women’s clothing on the floor, make up wipes on the dresser and a glass with a clear liquid on the night stand. We were escorted upstairs and I noted black painted writings on the bedroom door that led into the room with the balcony...

<<<snip

Bold mine.

This sounds like Rebecca intended to spend the night in the guesthouse. She took off her makeup, poured a glass of water, and undressed before going bed…and what? She checked her messages, got one she didn’t like…so she wrapped herself in a towel, stalked off to the garage to find a handy tow rope, then entered the big house by way of the kitchen in order to grab a few butcher knives and a tube of paint (and two paintbrushes) on her way up to that cute little guestroom with the handy balcony just right for throwing oneself over, where she painted a little nonsense for her loved ones to remember her by, dropped the towel, cut three lengths of rope, wrapped these around herself and the foot of the bed, and dove off the balcony?
I don't believe that. I don't know what to think, but I don't think it went like that.

If she had moved to the guest house, she either didn’t want to be alone in that big, sad, house just yet, and so sought Adam’s company, or someone suggested she should do so.

MOO

Rest in peace, Rebecca. I'm sorry you are gone.

Very good analogy except you forgot the part where she also wrapped the tshirt around her neck, stuffed an end into her throat, then hit herself on the top of the head (blunt force) FOUR TIMES before throwing herself off the balcony! :banghead:

 

[jjenny]

I thought Adam was staying in the guesthouse!

Also, did they test the liquid?

I believe AS was staying in the guest house and he said he last saw RN at 8 pm.

 

[justice be served]

One thing I have learned from watching a million episodes of 'the first 48' and 'forensic files' etc etc is that not everything is found to have corresponding DNA on it. Sometimes not enough transfers or does not stick or is not found by the examiners.

Also, if I imagine him tippytoe stretch to reach it and cut her down, was he really grasping the rope anywhere for long? And maybe he thought of the potential crime scene and had gloves on. If he was going out for a walk on the beach that early in the morning he may have had them with him anyway.

It's not that cold to need gloves to walk the beach in San Diego. We sleep all night with our windows open. Hopefully he didn't run in to find gloves before he cut her down. But good thought.

 

[elementry]

One thing I have learned from watching a million episodes of 'the first 48' and 'forensic files' etc etc is that not everything is found to have corresponding DNA on it. Sometimes not enough transfers or does not stick or is not found by the examiners.

Also, if I imagine him tippytoe stretch to reach it and cut her down, was he really grasping the rope anywhere for long? And maybe he thought of the potential crime scene and had gloves on. If he was going out for a walk on the beach that early in the morning he may have had them with him anyway.

To me, the gloves idea is a bit of a stretch. He'd take the time to think that one out while in an absolute panic to cut her down? And gloves in San Diego in July? It may be brisk in the morning by the sea, but it's not winter. Gloves for some other reason may be possible.

 

[Paladine]

The complete autopsy reports can be obtained by writing to the ME office. I have a copy. After reading it, it is absolutely mind boggling that LE closed this case saying it was a suicide. Extremely important information that was not made public nor mentioned at the briefing. If I knew how to post it here, I would.

There is a way to do it...you scan and post it somewhere else and post the link here, like we did with KC's stuff. If no one pm's or posts you details on a how-to...pm me and I'll help be happy you help you through it...thing is, I'm hit and miss for a couple days...I ask for patience, if it's me. Adnoid is a good one to contact for advice, imo. Or a mod...

An autopsy report to websleuthers? Well, that's like gold...we'll find a way. IMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So Rebecca's sister is saying on HLN that the message was 'She saved him - Can he saved her'

She didn't let Max die at the scene. If she knew based on the last VM that Max was dead/dying and she believed that taking her own life would send her to hell - wouldn't she want her soul saved?

I really don't have the ability to get into someone's mind that contemplates suicide. Imo, they are irrational at the time with irrational thoughts.

Since religious people do commit suicide I don't know the answer in Rebecca's case. Maybe she felt God understood she could not endure the pain she felt and would forgive her.

IMO

 

[jjenny]

It's not that cold to need gloves to walk the beach in San Diego. We sleep all night with our windows open. Hopefully he didn't run in to find gloves before he cut her down. But good thought.

You can only save someone from hanging in less than 10 minutes. She was dead for hours by the time he said he found her. Frankly if he would run around looking for gloves because was afraid to disturb the potential crime scene it'd be much better to leave her hanging in order to not disturb the scene.

 

[SunnieRN]

Ok, so now, Rebecca was going to stay in the guest house. She gets a phone call. She leaves the guest house. She gathers her supplies. She enters the big house. She turns on music loud enough to wake up and bother neighbors, but AS sleeps through it (?), the other people staying there, (hired help?), doesn't hear it or check anything out, or talk to media or LE? Music goes off. Rebecca found 5 hours later (approx)?

Alrighty then. I know what I believe.

 

[time]

?? Max not be left alone with Max or Rebecca?

Rebecca, sorry for the mistake

 

[SunnieRN]

Very good analogy except you forgot the part where she also wrapped the tshirt around her neck, stuffed an end into her throat, then hit herself on the top of the head (blunt force) FOUR TIMES before throwing herself off the balcony! :banghead:

This is SO not funny, but it did make me laugh!! Thank you as I was getting very upset.

