CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #11

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  • #501
I am curious what LE determined to be the 'suspicious' part of the death. And how did they resolve that part to determine it to be a suicide.

I think because of the timing (Max' grave fall) and the unusualness of it made it suspicious warranting a death investigation in order to come to a determination of suicide or homicide.

I think they resolved it when they discovered no signs of struggle was seen on the balcony and found no other evidence that any other person was involved and only found the fingerprints and DNA of Rebecca's on the pertinent items used.

IMO
 
  • #502
BBM

I don't recall LE saying that anything specific about the quality of Rebecca's fingerprints--whether whole or partial, etc. Do you have a link for that information?

Re the gloves, it has not been determined what type of gloves a perp may have been wearing at the time. But I am curious about the information you provided and would appreciate a link for your statement. TIA

IMO, here has been no evidence discovered that anyone else was in the mansion, at the time Rebecca died because no one was looking for it at the time.

No I don't, sdcal but they were identifiable so there was enough of the prints there for them to come to the determination they belonged to Rebecca. They would take her fingerprints when the autopsy on her was done.

Someone has already put up a link about the possible use of gloves and how in certain cases they can leave impressions and be identifiable. I am sorry I cant remember who the poster was at this time. (Not enough coffee this morning, I guess, lol)

I don't think gloves were used though. JMO
 
  • #503
..i think it if was cleaned up before LE arrived they would have had to vacuum to get all of the little pieces out of the carpet.

..i have no experience with cutting "marine tow rope" with a knife---but when my kids even cut craft ropes, it leaves behind a little pile of 'shavings' or tiny end pieces-----a vacuum works best to get them cleaned up.

I agree. And if there are none, IMO, then it was not cut in the bedroom, or brought to the house cut and none of the knives on the premises were used to cut the knife. Same with the knife used to cut Rebecca down. Were there shavings there? anywhere?
 
  • #504
I am still puzzled with this: the ME determined that he landed face first on the ground. Rebecca found him and had to turn him over onto his back to begin Rescue Breathing/CPR. When the EMT's arrived he was ALREADY MOVED onto his back...she had already flipped him over...YET the scooter was noted as being on his shin (right shin in one official report and left shin in another report...(that part is confusing enough) However, when the EMT's arrived they stated he was on his back AND the scooter was lying on his shin. My concern/point is how the scooter ended up on Maxie's shin AFTER he was found by Rebecca and turned over onto his back. Why would it be on his shin at that point? Would she have any reason to place the razor on his shin after he was moved onto his back to perform CPR? Does not add up...IMO
WHY would Rebecca place the scooter on his shin after she turned him over? If she did not place the scooter on his shin, how did it get there? Imagine how confusing this would be for DS and JS to comprehend...it does not add up...I hope I have explained this clearly...any ideas to help clarify...very strange...IMO it lends itself to a staged scenario..

I am with you. I can only surmise that the scooter was laying in the vicinity when he fell and perhaps when he was flipped over, his foot hooked onto the handlebars or under one of the wheels and brought it over onto his shin at that time. It is a very puzzling aspect and I know if Maxie were my son, I would want all of my questions answered too.
 
  • #505
I thought Rebecca did not remember if he was on his back or she turned him over. Is that incorrect? i would imagine under those circumstances, I would not remember either. I think Max was an accident. It does not take long for a child to get into real trouble.
That is not the question. That is Rebecca. I think she was murdered. There was time in there for someone to plan it, if they got word that Max was not going to make it, or if he died without being forwarned. There is enough money in the picture for it to have been professionally done. I think that it was a hit. MOO.
 
  • #506
Does anyone know what happened to Inobu?

Also I think there are many questions here that have not been answered by the investigation I don't care if there were 20 Law Enforcement agencys involved!

Where are the good investigagive reporters and I think Rebecca's family need to hire a investigative PI. Isn't there a group of retired detectives with tremendous forensic expertise in cases like this? Seems like I've read about them somewhere.

And...I'm so sorry but as far as I'm concerned (I'll never get over this) the kind of investigation that leaves a naked woman uncovered without a tarp or tent leaves me furious and questioning every investigative agency involved that day that happened.

Any local funeral home could have provided a tarp to put over her to prevent her body from being seen by media helicopters and all the neighbors. There was no excuse for that under any conditions!

Where was the digging and raking and scouring the areas near her body for any little tiny bit of dropped evidence, etc.???

Where were the shavings dropped from cutting down the rope? You guys have made excellent points.
 
  • #507
No I don't, sdcal but they were identifiable so there was enough of the prints there for them to come to the determination they belonged to Rebecca. They would take her fingerprints when the autopsy on her was done.

