Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #22

[Gardener1850]

The weirdest part to me is LE's handling of the case as far as statements, posters requesting info etc...as if they are unsure any crime was committed. At face value, it has the makings of a horrendous crime yet LE seems not to think so. So what the H is going on and why would a year pass without LE knowing one way or the other?

BBM. Can you or anyone else who thinks LE is not handing this case seriously or as a crime please quote something from the recent press release that seems to indicate that? Here is it once again: https://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/li...estigation-update---october-2017.pdf?sfvrsn=0

When I read just the above it seems like they are treating this as a serious crime and still investigating. But maybe I am missing something.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

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Just unbelievable ... I know bandannas have similar patterns ... but seriously ... just a few days before SP is "abducted" the entire family are wearing bandannas !

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ETA: Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...0k-reward.html

 

[gitana1]

People do a lot of odd things to make money. I don't think she was involved with trimming work, but there are many other perfectly legal things that she could be doing that she would not want to be public info. I'd rather not speculate on what the work was specifically, but perhaps her side-work got her into trouble somehow with the people who abducted her. IDK. It is a puzzler. Have we heard anything about LE interviewing previous employers or coworkers of Sherri or of KP? I can't recall, but it seems like that would be standard practice to rule out a workplace connection. She was employed by AT&T and we don't know why she stopped working there.

I'm sure LE has investigated all that. They have several sealed subpoenas.
It would be interesting to know.

Yeah, Even if you view SP's condition in a light most favorable to her, there really is no reason to keep her? Does she have a head injury and possible brain swelling? No. Are her vitals normal? Yes. Any concerns from the blood work? No.

You give her fluids if she appears dehydrated. If her nose is dislocated, you set it. If the bruises show no sign of an infection, there's nothing to do in treating them except time. The brand - put antibiotic and maybe a bandage on it. And that's it.

Trust me, I have concerns about this case, but the lack of a hospital stay is not one of them. What would the doctors and nurses have been able to do for her by keeping her? Absolutely nothing, even if everything she said happened to her actually did.

Yes. I understand you. But in my experience in the ER, all of that takes a huge amount of time. It's not a matter of "you just set it." Every thing takes time and several things involve different departments. She was severely battered. From head to toe. I have asthma. Whether urgent care or the ER, from the time I am brought back to a cubicle or room until the time I am assessed by the first nurse (after initial vitals) is at a minimum half an hour. Then half an hour until the doctor gets there. Then theres the treatment itself.

But SP didn't have one thing happening. She must've had several. And various detectives involved. The short stay makes no sense to me.

Failing to admit her so that she can have a private room for investigative purposes and evidence collecting doesn't make much sense to me either.

That being said, the sheriff never denied the gravity of her injuries and while he didn't specifically agree to all of what KP stated, that is understandable as he was protecting the investigation.

There are crackpots or there who would admit to crazy things they never did. Think that wacko from Thailand who claimed he killed Jon Benet Ramsey.

By not publicizing the specifics, they can weed or the loonies. KP blew that. Which really upset LE. But he seems to be dramatic IMO. And maybe also super angry that people were suspicious so he wanted to shut the public up by describing her ordeal.

It was very specific and described some intense injuries. It would be difficult to cause all of those on your own. I mean people have done some crazy things but I don't know. It tends to back up her claims.

 

[Gardener1850]

I'm sure LE has investigated all that. They have several sealed subpoenas.
It would be interesting to know.

RSBM. Yes, I'm sure that they have. From the recent press release:

The Sheriff’s Office utilized all appropriate resources to determine whether Sherri’s disappearance was voluntary or involuntary to include, but not limited to, looking into the Papini’s personal lives,
interviewing friends, family members, past acquaintances and witnesses and reviewing
surveillance video where available, as well as other pertinent information. Over 20 search warrants were executed in the effort to determine Sherri’s whereabouts. The search warrants remain sealed by order of the Shasta County Superior Court.

https://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/li...estigation-update---october-2017.pdf?sfvrsn=0

Does 20 seem excessive in a case like this? Or too few? Does this indicate they searched 20+ actual locations or could this include electrical device searches?

(ETA: And I notice the above does not mention coworkers or past employers, though they could be included with "acquaintances" I suppose)

 

[Cannonball3804]

I'm sure LE has investigated all that. They have several sealed subpoenas.
It would be interesting to know.



