CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

[x_files]

..surely, even though he didn't leave maxie's side, JS was getting updates on R's "situation" ( from AS ?? LE ?? )-----why didn't he demand that "the love of his life that he was planning on proposing to" (as we've heard)----be treated with a little more respect??

Did he go to the house? I wouldn't be ale to believe it was true and would have rushed to the house.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, he also said he isn’t sure why RZ’s sister and her family still insists there was foul play.

“We laid out the case extensively to them in Missouri to answer their questions, and it’s unfortunate she can’t accept the results,” Gore said. He said he told the family that they would not rush the case.

“I wouldn’t make this public until I was personally satisfied we’d done everything we could,” the sheriff said. The video of the hand-binding re-enactment was also shown to the family, he said.

Is it common for families to just accept a suicide? These comments sound unprofessional and uncaring.

I don't agree. If the cops took the time and expense to go to Missouri to discuss the case, I'm also of the opinion they provided more info to the family than they have shared publicly. There is a gap of over ten hours that hasn't been explained publicly and I think that shows their respect for privacy.

JMO

 

[Bonepile]

The National Funeral Directors Association has the following statement in their Code of Conduct ... "Ethical Principle: Members have an ethical obligation to care for each deceased person with the highest respect and dignity, and to transport, prepare and shelter the remains in a professional, caring and conscientious manner."

I wonder what the law says about Sheriff departments and Medical Examiners?

 

[MyBelle]

..surely, even though he didn't leave maxie's side, JS was getting updates on R's "situation" ( from AS ?? LE ?? )-----why didn't he demand that "the love of his life that he was planning on proposing to" (as we've heard)----be treated with a little more respect??

I'm not understanding your point. What situation was JS being updated about? AS had just arrived and LE weren't investigating until after RN's death.

 

[deanna82437]

Interesting read .. mods please delete if not allowed.

http://angiemedia.com/2010/04/20/bill-gore-is-poor-choice-for-san-diego-sheriff/

 

[SunnieRN]

I'm not understanding your point. What situation was JS being updated about? AS had just arrived and LE weren't investigating until after RN's death.

About her lying on the grass in public, in view of everyone and God, including news cameras, for 12 hours. This still makes me as angry as it did in thread 1!

Not saying JS could have done anything, but wasn't he the least little bit upset by this? Why didn't LE put up a cover over her?

 

[CalElliot]

“I wouldn’t make this public until I was personally satisfied we’d done everything we could,” the sheriff said. The video of the hand-binding re-enactment was also shown to the family, Gore said.[/I]

I would like to see a video of the "hand-binding re-enactment" done with EXACTLY the same stiff plastic dock line that was on RZ. And who would tangle up their own legs in the clumsy handle of a dock line, as described in the autopsy.

I'm guessing the latter wasn't shown because it is too awkward, not something a person would likely do in staging an artful tableau of their own death. Rather, would look like something done through force upon another person.

 

[MyBelle]

About her lying on the grass in public, in view of everyone and God, including news cameras, for 12 hours. This still makes me as angry as it did in thread 1!

Not saying JS could have done anything, but wasn't he the least little bit upset by this? Why didn't LE put up a cover over her?

How would he even know about it? I think he was focused on Max.

I have no idea why LE didn't put a cover over the body just as I don't know why people decided to take pictures. To me, it seems a bit of a stretch to blame JS for any of it.

JMO

 

[lauriej]

I'm not understanding your point. What situation was JS being updated about? AS had just arrived and LE weren't investigating until after RN's death.

..i'm referring to rebecca's body laying out in the yard for 12 hours.

..the "situation" being her found hanging that morning.

..i would think he was being updated throughout the day on what was going on with the investigation etc. either by his brother, or LE.

 

[MyBelle]

..i'm referring to rebecca's body laying out in the yard for 12 hours.

..the "situation" being her found hanging that morning.

..i would think he was being updated throughout the day on what was going on with the investigation etc. either by his brother, or LE.

I seriously doubt LE updated anybody throughout the day or allowed AS to remain on the premises. If anything, they viewed both men as suspects and they cooperated.

JMO

 

[sdcali]

Thanks for that answer. I simply cannot believe that she was exposed to the elements, the sun, the wind, the lack of humidity and the neighbors and the roving reporters from the air for that long. Where was the decency to cover her up? Where was the tent with sides? Where was the concern, the care, the civility?

I think the Zahau family attorney should look into that.

What was the delay in removing her body? Why was it out there 12 hours? Was any forensic evidence compromised by the delay?

 

[Quester]

I would like to see a video of the "hand-binding re-enactment" done with EXACTLY the same stiff plastic dock line that was on RZ. And who would tangle up their own legs in the clumsy handle of a dock line, as described in the autopsy.

I'm guessing the latter wasn't shown because it is too awkward, not something a person would likely do in staging an artful tableau of their own death. Rather, would look like something done through force upon another person.