Someone has already put up a link about the possible use of gloves and how in certain cases they can leave impressions and be identifiable. I am sorry I cant remember who the poster was at this time. (Not enough coffee this morning, I guess, lol)

I don't think gloves were used though. JMO

Well, perhaps the room was completely wiped down for prints after the "crime" was completed and then Becky's fingerprints were strategically placed on the key items to used as evidence. IMO...for her fingerprints to be the only set in existence at the scene would be next to impossible...where are Adam's?? He had to touch Becky or the rope?...I know this has been noted before...just reminding ...
 
  • #508
Does anyone know what happened to Inobu?

Also I think there are many questions here that have not been answered by the investigation I don't care if there were 20 Law Enforcement agencys involved!

Where are the good investigagive reporters and I think Rebecca's family need to hire a investigative PI. Isn't there a group of retired detectives with tremendous forensic expertise in cases like this? Seems like I've read about them somewhere.

And...I'm so sorry but as far as I'm concerned (I'll never get over this) the kind of investigation that leaves a naked woman uncovered without a tarp or tent leaves me furious and questioning every investigative agency involved that day that happened.

Any local funeral home could have provided a tarp to put over her to prevent her body from being seen by media helicopters and all the neighbors. There was no excuse for that under any conditions!

Where was the digging and raking and scouring the areas near her body for any little tiny bit of dropped evidence, etc.???

Where were the shavings dropped from cutting down the rope? You guys have made excellent points.

I really don't think the homicide team would have entered the premises or the backyard without securing a search warrant signed off by a Judge first. That takes time. The police have to write up an affidavit attachment stating why the SW is necessary then they have to find a Judge who says there is probable cause for the SW. Then it has to make its way back to the property in question to the correct person

This would take time to do.

At the first we only saw LE at the front of the mansion putting up crime scene tape boundaries in front. I think they were waiting outside the premises for the search warrant to be delivered.

I think the media helicopter flew over before that could be in place and they very well could have covered her up after then.

Also it would take time to get a medical examiner to the scene. It isn't like San Diego doesn't have many other deaths that requires autopsies to be done. I imagine the ME office is quite busy.

IMO
 
  • #509
I think because of the timing (Max' grave fall) and the unusualness of it made it suspicious warranting a death investigation in order to come to a determination of suicide or homicide.

I think they resolved it when they discovered no signs of struggle was seen on the balcony and found no other evidence that any other person was involved and only found the fingerprints and DNA of Rebecca's on the pertinent items used.

IMO

If the glaring errors and inconsistencies are obvious to most of us..how could this investigation (taxpayer's paid for) be considered complete...it is fraught with apparent errors and obvious blunders to "untrained" eyes...an insult to us all..Even the premise of the 12:50am voicemail...which was conveniently deleted..an is noted to have propelled Becky to kill herself (instead of calling Jonah back?) was based on inaccurate information. According the the official reports, Max's condition was unchanged from when he was admitted to the hospital..as has been stated here back a few posts..this investigation is a mockery of the "justice" system and an embarrassment to those involved in closing the case..truly unbelievable that it could occur in 2011...just MHO
 
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I really don't think the homicide team would have entered the premises or the backyard without securing a search warrant signed off by a Judge first. That takes time. The police have to write up an affidavit attachment stating why the SW is necessary then they have to find a Judge who says there is probable cause for the SW. Then it has to make its way back to the property in question to the correct person

This would take time to do.

At the first we only saw LE at the front of the mansion putting up crime scene tape boundaries in front. I think they were waiting outside the premises for the search warrant to be delivered.

I think the media helicopter flew over before that could be in place and they very well could have covered her up after then.

Also it would take time to get a medical examiner to the scene. It isn't like San Diego doesn't have many other deaths that requires autopsies to be done. I imagine the ME office is quite busy.

IMO

BBM

I'm sure it's true about the search warrant. Do we/anyone know what time the search warrants were issued?

It did take some time for the ME to arrive at the scene. 12 hours
Seems an extremely long time even for a busy ME. Makes a person wonder and question things.

Back to thinking and watching other horrific events .. 9/11/2001.
 
  • #512
12 hours is much too long especially if one wants to pin point the time of death. And we all know how important a time of death can be in a potential murder investigation. What if there were persons with alibis for some part of the night but not for other parts?
 
  • #513
If the glaring errors and inconsistencies are obvious to most of us..how could this investigation (taxpayer's paid for) be considered complete...it is fraught with apparent errors and obvious blunders to "untrained" eyes...an insult to us all..Even the premise of the 12:50am voicemail...which was conveniently deleted..an is noted to have propelled Becky to kill herself (instead of calling Jonah back?) was based on inaccurate information. According the the official reports, Max's condition was unchanged from when he was admitted to the hospital...

ITA. I don't see anything in the autopsy report that would support what was presented to us by LE in their power point presentation. LE presented that the message informed RN about imminent death of Max which was contrary to previous more positive reports. There is nothing in the autopsy report to suggest that initial reports were positive. Or that anything happened before the supposed message to indicate the changes the child's condition for the worse. His brain death was declared several days after the message was left.
 
