CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #11

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  • #121
Interesting detailed analysis of LE's theory on MS' fall:

9/9 THM: [RZ] case: How [MS]’s accident didn’t happen

There is no way in hell[o] [MS] fell over the railing of the mansion stairwell the way the Coronado police department has depicted it in this model. NO WAY.
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One thing is certain, [MS] didn’t fall over the rail the way they told the public he did.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/09/09/rebecca-zahau-case-how-maxs-accident-didnt-happen/
 
  • #122
Gosh I will have to read the autopsy report again......I am missing things I guess.

I thought the ME said he thought she went over at an angular position..not a head dive. That means to me she rested one hip up on the railing and that is why only 11 inches? of dust was disturbed and then swung her legs and feet over and propelled off. If she did not push off far enough then one side on the top of her head could have grazed the scroll work which is not solid but open in areas. We do not know if she twisted from the force when she jumped off or she may have had her head arched way back when she jumped.

Tow ropes are flexible though. They aren't ridgid like a steel rod that has no play in it. The energy amassed and the force of her fall would make the rope swing like a pendulum. A thin rope cannot steady and control a hundred pound body where it will drop straight down and never swing imo. We also don't know if the rope may have been twisted when she repelled off. If so the body would spin until the rope was no longer twisted.


IMO

I think that force could have also affected the bannister.
 
  • #123
I thought R's family believed that the S's family inflence affected the outcome...also, isn't is strictly up to the ME to determine manner of death? Rather than LE? Or are we supposed to believe that the ME's office too is in on whatever cover-up is happening? I am confused...

I am not trying to insinuate there is a cover up. I thought that the Zahou lawyer talked about influence and the family stated she did not commit suicide. Not positive, but fairly sure anyway.:waitasec:
 
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I think that force could have also affected the bannister.

I think the iron scroll enclosure around the balcony was much stronger than Rebecca's head.

I think her head just grazed it and that is why the hemorrhages are minor and didn't even cause bleeding in the brain or skull cavity.

IMO
 
  • #126
I have a question. Why was the dog boarded? Who requested it? Anyone seen anything about it? Is he/she still alive?

We may never know that answer.

It was Rebecca who called the kennel to have her dog boarded.

I would think she is still alive. It was said that both Max and Rebecca loved Ocean.

IMO
 
  • #127
All I can say is I'm truly confused as ever. I initially thought murder, but then after seeing all the findings (no specific sorce) I now tend to lean towards suicide. I know the bizarre knots and weird cryptic message don't help.......but I honestly think suicide is very plausible in this case. A lot of people keep referring to her mental health and well being months, days, and hours up to her death as reasons to why or why not she would have done this to herself. But I can honestly speak from experience....my father committed suicide and anyone that knew him would strongly disagree with the outcome of his demise had it not been clear cut that he did it to himself. I think us (rational human beings) can't fathom how someone would go to great lenths to do this, but trust me, they go beyond what most would suggest physically impossible. I'm not here to debate, but rather give my 2 cents. I don't open up much about my fathers suicide, but I feel my friends at websleuths can understand my point of view (atleast some). FWIW, my father shot himself with a 12 gauge shotgun, the way the corner explained the way he held the gun did not anotomically make sense to where the wounds were found, however we know he did take his own life. Point being.....even though some things seem impossible or hard to physically do, they are very possible. I'm saddened by Rebecca's death, still open minded, but everyone has a breaking point (no matter how much their immediate family knows or what the victim relays to their family). If I or more family had known what was going on in my fathers head completely, he might still be alive, and I believe the same for Rebecca's family......everyone puts on a show.....you don't come out waiving a flag that says "I'm about to kill myself", you act like everything's fine and then do the deed. Of couse, this is my personal opinion and experience. Again, I'm still open to Rebecca's death not being suicide, but I think I can picture it more eaily than others.

Aking welcome to websleuths and thank you so much for caring enough to share your thoughts with us!!

:welcome:
 
  • #128
Hello WS community. I am a new to this site, but I've been following this case for awhile. I've enjoyed reading your posts and have learned so much, thank you! I don't know if anyone has asked this yet and had it answered, but I've been wondering about the paint found on her fingers and hands. I don't think it was noted in the AR if there was any paint found on the t-shirt that was wrapped around her neck and in her mouth, any on the ropes, bed post? I remember reading there was a fingerprint on the door with the painted message, but what about all of the other items that she had to have touched in order to carry out this suicide. Since she still had paint on her fingers and hands in death, she didn't wipe her hands fully clean before binding herself and wrapping the t-shirt, there must be traces of it on all the items that she touched?
 