I agree and jumping off your post and going a step further.

Can you imagine if LE had done a full videoed recreation of RN's whole rigamarole? [Of course - stopping short of the swan dive over the balcony railing.]

I would bet viewers would walk away with the indelible belief that not a chance in hello was this suicide. And therefore, it wouldn't support the "suicide" determination for LE's press conference presentation.

Maybe the Z family should create such a video?

MOO

 

[MyBelle]

I agree and jumping off your post and going a step further.

Can you imagine if LE had done a full videoed recreation of RN's whole rigamarole? [Of course - stopping short of the swan dive over the balcony railing.]

I would bet viewers would walk away with the indelible belief that not a chance in hello was this suicide. And therefore, it wouldn't support the "suicide" determination for LE's press conference presentation.

Maybe the Z family should create such a video?

MOO

Such a video would certainly confirm for me that her death wasn't a hired hit. I'll never believe a hitman would spend so much time and effort to make her death look like a homicide.

JMO

 

[SunnieRN]

How would he even know about it? I think he was focused on Max.

I have no idea why LE didn't put a cover over the body just as I don't know why people decided to take pictures. To me, it seems a bit of a stretch to blame JS for any of it.

JMO

In the first or second thread, someone theorized that they couldn't move Rebecca's body, or erect a cover, as they didn't have permission from the home owner.

I cannot imagine AS not being so upset that he would contact JS immediately, or LE moving any mountains needed to give a corpse, under their watch, privacy. Even in cases where LE is searching for bones, they erect tents and keep reporters away.

IMHO, this was a very poor judgement call by the investigating officers. Rebecca's body should never have been on display for an entire day. I wonder what else was handled with this same lack of respect shown to Rebecca and her loved ones. All of her loved ones, including JS and his family.

 

[Quester]

Such a video would certainly confirm for me that her death wasn't a hired hit. I'll never believe a hitman would spend so much time and effort to make her death look like a homicide.

JMO

Why does it make me so nervous/uncomfortable that you would say that?

 

[SunnieRN]

Why does it make me so nervous/uncomfortable that you would say that?

Thank you! That comment left me speechless.

 

[jjenny]

I agree and jumping off your post and going a step further.

Can you imagine if LE had done a full videoed recreation of RN's whole rigamarole? [Of course - stopping short of the swan dive over the balcony railing.]

...

MOO

But the dive would be the most important part! Considering that's how ME claims she must have injured her head? Couldn't they try to recreate that with a life size figure? I am just flabbergasted by the apparent attitude: well we can't entirely explain some findings but the case for suicide is iron clad.

 

[lauriej]

In the first or second thread, someone theorized that they couldn't move Rebecca's body, or erect a cover, as they didn't have permission from the home owner.

I cannot imagine AS not being so upset that he would contact JS immediately, or LE moving any mountains needed to give a corpse, under their watch, privacy. Even in cases where LE is searching for bones, they erect tents and keep reporters away.

IMHO, this was a very poor judgement call by the investigating officers. Rebecca's body should never have been on display for an entire day. I wonder what else was handled with this same lack of respect shown to Rebecca and her loved ones. All of her loved ones, including JS and his family.

..that doesn't make sense to me, that the homeowner would have any say over LE when there's a dead body on the lawn?

..i do want to know though-----the ME was contacted at 8:09 A.M.----why on earth did it take them 11 HOURS to get there??

..don't they want to see the body A.S.A.P. to determine rigour, TOD, etc etc?

 

[belimom]

I don't know if this has been posted - so I apologize if it has.

Rebecca Zahau's Death a Ritualistic Killing?

Rebecca Zahau, found naked, bound and hanging at a Coronado, Calif., mansion, may have been the victim of a ritualistic killing, a forensic psychologist told ABCNews.com today.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/rebecca-zahaus-death-ritualistic-killing-expert/story?id=14463695

 

[MyBelle]

In the first or second thread, someone theorized that they couldn't move Rebecca's body, or erect a cover, as they didn't have permission from the home owner.

I cannot imagine AS not being so upset that he would contact JS immediately, or LE moving any mountains needed to give a corpse, under their watch, privacy. Even in cases where LE is searching for bones, they erect tents and keep reporters away.

IMHO, this was a very poor judgement call by the investigating officers. Rebecca's body should never have been on display for an entire day. I wonder what else was handled with this same lack of respect shown to Rebecca and her loved ones. All of her loved ones, including JS and his family.

I don't agree that LE need permission from an owner to erect a screen, place crime scene tape, remove doors etc. Consent is implied when LE was invited to the scene via the 911 call. No links so I'll note the above is my opinion.

I agree that it was a poor judgment call by LE. I don't believe it was out of lack of respect but more an oversight. Not much they can do about it now though other than make sure in any future case, it doesn't happen.

JMO