CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #11

[thinkingstraight]

Imo, Jonah did the right thing when it first happened and called them to let them know of Rebecca's death before it hit the media. He attended the funeral and sat with her family. I wouldn't doubt that he paid for her funeral also. So he was not trying to shun the Z family or distance himself from Rebecca's death.

I really think Jonah has been very low key in this case in order to not make it about him and about the investigation of Rebecca and Max's death.

But unfortunately it has become about him and his family and the insinuations that his wealth swayed the results. Those are baseless accusations and he too is a human being with emotional pain and has suffered great losses. Not only with losing Max but Rebecca as well.

Not one person ever has said that his children didn't mean everything to him. He doesn't have to have a murderous mind to feel overwhelming love for his children. I don't think he blamed Rebecca at all for Max's death. He was having lunch with her and she was bringing his clothes to him so he wouldn't have to leave and go home to change.

IMO, he has been vilified because he happens to be a wealthy man and for some unknown reason some people simply do not like rich people and like to see them fall.

I think he stayed out of the investigation. Only answering questions when asked and waited along with everyone else for the outcome.

Maybe if the Z family had gone to Jonah and asked him nicely for his help on getting the case re-opened they would have had a better chance of him cooperating with them even though he may fully agree that LE worked hard to come to the right determination and has accepted the COD/MOD on each one.

But that is not what has happened.

They hired an attorney instead who has said many untoward things about the Shacknai family but has yet to produce any facts to back them up.

So who really has created the divide that now exist? Imo, it is not JS. He has said nothing disrespectful about Rebecca or her family. He has not aired his and Rebecca's relationship or the relationship she had with his children on nightly cable shows or on some gossip on line site ether.

While the Zahau family have every right to pursue reopening the case ....they do not have a right to falsely accuse anyone just to get that media attention they think they need.

IMO

Beautifully written, right on the money, and I totally agree. I couldn't have said it any better. Thank you.

 

[SunnieRN]

BBM

Why don't they say she was gone before MS accident? XZ knows who was there and when they left that morning.

Precisely. She does know and no one knows what she told the lawyer.

ITA!

This could have only been said to hurt Dina Shacknai. Why else would someone say such a horrible thing?

While I know without a shadow of a doubt that my two stepdaughters loves me deeply....... I would never ever say such a thing as Rebecca's sister did for all the world to read. That is just plain mean and cruel to a mother who has lost her only child and Max is no longer living to even be able to tell everyone how much he truly loved his mom.

These were very insensitive.. hurtful statements which were highly unnecessary.

Has anyone on this board ever spoken, only to realize that what you said, may be misinterpreted, or should have been left unsaid, or may not have come across the way you meant it too?

Rebecca's family, is not media savvy, they are not used to the words they say being broadcast around the world.

They are upset, grieving and I believe that Rebecca's sister, while speaking out of turn, was trying to say how much Rebecca loved Max and that he loved her also.

I haven't heard that she was vicious in the way she said it.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Any one noticed this?
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

Search Warrants: Some media agencies have expressed an interest in seeking release of search warrants through the Superior Court. For your convenience, the search warrant numbers are 41227 (Downtown Court) and 11-164 & 11-165 (South Bay Branch).

 

[deanna82437]

Any one noticed this?
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

Search warrants? Hmmm .. time issued, maybe? Could it have something to do with the pics of no rope/rope?

 

[CDS22]

An interesting article written by a lawyer called "Stop Calling It Murder".

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bysitter-rebecca-zahau-s-death-no-murder.html

 

[sorrell skye]

According to Valhall (Hinky Meter), standard doorknob height (even in older, historical homes) is 36" from the floor, and standard interior door height is 80".

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/09/09/rebecca-zahau-case-how-maxs-accident-didnt-happen/

To me, the door in the pic looks to be a five-panel raised panel door.

Here are my calculations:

If Valhall is correct, and the door is a standard 80" door, then subtracting 36" (door knob height) from 80" (door height) leaves 44" of door above the door knob.

When I look @ the painted door pic, it looks like the message was painted at about the halfway mark of the upper portion of the door (22 inches above the door knob), so I'm guestimating that the message was painted at a height of about 58".

Anyone else want to take a crack at it?

 

[deanna82437]

An interesting article written by a lawyer called "Stop Calling It Murder".

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...bysitter-rebecca-zahau-s-death-no-murder.html

Well, Roy Black is not all that believable IMHO. Perhaps getting his name back into the spotlight? Been a while. Sorry, just my suspicious mind. :crazy:
Thanks for the link.

 

[CDS22]

Another interesting article that explains why there could only have been Rebecca's prints on the rope, paintbrush, etc.:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/sep/03/officials-sure-bizarre-case-suicide-family-unconvi/

 

[CDS22]

Well, Roy Black is not all that believable IMHO. Perhaps getting his name back into the spotlight? Been a while. Sorry, just my suspicious mind. :crazy:
Thanks for the link.

Regardless of who wrote it, it's the evidence that mattters. I think he does a good job of presenting the facts.

 

[SophieRose]

The room with the rope tied to the bed doesn't look "neat and orderly." Overturned chair, towel, paint brushes, knives, garbage bag and a tube of paint on the floor.

If this was a planned murder to look like a suicide, why didn't the perp turn the chair back over? It would not have taken any time to do that.

 

[IWannaKnow]

I know this was mentioned by someone else, but why didn't that t-shirt have paint on it? Wouldn't that be the last thing you did, stuff that into your mouth just before going over the railing? If she had paint all over her fingers, torso and back even, how did she not get paint on the t-shirt? Dried already?