  • #129
Hello WS community. I am a new to this site, but I've been following this case for awhile. I've enjoyed reading your posts and have learned so much, thank you! I don't know if anyone has asked this yet and had it answered, but I've been wondering about the paint found on her fingers and hands. I don't think it was noted in the AR if there was any paint found on the t-shirt that was wrapped around her neck and in her mouth, any on the ropes, bed post? I remember reading there was a fingerprint on the door with the painted message, but what about all of the other items that she had to have touched in order to carry out this suicide. Since she still had paint on her fingers and hands in death, she didn't wipe her hands fully clean before binding herself and wrapping the t-shirt, there must be traces of it on all the items that she touched?

What a fantastic first post!!!!!!!

:welcome:
 
  • #130
If she actually killed herself, she would have to know AS was going to find her. AS was the one staying in the guest house, not JS. JS was in the hospital or the house across the street from the hospital. And frankly if she thought JS would care so much as to show up at his home to see why she was not answering the phone, why would she kill herself to begin with?

Not if she thought Jonah would call back in the middle of the night since he didnt get her the first time. She may have thought he would have come home then and AS would have still been sleeping. There is no guarantee Jonah would have called AS anyway to go to the mansion. He may have thought he should handle it personally. We just dont know.

Maybe she wanted him to find her. I dont really know. It is impossible to get into the mind of a dead sucide victim.

IMO
 
  • #131
These are links to the first videos on July 13. They still work for me but have made copies just in case they 'mysteriously' disappear from the web:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/...oCatNo=default&clipId=6051226&redirected=true

http://www.10news.com/video/28541247/index.html

Since we have a wonderful place to save things now, can I ask you to please post the links there also?! Thank you!! It is nice to know we will have them after they 'disappear', as some things have seemed to!!



Your wish, is my command :loser:

Please find a news media/timeline thread right here: CA Rebecca Zahau Naplepa Suicide or Murder? Media links&Timelines ONLY-NO DISCUSSION - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

There is nothing posted there yet, so you guys have a lot to do to catch up :) Go Sleuths! :great:
 
  • #132
Suspicious me .. has anyone noticed any missing posts in these threads? Just curious ..
 
  • #133
I think the iron scroll enclosure around the balcony was much stronger than Rebecca's head.

I think her head just grazed it and that is why the hemorrhages are minor and didn't even cause bleeding in the brain or skull cavity.

IMO

My goodness, now I KNOW I am having a hard time with my communication skills tonight.

Damage to the bannister, from the force of her body weight and the rope itself on the bannister. I am fairly certain, she did not get 4 blunt force trauma wounds from the bannister. The rope was too long and they are on the TOP of her head.

moo, imho etc.
 
  • #134
I thought R's family believed that the S's family influence affected the outcome...also, isn't is strictly up to the ME to determine manner of death? Rather than LE? Or are we supposed to believe that the ME's office too is in on whatever cover-up is happening? I am confused...

BBM

Yes, they do. They think Jonah's wealth has bought off four completely different police agencies.

Everyone involved would have to be in on the cover up. Didn't happen imo.

Because of those accusations among other things said by Bremner and the Z family is why JSs attorney found it necessary to write the letter to Anne.

IMO
 
  • #135
I am 5'4' (1 inch taller than RN) and I just checked to see if I had to write in the same area of the door could I easily write in that area. It wouldnt be hard to do at all. She could do it flat footed.

I think she wrote the message higher so it could be seen by maybe someone she knew was around that height and it would be eye level.

I really think she thought Jonah would be the one to find her. That is why she wrote the message on the outside of the guest room door in the mansion. She probably thought if he tried to call her again and couldnt get her he would come home to see where she was and why she wasnt answering the phone.

IMO
Again, there is too much thought into this "suicide". A 5'3" person is not going to paint something at someone else's eye level. I'm 5'2" and that (my test) was uncomfortable at that level to paint!
 
  • #136
In the photos of the balcony- there is 11" marked off but then another arrow. Is this where the rope was? If it is why didn't it come from behind her? If it slid over then would the dust on the railing have been completely disturbed between her body marks and where the rope ended? And if there was slack in the rope before going over the balcony wouldn't it have disturbed dust in the floor of the balcony?
 
  • #137
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I forgot to say hello everyone!
 
  • #138
Sorry, lots of questions. If she leaned over head first. Was any hair caught in the scrolls?
 
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Welcome to WS, starbright and Yoda!!!
 
  • #140
BBM

Yes, they do. They think Jonah's wealth has bought off four completely different police agencies.

Everyone involved would have to be in on the cover up. Didn't happen imo.

Because of those accusations among other things said by Bremner and the Z family is why JSs attorney found it necessary to write the letter to Anne.

IMO



I don't remember reading or seeing one thing that the family of RZ ever stated whatsoever that jonah's wealth bought off anyone. I would love to see the links if you have found anything different. I haven't even seen Bremner say anything directly about the JS family.
 
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