Yes. I understand you. But in my experience in the ER, all of that takes a huge amount of time. It's not a matter of "you just set it." Every thing takes time and several things involve different departments. She was severely battered. From head to toe. I have asthma. Whether urgent care or the ER, from the time I am brought back to a cubicle or room until the time I am
assessed by the first nurse (after initial vitals) is at a minimum half an hour. Then half an hour until the doctor gets there. Then theres the treatment itself.

But SP didn't have one thing happening. She must've had several. And various detectives involved. The short stay makes no sense to me.

That being said, the sheriff never denied the gravity of her injuries and while he didn't specifically agree to all of what KP stated, that is understandable as he was protecting the investigation.

There are crackpots or there who would admit to crazy things they never did. Think that wacko from Thailand who claimed he killed Jon Benet Ramsey.

By not publicizing the specifics, they can weed or the loonies. KP blew that. Which really upset LE. But he seems to be dramatic IMO. And maybe also super angry that people were suspicious so he wanted to shut the public up by describing her ordeal.

It was very specific and described some intense injuries. It would be difficult to cause all of those on your own. I mean people have done some crazy things but I don't know. It tends to back up her claims.

You used yourself as an example, but here's the thing: you're not Sherri Papini. She was an extremely high profile person, and so LE and the hospital under the urging of LE would have made her Priority #1. She was moved to the front of the line with each department. Everything was expedited.

Think of it this way - if a woman is battered in a domestic violence situation, her stay at a hospital is typically a matter of hours, unless it's something life-threatening. And as described, SP's injuries sound as if they're pretty comparable.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

I'm sorry. It makes no sense that they cut her hair to "shame" her but left it shoulder length. Sounds more like her appearance was slightly changed to not stand out. If they were going to shame her they'd shave her head. Period.



She was coughing up blood. Branded. Battered intensively. Broken nose. Injuries in various stages of healing. Emotionally destroyed by her ordeal. And they send her right home? It doesn't make sense to me. Too many things about this case don't make sense. I mean if it was one thing or even two, ok. But there are so many inconsistencies and strange things.

Sigh. I don't know what to think.

I'm sorry. It makes alot of sense to me, considering how hard it would be to shave someone's hair off. Chopping it off would be far easier in my opinion. If Sherri loved her hair, which I'm certain she did, it would be humilating to have it chopped off to shoulder length. But to each their own. I guess we'd have to see a picture of Sherri (preferrably the day she was released) to see exactly what was done to her hair, how exactly it was cut, how bad it looked, that kind of thing. MOO

 

[Gardener1850]

I think the haircut was a practical move to make it easier to care for her hair while she was chained up. She had something around her waist that connected to the hose clamps at her wrists. If they left her hair at waist length it would be all tangled in the restraints in a matter of minutes. They might have even cut it off after it got badly tangled. She may have very well FELT shamed when they chopped her waist length hair to shoulder length but without knowing more about how and when it was done it is hard to say that the hair cutting was only done to shame her. JMO.

 

[gitana1]

RSBM. Yes, I'm sure that they have. From the recent press release:


https://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/li...estigation-update---october-2017.pdf?sfvrsn=0

Does 20 seem excessive in a case like this? Or too few? Does this indicate they searched 20+ actual locations or could this include electrical device searches?

(ETA: And I notice the above does not mention coworkers or past employers, though they could be included with "acquaintances" I suppose)

It sounds normal to me for a case like this. And they stated many were for electronic stuff.

You used yourself as an example, but here's the thing: you're not Sherri Papini. She was an extremely high profile person, and so LE and the hospital under the urging of LE would have made her Priority #1. She was moved to the front of the line with each department. Everything was expedited.

Think of it this way - if a woman is battered in a domestic violence situation, her stay at a hospital is typically a matter of hours, unless it's something life-threatening. And as described, SP's injuries sound as if they're pretty comparable.

Yeah, that is why I was careful not to include the hours waiting in the waiting room, knowing that SP would've not had to have done that.

Regardless, she is not going to go to the front of the line in front of car accidents, drug overdoses, heart attacks, children having breathing issues, gun shot victims, strokes.

We all know what the ER is like. They're going to take the people at risk of death first. She had to wait.