What would be a logical order for all this?
Take off clothes, leave on floor, go take shower.
Get out of shower, see message on phone.
Read message, freak out.
Go to kitchen, get garbage bag, two knives - just in case
Go to garage - naked - find unused tow rope, add to bag
Back into house for paint and two paint brushes - just in case
Up back stairwell to bedroom with cell phone - naked
Paint message on door
Cut rope into three unequal pieces - why no paint on rope?
Tie longest piece to foot of bed
Sit in chair, on top of blanket in chair, bind feet
Turn chair over getting out of chair
Hop over and put noose around neck
Tie t-shirt over noose and wrap around neck three times
Do elaborate tying of hands, remove one and put behind back
Hop or hobble over to balcony
Hop out to railing without touching anything else
Dive over railing


In writing this out, I realized that I had been thinking she might have put the tshirt on after the shower and saw the phone before she could get further. HOWEVER, that makes me think she would have done the prep in the tshirt. Once again, no paint on shirt and if she tied the noose around her neck then pulled the shirt up to gag herself with, the rope would have been running through the body of the shirt. It wasn't. Why would she tie the shirt around her neck with the sleeves, then wind that around her neck three times and then place it in her mouth? Don't want it to slip?

And what do you think about the fact that this was done in the former "servants quarters"? Is that yet another message? There were other balconies in the home she could have utilized. And the fact that that door to the left of the stairs is sorta the nexus of all of this. The powder room she was using was there, Max fell right outside of it, the only way to the room she used is off this back entryway and it's exterior door opens right out onto the courtyard where she was found. It was also the servants entrance.

 

[deanna82437]

Regardless of who wrote it, it's the evidence that mattters. I think he does a good job of presenting the facts.

No offense to you, really, but I'm beginning to believe that evidence in this case is not necessarily the facts as they actually happened. JMHO

 

[elfie]

bbm

I brought this up in an earlier thread. If you look at the photo (sheriff's website page) you can see the larger paintbrush has black paint globbed on it.

The odd placement of the paint splotches make no sense, the same with the paint on her body. How did it get on her back? Unless she was laid down on the floor and the paint transferred from the floor to her body?

Time for me to catch up--

Seriously, excellent questions! How did it get on her back?

I really don't think an artist would lay paint laden brushes on a carpet, or transfer the paint from the tube directly to the brush. To me, nothing about the painting scenario suggests an artist. Not the manner in which the utensils were handled, or the height of the message, or the message being reported as askew from center. Her family denies that the handwriting is even remotely similar to anything they have ever seen produced by her.

 

[i.b.nora]

Well, Roy Black is not all that believable IMHO. Perhaps getting his name back into the spotlight? Been a while. Sorry, just my suspicious mind. :crazy:
Thanks for the link.

I totally agree with you on both accounts. I have noticed his name popping up lately after years of mostly out of the spotlight. It might have started last year when his wife was one of the so-called Real Housewives of Miami.

 

[branwynbreeze]

Quote respectfully snipped from Ocean:
Now the sister is putting out that Max really wanted to be around Rebecca more than his mother. Is that an appropriate thing to say when a mother has lost her only son?

My response: Perhaps they are trying to goad DS. Seems JS is working hard to bury everything and move on while some are not ready.

 

[elfie]

Thanks elfie. I couldn't have done it without the work Val did. She did an excellent job.

The scooter as a lever would propel Max much further than simply falling over the railing in my humble opinion. And I would think that the combination of a 7 pound scooter and a 45 pound boy would be enough to take the chandelier down with them.

Even if it could be proven that Rebecca killed Max intentionally or through negligence, two wrongs don't make a right. That ain't how we roll on WS.

Bears repeating & BBM. Great work, again!

 

[CDS22]

No offense to you, really, but I'm beginning to believe that evidence in this case is not necessarily the facts as they actually happened. JMHO

Well then it wouldn't really be evidence, would it? I guess what I'm saying is that some things are just scientifically true regardless of opinion, and the things that are truly evidence are scientifically sound.

Are you saying that you believe evidence was tampered with?

 

[sorrell skye]

Well now we know who told investigators that Rebeccca had lost weight back in January.

She [Mary Zahau] added, “...I think they [investigators] blew it out of proportion by picking out the line where my other sister said she had lost some weight in January... they kind of picked and chose what would support their conclusion of a suicide. They did not look at the whole picture at all.”

http://www.examiner.com/us-headline...-was-a-christian-and-knew-only-god-could-save

 

[IWannaKnow]

Time for me to catch up--

Seriously, excellent questions! How did it get on her back?

I really don't think an artist would lay paint laden brushes on a carpet, or transfer the paint from the tube directly to the brush. To me, nothing about the painting scenario suggests an artist. Not the manner in which the utensils were handled, or the height of the message, or the message being reported as askew from center. Her family denies that the handwriting is even remotely similar to anything they have ever seen produced by her.

I envision her standing in the hallway, nude, with the paint brush in one hand and stopping to rest, puts her hand on her back (hip) to contemplate her message.

Or else someone else put it there.

 

[CDS22]

Time for me to catch up--

Seriously, excellent questions! How did it get on her back?

I really don't think an artist would lay paint laden brushes on a carpet, or transfer the paint from the tube directly to the brush. To me, nothing about the painting scenario suggests an artist. Not the manner in which the utensils were handled, or the height of the message, or the message being reported as askew from center. Her family denies that the handwriting is even remotely similar to anything they have ever seen produced by her.

Acrylic paint is almost always squeezed from the tube directly onto the brush, particularly when painting block letters or signs. That's the beauty of acrylic paint - it gives a nice, solid block of color.

Also, artists who paint in block letters are painting in form, meaning that it doesn't resemble one's handwriting at all. A good artist can duplicate a font so that it will appear to be produced by a machine because the letters will be precise. You wouldn't be able to tell block letter painting (if done by someone who knows art) from one artist to another.

My humble two cents as an artist.