 

[gemvt]

Very good analogy except you forgot the part where she also wrapped the tshirt around her neck, stuffed an end into her throat, then hit herself on the top of the head (blunt force) FOUR TIMES before throwing herself off the balcony! :banghead:

Sorry, but where did you get that the t-shirt was down her throat and that the head injuries were blunt force?

 

[elementry]

Yes AS was staying in the guest house and he said he last saw RN at 8 pm.

It's all so friggin hinky; it's almost as if LE put so many impediments into the facts of their story, that are then so refutable or at least so strewn with holes by the documents which have been released......that it's so badly effected it ironically couldn't be a conspiracy to cover-up - it's too sloppy! As if they wanted an incompetence defense to a cover-up lol.

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

No disrespect intended, but this all sounds m ore like something in a Vampire movie than I can buy as a suicide theory.

Besides, per LE timeline it doesn't seem like t here would have been much time for her to be saved by Jonah, he had no intention of coming home and if she felt this way it appears to me she would call out to him first - LE says she never called him back and didn't even answer the phone since he left a voicemail.

I'm not a huge van of vampire movies. =) My basic theory is that she tied herself up the way she did because Jonah would have recognized her this way. He would have known that this was part of their intimacy. I don't think she was trying to make it look like murder. I don't think she had time to learn how to self-bind herself that way. If Jonah had told her they were finished, that Dina was going to pursue legal action against her, and she had to spend the night in the guest room - the only thing she could do was say 'this is how I loved you - with complete submission'. She wasn't about to call him back - she wanted him to come to her. We also don't know the sequence of calls - the 12:50 call may have been the last in a series. She may have hung up on him right before that call - he called back and left the final message. She listened to it or not and deleted it. She was still hoping that Jonah would come home. She wanted to be part of his life - did she not call Max her son? If the party they were planning had anything to do with an engagement this all would have seemed so surreal.

 

[curiousjo]

Agreed, in less they had a play area that Max enjoyed playing in. I used to take my daughter, even when her Dad was home as she enjoyed it so much.

I really don't think there were nannies. I think there was household help, at least a cleaning woman once or twice a week, a garden service. I still can not help but think that the people leaving the day Rebecca was found, were employees. No one is saying, that's for sure. But if they were not in the guest house, with AS, wouldn't they have been in the caretakers home?

Also, if they were there that night, did they hear the music, didn't they check to see if everything was ok? This is certainly strange in a lot of ways.

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I remember reading somewhere that the apartment over the garage was rented out to an older couple. This must be the caretakers home? They must not have been on the property that night, as LE states only RN and AS home. The loud music is curious. If true, then I would have to guess AS involved.....I doubt he slept very good that night- his nephew was in Neuro/trauma ICU, and he was sleeping in a strange bed. If you heard loud music at approx 1-2 am, wouldn't you check it out or call your brother?

 

[katydid23]

Gloves on? Really? Where would he get those gloves? Why would he need gloves to walk on the beach? If he realized this was a potential crime scene, why would he cut her down to begin with?

If you noticed, gloves were only a small portion of my possible explanation. An afterthought really. But it is highly possible and innocent that there was no DNA on the rope.

What is it that people are concluding by the lack of his DNA? That he did NOT cut her down? Because obviously someone did. So where is their DNA? Did he cut her down and then remove his DNA, without removing hers?

I just think that sometimes the people who are screaming bloody murder about this possible suicide are making every single thing look like it is a conspiracy.
Suicides are sloppy weird things sometimes. And maybe it is a homicide, but if it is, it is a weird one that has aspects that make it look like a suicide.

IMO, if the cops had arrested DS and said she had RN murdered, then we would be on here looking at the evidence and finding similarities with suicide and speculating that RN set her up by killing herself.

 

[elementry]

Rebecca, sorry for the mistake

Actually, Dina insisting on not leaving Max with Max, i.e. not leaving him alone without supervision, made some sense too; if one thinks he might have been an unruly or wild kid for whatever reasons.

 

[Invisible]

BBM

But the only released photos show the door sloppily painted over. I'm assuming they aren't going to leave it that way. JMO

Why not replace the door? I would have, but then no telling what would have happened to it.

 

[SunnieRN]

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I remember reading somewhere that the apartment over the garage was rented out to an older couple. This must be the caretakers home? They must not have been on the property that night, as LE states only RN and AS home. The loud music is curious. If true, then I would have to guess AS involved.....I doubt he slept very good that night- his nephew was in Neuro/trauma ICU, and he was sleeping in a strange bed. If you heard loud music at approx 1-2 am, wouldn't you check it out or call your brother?

Sorry, but after that PC I don't believe much of anything the SDPD/CPD is saying, just because of all the other information they left out and that is now public knowledge.

I don't believe that this couple wasn't there that night or that they for sure were renting the caretakers apartment. I hope that Rebecca's family knows who they are and have spoken with them.

This is not directed toward you in any stretch of the imagination, just my frustration with the situation.:seeya: