CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

[MyBelle]

Just to add, I don't think JS wants the media looking closely at his life and that would definitely happen during a trial. I'd be willing to bet this is an empty threat.

I don't believe that law firm on Wacker Dr. has made its money on empty threats.

JMO

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

I do know something about CPR. The heart's pumping action sends oxygenated blood to the other organs and it is circulated back to the heart to repeat the action, which is accomplished by heart pumping, lungs breathing. When that action is impaired, CPR must duplicate it.

So, yes, it can be assumed she performed CPR incorrectly OR there was a delay in starting CPR. I think there was a delay.

JMO

So what you are saying here is she may have been successful in keeping the heart pumping but not providing the necessary oxygen to the brain. I don't think we will ever know if there was a delay in providing CPR. Especially if brain damage could have been the result of improper CPR. I would think that the sound of Max crashing down with the chandelier would have prompted a quick response. Unless you are in the shower, listening to loud music, or on the other side/outside of the house. All of which are unfortunate circumstances given what has just happened.

 

[MyBelle]

How long did it take EMTs to restore breathing? CPR only increases someone's chances of survival, it doesn't guarantee it by any means. Brain starts dying within five minutes or so without oxygen.

EMT's restored his heartbeat. And the brain was dying because of no CPR, which was my point. CPR isn't about just lungs, it is about circulation via the heart.

JMO

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

EMT's restored his heartbeat. And the brain was dying because of no CPR, which was my point. CPR isn't about just lungs, it is about circulation via the heart.

JMO

How did they restore his heart beat? Would it be with a portable defibrillator?

 

[MyBelle]

So what you are saying here is she may have been successful in keeping the heart pumping but not providing the necessary oxygen to the brain. I don't think we will ever know if there was a delay in providing CPR. Especially if brain damage could have been the result of improper CPR. I would think that the sound of Max crashing down with the chandelier would have prompted a quick response. Unless you are in the shower, listening to loud music, or on the other side/outside of the house. All of which are unfortunate circumstances given what has just happened.

What I'm saying is that she wasn't successful in keeping the heart pumping oxygenated blood <modsnip>.

RN was a certified technician to eye surgeons. I think she knew proper CPR and the reason Max's brain was without oxygen is <modsnip>. I have no idea where she really was when Max's accident happened but there is also no evidence of where she was other than what she told LE.

 

[MyBelle]

How did they restore his heart beat? Would it be with a portable defibrillator?

yes, that and drugs, respirator.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

yes, that and drugs, respirator.

JMO

And how long did that take? Without knowing how long that took, I fail to see how it's possible to make any conclusions. Only a small percentage of people who receive CPR survive (5-10 %). Yet you expect RN to be able to perform a miracle, apparently.

"The truth is that only between 5%-10% of people who undergo CPR will survive, while on television shows, a majority of the patients seem to do well."
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/heart-failure/news/20010514/real-cpr-isnt-everything-seems-to-be

 

[MyBelle]

Just to add, I don't think JS wants the media looking closely at his life and that would definitely happen during a trial. I'd be willing to bet this is an empty threat.

I disagree. The media don't have a habit of examining lives that have a cease and desist order attached. I doubt there will be any trial.

JMO

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

What I'm saying is that she wasn't successful in keeping the heart pumping oxygenated blood <modsnip>.

RN was a certified technician to eye surgeons. I think she knew proper CPR and <modsnip>. I have no idea where she really was when Max's accident happened but there is also no evidence of where she was other than what she told LE.

So you don't think that she may have given improper CPR and this had the same result as a delay in CPR? I think you are right she knew CPR - but was she capable of handling this situation? She may have panicked? In the diagram of the fall from LE wasn't Max face down? She would have had to turn him over - would she at all hesitate if she thought he had a spinal chord injury? Wasn't there some mention that Max has said 'Ocean' before passing out? If that's true who heard it? How long after a fall like that might you remain semi-conscious?

 

[MyBelle]

And how long did that take? Without knowing how long that took, I fail to see how it's possible to make any conclusions. Only a small percentage of people who receive CPR survive (5-10 %). Yet you expect RN to be able to perform a miracle, apparently.

"The truth is that only between 5%-10% of people who undergo CPR will survive, while on television shows, a majority of the patients seem to do well."
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/heart-failure/news/20010514/real-cpr-isnt-everything-seems-to-be

The ME did make conclusions. It has absolutely nothing to do with what I expected of RN, I'm only pointing out that the ME's examination does not point out any successful CPR by RN. <modsnip>, the EMT's were only successful in reviving him. Damage was done by then.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

So you don't think that she may have given improper CPR and this had the same result as a delay in CPR? I think you are right she knew CPR - but was she capable of handling this situation? She may have panicked? In the diagram of the fall from LE wasn't Max face down? She would have had to turn him over - would she at all hesitate if she thought he had a spinal chord injury? Wasn't there some mention that Max has said 'Ocean' before passing out? If that's true who heard it? How long after a fall like that might you remain semi-conscious?

Once you are trained in CPR, it isn't something you forget, imo. I think the outcome proves there was a delay in administering effective CPR.