  • #514
If the glaring errors and inconsistencies are obvious to most of us..how could this investigation (taxpayer's paid for) be considered complete...it is fraught with apparent errors and obvious blunders to "untrained" eyes...an insult to us all..Even the premise of the 12:50am voicemail...which was conveniently deleted..an is noted to have propelled Becky to kill herself (instead of calling Jonah back?) was based on inaccurate information. According the the official reports, Max's condition was unchanged from when he was admitted to the hospital..as has been stated here back a few posts..this investigation is a mockery of the "justice" system and an embarrassment to those involved in closing the case..truly unbelievable that it could occur in 2011...just MHO

I don't think so. Whomever placed that call to Rebecca would have that call on their phone records and it would be easy to ascertain by asking the hospital staff when the family was told they were going to have to accept that Max was going to pass away because his condition had not improved. I am sure like all loving parents Jonah and Dina prayed for a miracle and held out hope as long as they could.

I do respect your opinion that the investigation was not what you agree with but I never expected them to put out every detail especially since the death had been ruled a suicide.

I think they did prove no one else was there at the time and no one touched the balcony or the things Rebecca used but Rebecca herself.

IMO
 
  • #515
I don't think so. Whomever placed that call to Rebecca would have that call on their phone records and it would be easy to ascertain by asking the hospital staff when the family was told they were going to have to accept that Max was going to pass away because his condition had not improved. I am sure like all loving parents Jonah and Dina prayed for a miracle and help out hope as long as they could.

I do respect your opinion that the investigation was not what you agree with but I never expected them to put out every detail especially since the death had been ruled a suicide.

I think they did prove no one else was there at the time and no one touched the balcony or the things Rebecca used but Rebecca herself.

IMO
It would be easy to ascertain but what makes you think police ever did? For instance, they've used a statement that RN stopped exercising in January as a proof of her depression, apparently without going to the gym and ascertaining that she was exercising regularly in the summer prior to "suicide."
 
  • #516
Maybe the chair was overturned and meant to be turned back but in the panic of getting the hello out of the house, the perp neglected to do so.

Or, maybe the purpose of the overturned chair was to make the scene so hinky that none of the dots connect. Two knives, two paintbrushes, some paint smears, an overturned chair, a cell phone on the floor, odd sets of footprints, a cryptic message, a towel left in the hall. Carefully wound bindings, a showered body.

I have not studied the facts surrounding suicides. However, I wonder how many of those who bind themselves have similar bindings to Rebecca. How many have painted a message. How many are naked women. How many hang naked outside?

I have a few thoughts about this that are nothing more than thoughts. I'm still on the fence about whether or not Rebecca committed suicide, although I have begun leaning towards her death being suicide the more that I read here.

Anyway, I actually have heard about quite a few naked suicides committed by women in Korea. My husband and I used to travel to Korea, China, and Japan quite a bit and you'd be surprised at the rate of suicides that happen throughout Asia. Women commit suicide just as much or little bit more, in fact, than men do in those regions. Almost all of the deaths are hanging, slashing the wrists in the tub, or leaping to their deaths, in the nude. Some of those suicides have had bindings.

I remember being in Korea when one woman was reported to have been found nude and bound, hanging to her death. My husband and I obviously assumed it had been murder, but our host told us that bound suicides were not unsual. Apparently, slip knots can be used so that hands and feet can maneuver just fine until the person leaps to his/her death. Up until that point, I had been very naive about suicides. I still am, to some degree.

I think we have to caution against judging Rebecca by our standards, because it should be noted that she was born in another country and didn't come to the US til she was an adult. What we might think a woman might never do, might be quite common in Rebecca's culture or mindset.

So I do believe Rebecca had the personal make-up for suicide, and that she very well could have killed herself in the manner that has been claimed. However, just because something's possible doesn't mean it actually happened, and I'm reserving judgement til more information becomes available.
 
  • #517
I am not going to add it to "cultural differences." If it was so common why are her sisters so shocked?
 
  • #518
you have a forum now so please feel free to break out the specific topics related to this case.Lots of information to track.

You are here-->[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=456"]Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
  • #519
I understand what you mean. Maxie's death may be harder to figure out because it was never investigated at the time.

Sad as it is, if a crime or murder occurs in your home, the evidence and scene are processed, but LE do not do any clean up. In fact, it is left to the property owner, however there are companies that can be hired to do that.

I wonder why they didn't hire a clean up crew. According to Rebecca's sister, their younger 13 year old sister had cuts and wounds on her hands that needed to be cleaned and cared for by the sister who's a nurse. I wonder why they didn't hire a crew, and take the 13 year old to the hospital to get her hands treated.
 
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