CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

[sdcali]

..rebecca's sister was probably staying in the guest house before adam arrived and was then staying there.

---MS autopsy:

7/11--Maxie was at his father's part-time home in Coronado with rebecca zahou and her minor sister, xena zahou.

---RZ autopsy:

On 7/12 rebecca drove her sister to the airport to return to her home. While at the airport she picked up Jonah's brother Adam ,who flew into town to be with his brother. They went to the hospital to meet Jonah and then the 3 went out to dinner.

Do we have a link for MS autopsy report? TIA!

 

[jstwondering]

And AS slept through all of it ... "rescued" her, took a "lie detector test", then conveniently disappeared with no trace .. huh??

Well, and how much weight does a lie detector test hold if we don't know the questions, and if we assume that LE or Attorney were looking for positive results?

Questions could have been
Do you know JS?
Do you have a bad relationship with NZ?
Did you harm MS?
etc.

 

[SunnieRN]

Also Max was found face down and had to be turned over. I know I wasn't there, as I said earlier, but why wouldn't Rebecca have told ems that Max spoke?

If the statement came from the family, did the sister reach Max first and hear him say 'Ocean'?

 

[SunnieRN]

Well, and how much weight does a lie detector test hold if we don't know the questions, and if we assume that LE or Attorney were looking for positive results?

Questions could have been
Do you know JS?
Do you have a bad relationship with NZ?
Did you harm MS?
etc.

Or if the subject had taken a drug of some sort to calm down following a horrific turn of events. Also, when was it taken? AS seemed to have disappeared very quickly.

 

[Pach]

to recapitulate what has been suspected many threads ago, the discussions up to now point to "undetermined" cause of death and therefore the case needs to be re-opened since the evidence can be for either voluntary suicide or "assisted involuntary suicide" or "assisted involuntary strangulation" alias murder

By the way, Rebecca's family attorney , News reporters and LEs should be contacted to read our posts here. We have a lot of budding sherlocks here that can help them build the case :rocker:

 

[SunnieRN]

Do we have a link for MS autopsy report? TIA!

Here, under ME powerpoint, Max S
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

 

[katydid23]

Imo she had no reason to be angry with anyone, so why try to make your suicide look like murder? Because of religious beliefs?? Last time I checked god sees all and hears all, so no dice there. Others did have a reason to be angry with her validated or not. So there lives motive imo

I think she felt she had plenty of reasons to be angry at others. She was banned from seeing Max in the hospital by DS. And hert fiance took his ex wife's side, and let the ban be upheld. She also MAY have been yelled at by JS and he MIGHT have laid some blame on her since she wass the adult in charge. He was known to be a perfectionist and a strict and temperamental taskmaster. Why wouldn't he unload on her if his son was dying from a violent and unusual accident in the home? She was supposed to be watching him.

IF RN knew that it was not her fault, but the parents of Max were blaming her, and JS even threatened to end their relationship, then she had plenty of reason to be angry. Especially if it were actually his older kids that had been playimg and horsing around with Maxie/

 

[deanna82437]

Also Max was found face down and had to be turned over. I know I wasn't there, as I said earlier, but why wouldn't Rebecca have told ems that Max spoke?

If the statement came from the family, did the sister reach Max first and hear him say 'Ocean'?

I realize he had to be turned over in order to give him CPR, but with a neck injury, wouldn't that have been very dangerous? Not that it matters at this point. RIP Max ..

I recall that he did utter the dog's name, but not where I heard/saw it.

 

[jjenny]

I realize he had to be turned over in order to give him CPR, but with a neck injury, wouldn't that have been very dangerous? Not that it matters at this point. RIP Max ..

I recall that he did utter the dog's name, but not where I heard/saw it.

The info that he said "Ocean" comes from his autopsy report, I presume from RN, because she is the one who found him and heard him say it.

 

[SunnieRN]

I realize he had to be turned over in order to give him CPR, but with a neck injury, wouldn't that have been very dangerous? Not that it matters at this point. RIP Max ..

I recall that he did utter the dog's name, but not where I heard/saw it.

Yes, very dangerous, but I remember LE stating she was taking direction from the 911 dispatch operator. There are ways to log roll a person to minimize danger, but there is always a risk. In this case, with no spontaneous breathing or heart rate, the benefit outweighs the risk imho.

 

[katydid23]

I cannot find the post now, but I read a question earlier, where it was asked why Max, who propelled from the balcony, pulling down the chandelier, had seemingly LESS abrasions and bruises than RN did.