And once again, that is a long list of things they'd likely have to do to her. Priority or not. All of that takes time. And wouldn't be done at the same time.

 

[asmama]

I'm sorry. It makes alot of sense to me, considering how hard it would be to shave someone's hair off. Chopping it off would be far easier in my opinion. If Sherri loved her hair, which I'm certain she did, it would be humilating to have it chopped off to shoulder length. But to each their own. I guess we'd have to see a picture of Sherri (preferrably the day she was released) to see exactly what was done to her hair, how exactly it was cut, how bad it looked, that kind of thing. MOO

I've always felt that cutting her hair was never an attempt to alter her identity, but was done to either prove a point or shame her. Or, they may not have had the tools to shave it...? If it were two women, who is to say they owned clippers that were capable of shaving a whole head of hair? I'm a female and don't own clippers. We have some, but they belong to my boyfriend. I have razors for shaving my legs, etc., but it would be somewhat difficult to shave a woman's head with those, IMO.

 

[gitana1]

I'm sorry. It makes alot of sense to me, considering how hard it would be to shave someone's hair off. Chopping it off would be far easier in my opinion. If Sherri loved her hair, which I'm certain she did, it would be humilating to have it chopped off to shoulder length. But to each their own. I guess we'd have to see a picture of Sherri (preferrably the day she was released) to see exactly what was done to her hair, how exactly it was cut, how bad it looked, that kind of thing. MOO

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Shaving a head is easy. But if they were going to go with a hair cut to "shame" her, they'd have hacked it close to her head. Not shoulder length.

 

[gitana1]

I've always felt that cutting her hair was never an attempt to alter her identity, but was done to either prove a point or shame her. If it were two women, who is to say they owned clippers that were capable of shaving a whole head of hair? I'm a female and don't own clippers. We have some, but they belong to my boyfriend. I have razors for shaving my legs, etc., but it would be somewhat difficult to shave a woman's head with those, IMO.

If you were trying to shame someone would you cut their hair shoulder length? Or cropped close to their head? So even if they didn't have access to clippers (but did have chains, hose clamps, extra clothes, a place to keep her for weeks, etc), that's fine. I accept that. But shoulder length? I guarantee that when KP stated her "signature long blonde hair" was cut to "shame" her no one thought of a manageable bob.

We've all seen what happens to prisoners of war, kids shamed by abusive parents, etc. It's not just a haircut.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Truth to all you've stated.

People have mentioned the marijuana industry a few times and making money during trimming season. Lots of people do it. They trim on farms to make extra money. It's seasonal. Ends in mid-November.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/248175/

$200.00 per pound trimmed to the trimmer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/matado...season-trimming-weed-humbolt-county-like/amp/

I've scoffed at the suggestion that she was involved in something like that. It sounds silly to me. SP? Middle class supermom? Conservative based on her social media. It doesn't fit.

But I'm trying to come up with anything that could explain this. There are some sketchy people involved in the industry. Some very normal people too but those who come to trim, well they're a motley group so I've heard. Is it possible she got involved with someone through that who could've done something to her for some unknown reason? Maybe to take her earnings or because they were high as a kite on meth?

I don't think so but I'm grasping.

Had no idea. Wow. This is something that The Penny Hoarder never mentions! Haha.

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[cluciano63]

When I had lost 12 of my 115 lbs between monthly doctor visits, she wanted to put me in the hospital for a few days. And I was otherwise healthy, just had trouble adjusting to meds. So it is weird that she was not kept and put on IV's for a night or two especially with other injuries. Jmo

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Just a few hours for:

1. A standard check up.
2. A rape kit and DNA testing.
3. X-rays and possible MRI due to the extreme battering and broken nose.
4. If she had lost so much weight, I imagine IV fluids for dehydration.
5. Photographing her condition and cataloguing her injuries for the police report/investigation.
6. Collection of her clothing for the investigation.
7. Mental health assessment and assistance/meds due to extreme distress.
8. Blood or other testing including testing to rule out other reasons for coughing up blood from screaming.
9. Treatment for physical exhaustion.
10. Treatment of her extensive injuries/bruises/broken bone/branding.

Im not an expert but that all takes a looong time. I mean we've all been to the ER many times in our lives for ourselves, kids, parents, what have you. We all know how long it takes. Especially around holidays when people are drinking more and having more mental health issues/fights, overindulging, etc.