How on earth would she hear any words from Max if his heart was not beating? That doesn't even make sense.

JMO

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

Once you are trained in CPR, it isn't something you forget, imo. I think the outcome proves there was a delay in administering effective CPR.

How on earth would she hear any words from Max if his heart was not beating? That doesn't even make sense.

JMO

Well it sounds like you know more than me on this topic. I can't believe that she didn't do anything to save him though.

I did read in an earlier thread that Max's last word was 'Ocean'. Not sure if it's true or who heard it - but I imagine his heart didn't stop the split second he hit the ground.

 

[MyBelle]

Well it sounds like you know more than me on this topic. I can't believe that she didn't do anything to save him though.

I did read in an earlier thread that Max's last word was 'Ocean'. Not sure if it's true or who heard it - but I imagine his heart didn't stop the split second he hit the ground.

LE has said there were no witnesses to Max's fall so who heard his last words?

 

[HowLoveCanBe]

LE has said there were no witnesses to Max's fall so who heard his last words?

I was assuming that his last words were after his fall before he lost consciousness - but I may be imagining that.

Also for what it's worth blog post on the effects of improper CPR

http://www.livestrong.com/article/198918-complications-from-improper-cpr/

snipped from thread #9 post #158
"It was mentioned many times that Ocean, the dog, was hers. Allegedly "Ocean" was the last word Max said. "

snipped from thread #9 post #606
"Rebecca said his last word was "ocean""

 

[Bonepile]

Sheriff’s officials said some of the information was not released during Friday’s news conference because there wasn’t enough time, and the medical examiner had to pick the most pertinent findings to discuss.

THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME????

Then re-open the case and take all the GD time you need. We are more than happy to wait until you have picked up those loose pieces, re-examined them again and let some daylight into this matter, and oh yes, truth too.

 

[MyBelle]

THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME????

Then re-open the case and take all the GD time you need. We are more than happy to wait until you have picked up those loose pieces, re-examined them again and let some daylight into this matter, and oh yes, truth too.

Do you really believe that taxpayers are willing to pay for all the "time you need"???

I don't.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I was assuming that his last words were after his fall before he lost consciousness - but I may be imagining that.

Also for what it's worth blog post on the effects of improper CPR

http://www.livestrong.com/article/198918-complications-from-improper-cpr/

snipped from thread #9 post #158
"It was mentioned many times that Ocean, the dog, was hers. Allegedly "Ocean" was the last word Max said. "

snipped from thread #9 post #606
"Rebecca said his last word was "ocean""

All I view that to be is an attempt to blame the dog. Just more excuses, excuses.

JMO

 

[BrownRice]

You're welcome and I agree. When this first happened we had a statement from her ex-NN that Rebecca had changed and she wasn't the same person he knew when they were married. She didn't want their modest life in Arizona, where apparently they were barely skimming by.... quite a few civil suits on unpaid rent out there if you dig. She also felt the need to walk into a Macy's and attempt to walk out with $1,000 worth of jewelry without paying, and this was before Jonah walked into her life. NN said she now wanted the life of luxury. She had that life for a short while, but then Max fell from the staircase.

All that she had become accustomed to and all that she ever wanted was now slipping out of her hands. I have no doubt that some pretty nasty things were said that morning after Max's accident and the days to follow. She reportedly was driven to the hospital in an LE cruiser but then returned to the house an hour later. Jonah was busy tending to Max, and Dina was furious with her because it happened on her watch.

I truly believe there were a lot of accusations flung her way by everyone and she reached a point where she felt she had lost everything and no longer had anything to live for. All the above is MOO.

As for the autopsy and narratives we do have, I fail to see anything but a suicide. The paint on her breast, nipple, fingers, different parts of the rope... Rebecca painted that message. No one forced her to and then smeared paint on her to set up a suicide.

The head injuries could have occurred by her hitting her head on the balcony railing, flooring or supports... or smashing into the wall of the house. She went over that railing and didn't go straight down. She flung for awhile. Hanging victims also convulse, which would create more movement to hit the house, the trees or anything else around her body.

I just don't see homicide. The scene is too messy for the perp to not leave anything behind. MOO

This post is 100% how I feel.

 

[BrownRice]

The life of luxury doesn't appear to me to be all that luxurious. She was babysitting, making breakfast, that we heard of. The guy also had two ex-wives, 2 teenager children, and it appears she didn't have the best relationship with at least one of the ex-wives and one of the teenagers.
Was that really that devastating to lose all that? She was young, attractive, it's not like if she lost JS as a boyfriend she wouldn't have been able to get another one.

Well, fixing breakfast and watching kids in your (rich boyfriend's) Coronado beach side mansion is a bit more luxurious than waking up every morning at 6:00 a.m. (just guessing) to drive to your job as an eye technician and working 8 hours. And like it's been said, she had financial issues with her ex-husband (civil judgments for not paying rent) and shoplifting. If I had the choice, I'd certainly take Door 2 and cook a couple pancakes every morning.

 

[MyBelle]

This post is 100% how I feel.

Me, too.