I think maybe because Max was not on a rope, which would have swung around and potentially bashed someone into a wall or the balcony supports over and over until it finally stopped.

We had a creek near our house, with a rope from a tree on a little cliff, over the top of it. It was really hard to jump from that cliff on the rope, and get it to stay over the top of the creek so we could jump in.

 

[10-6Mom]

That Carlsbad note must be a typo.

IMO this is a typo! Errors like this should not happen! With the number of people who reviewed/approved this case it does not look good when mistakes like this are made. JMO!

 

[SunnieRN]

The info that he said "Ocean" comes from his autopsy report, I presume from RN, because she is the one who found him and heard him say it.

His autopsy report would have been written after Rebecca's death. Just saying.

 

[katydid23]

I find it hard to believe that he ever had the strength or ability to say 'Ocean' before he was taken away. His spinal cord injury was so severe that he could not breathe. I would think that injury happened at the moment he landed with such force, face first. I just do not think he could have said anything after that.

 

[lauriej]

Do we have a link for MS autopsy report? TIA!

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...DctZGRjMy00ODVkLTk1YWItODAxZjAxMzE5OTVl&hl=en
---MS autopsy report



https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...TItOWM1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDgtMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en
---RZ autopsy report

 

[jjenny]

I find it hard to believe that he ever had the strength or ability to say 'Ocean' before he was taken away. His spinal cord injury was so severe that he could not breathe. I would think that injury happened at the moment he landed with such force, face first. I just do not think he could have said anything after that.

With head trauma patients can be lucid and talk first before deteriorating.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

..some info on the rope from the autopsy report--

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...TItOWM1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDgtMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en
--RZ autopsy---pages 11-12---



Neck: There is rope ligature around the neck and over the decedant’s long hair. It has 2 free ends extending from it and the knot is a slip knot.The free-slipping portion of the rope which passes through the knot extends 5 inches from it and has an additional 1 ¼” extension of frayed fibers.

A 22 inch segment of rope extends from the knot itself, and is fixed to the knot.
There is a small amount of apparent black paint on this segment.

Wrists: The wrists are bound behind the back with the reddish-orange braided rope described above. There are 5 loops around the right wrist and 6 around the left. There is an 84” segment of rope extending from a slip knot on the left wrist. This 84” segment pulls through the slip knot. The segment extends from the left wrist into the right hand and exits between the right middle and index fingers.

Ankles: The ankles are bound by rope similar to that on the neck and the wrists.
The right ankle has 6 loops, the left has 8. There is a knot on the proximal right lower leg, exiting anteriorly. There is a 2nd similar knot on the left ankle.

Wrapped within the bindings is a yellow plastic tube which encircles one strand of thicker rope which appears to be a water sport tow rope handle. There is a warning on the yellow handle stating among other things----intended only for towing up to 2 people or 340 lbs. on an inflatable tube.

BBM -

I'm on the fence regarding their findings of suicide.

However,

The number of time her ankles were wrapped, and then her wrists were wrapped, seems excessive to me for a suicide.

JMO

 

[Dr. Know?]

My apologies if this has already been posted.

Doctor says Zahau's death could've been ritualistic killing

http://www.ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1450173&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[SunnieRN]

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...DctZGRjMy00ODVkLTk1YWItODAxZjAxMzE5OTVl&hl=en
---MS autopsy report



https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...TItOWM1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDgtMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en
---RZ autopsy report

Thank you, I stand corrected. The ME autopsy states he did say Ocean. I just wonder why that was not mentioned in the LE PC, as that is a BIG piece of information. Also, very important that it states that Max was in the kitchen when Rebecca went to the bathroom. Not at the top of the stair, unsupervised.

 

[lauriej]

I agree. I am not certain where the statment came from that Maxie said Ocean and then was unresponsive. Rebecca's family? I do recall LE saying at the PC that Rebecca found him unresponsive. Nothing about him speaking first.

..autopsy investigative narrative:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...DctZGRjMy00ODVkLTk1YWItODAxZjAxMzE5OTVl&hl=en
--page 2--

"The following initial information was obtained from San Diego Coronado Police Officer Erhard------Officer's Report Narrative:"

...She (Rebecca) heard Max say the dog's name "Ocean".

( i still don't know how she would heard him say anything, since she found him "unresponsive on the floor.." to begin with..)