But SP was never even admitted to the hospital. Just treated and released after some hours.

I don't know. I suppose it's possible but it seems to indicate her injuries weren't as severe as KP so dramatically described.

It's possible she refused a lot of this. It's also possible that she simply said she wasn't staying, wanted to be home after her ordeal, see the kids, etc. (Contrary to what some hospitals will tell you, the insurance does not refuse to pay if you refuse further treatment and walk out. I did quite a bit of research on this myself after being told this once. Many employees have been led to believe this and aren't actively lying about it because they believe it, but there's no evidence to support the claim.)

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[Stripehaven]

I'm sorry. It makes alot of sense to me, considering how hard it would be to shave someone's hair off. Chopping it off would be far easier in my opinion. If Sherri loved her hair, which I'm certain she did, it would be humilating to have it chopped off to shoulder length. But to each their own. I guess we'd have to see a picture of Sherri (preferrably the day she was released) to see exactly what was done to her hair, how exactly it was cut, how bad it looked, that kind of thing. MOO

I wonder how the kidnappers came to know that Sherri's signature long blonde hair was such a BFD. And once they did know, if they decided to use that to humiliate her (???? Why???? Why is that "humiliating".?? Upsetting, sure. But c'mon), why give her a normal 'do like a shoulder-length cut? Shaving would be a hassle but you could hack it short with scissors so it looked awful. Hell, that happens by accident in salons all the time &#128515; . So yeah, I think it was done as a lame disguise, or to make care easier.

I am with those who would love to know if her legs etc. were shaved when she was released.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

When I had lost 12 of my 115 lbs between monthly doctor visits, she wanted to put me in the hospital for a few days. And I was otherwise healthy, just had trouble adjusting to meds. So it is weird that she was not kept and put on IV's for a night or two especially with other injuries. Jmo

I lost more than that a year ago, and had other serious symptoms. While my doctors were concerned, none of them wanted to hospitalize me.

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[Stripehaven]

It sounds normal to me for a case like this. And they stated many were for electronic stuff.



Yeah, that is why I was careful not to include the hours waiting in the waiting room, knowing that SP would've not had to have done that.

Regardless, she is not going to go to the front of the line in front of car accidents, drug overdoses, heart attacks, children having breathing issues, gun shot victims, strokes.

We all know what the ER is like. They're going to take the people at risk of death first. She had to wait.

And once again, that is a long list of things they'd likely have to do to her. Priority or not. All of that takes time. And wouldn't be done at the same time.

You also made a good point above that you would expect her to be taken somewhere private for investigative purposes. You can hear way too much from other cubicles in an ER.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I'm sorry. It makes no sense that they cut her hair to "shame" her but left it shoulder length. Sounds more like her appearance was slightly changed to not stand out. If they were going to shame her they'd shave her head. Period.



She was coughing up blood. Branded. Battered intensively. Broken nose. Injuries in various stages of healing. Emotionally destroyed by her ordeal. And they send her right home? It doesn't make sense to me. Too many things about this case don't make sense. I mean if it was one thing or even two, ok. But there are so many inconsistencies and strange things.

Sigh. I don't know what to think.

Well, good thing she wasn't sexually assaulted... No rape kit...

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[Rayemonde]

SP did have a lot of short hairstyles saved on one of her pinterest boards, as though she was already thinking about getting a shorter hairstyle. So I don't think having her hair cut to shoulder length would shame her.

 

[asmama]

If you were trying to shame someone would you cut their hair shoulder length? Or cropped close to their head? So even if they didn't have access to clippers (but did have chains, hose clamps, extra clothes, a place to keep her for weeks, etc), that's fine. I accept that. But shoulder length? I guarantee that when KP stated her "signature long blonde hair" was cut to "shame" her no one thought of a manageable bob.

We've all seen what happens to prisoners of war, kids shamed by abusive parents, etc. It's not just a haircut.

Sarcasm noted lol
I get what you're saying - yeah, they could've had access to clippers. Absolutely.
I've got pretty long hair and would be devastated if 8 or so inches were cut off of it. If I were to cut someone's 'signature long blonde hair' to shame them, I would put it in a ponytail and chop that off. It would probably leave a shoulder-length bob look, I guess...