Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #22

[asmama]

If I was held hostage, blindfolded, starved, beaten, and had NO idea why or who my captors were, the last thing on my mind would be my hair. Humiliation would be the last emotion I’d feel. Go ahead and humiliate me if it means I will make it out alive and be with my family again. I think the humiliating haircut thing is a strange aspect of this case. Shoulder length hair isn’t humiliating. A choppy mushroom cut? now maybe that’d be embarrassing.


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You would feel that way. Would someone who had more Glamour Shots than anyone I've ever known feel that same way? Probably not. JMO 🙃

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

I agree. I also thought it was a bit strange...but then maybe he didn't want to scare them by saying a stranger found mommy, or the police found mommy. Sometimes I abbreviate things I tell my kids to avoid the floodgate of questions that follow. Saves my sanity at times. LOL

:giggle: Yes. Children and their curious little minds eh. Pays to avoid the floodgate of questions especially in a situation like this. The children are still very very young. I'm sure eventually, they'll be told the full story, i.e. who really found their mommy etc, but for now or then rather (when Sherri was released) obviously KP felt "daddy found mommy" would suffice. MOO

 

[Stripehaven]

Daddy found Mommy just in time for Thanksgiving, as promised. Perhaps the child will ask how Daddy knew that would happen.

 

[Snoopster]

If I was held hostage, blindfolded, starved, beaten, and had NO idea why or who my captors were, the last thing on my mind would be my hair. Humiliation would be the last emotion I’d feel. Go ahead and humiliate me if it means I will make it out alive and be with my family again. I think the humiliating haircut thing is a strange aspect of this case. Shoulder length hair isn’t humiliating. A choppy mushroom cut? now maybe that’d be embarrassing.


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Totally agree. Hey, how many moms here lost all dignity (gladly) when they gave birth to their first child?

 

[Deleted member 50844]

I wonder if they cut her hair after she 'slammed one's head into the toilet'?
That would give them a pretty good reason to be ticked off and do something like that.

 

[Snoopster]

Good post covering lots of points. I don't necessarily agree with some of them, but then that's just my opinion and I'm not necessarily smarter than you.

My comments are in [red].

I keep going back to the fact that she was found approx 150 miles away from where she was abducted.
She had to have gotten there somehow! [Easy if you got a ride.]
That piece of information, and the fact that she had two small kids who needed their mom for those 22 days are what is convincing me that this was not staged. [The 2 small kids give me pause. It's difficult to imagine a young mother not caring about that first and foremost, but it has happened. Alternatively, maybe it was something she agreed to (hey, let's get sympathy/money!) but it ended up being more than she bargained for. Wild speculation on my part.]


You can't fake the love that I see in those family pictures IMO [yes, you can fake love in pictures. We've seen it here before on WS. You can't possibly know what it going on.] ...and with no prior (known) drug abuse habits [not known, but possible...although I won't presume.], I cannot see any other reason why she would have voluntarily left her husband and very small children for over three weeks, [think sympathy money or disillusioned] just to return malnourished, branded, beaten, had her hair chopped off, and experienced a high degree of mental trauma (chained and dropped off in the wee hours of the morning in the middle of no where.) [I do think she suffered in some way. Who was responsible? Could this have been someone else's idea and it got out of control? In the end I think she was hurt beyond her expectations (IF it was a consensual disappearance.)]

No three week sex-a-thon (no matter how good the sex may be!) with an acquaintance or anyone would be worth that!!! Again, JMO. Maybe it is just me talking as a mom who loves her husband and kids to bits, but I cannot fathom how any mother in what appears to be an outwardly happy marriage can do that. [You are a nice person. There have been cases where the mom has not loved her family to bits. There have also been cases where a mom has been 'under the control' of a partner. There have been cases where a mom lost touch with reality and did unimaginable things. You and I may not personally imagine anyone in these circumstances, but it has happened. We look at things through our own lens.] It makes no sense to me. JMO

I know that people leave their families all the time, but usually there is some sort of sign of trouble before that happens and I have not seen any evidence of anything (drugs, major debts, another man/woman, etc.)
I have no explanation for LE's release of the info regarding her texting a man....they have done it for a purpose, but for the life of me, I have no clue why. I would be really interested to know if he was Hispanic though.

If this was a hoax for publicity (which was suggested early on), I can almost guarantee that she would have hit the talk show circuits to talk about her horrible experience. Instead, there is radio silence from her. Crickets. This is very telling IMO. [I think this is a great point. I don't see Sheri seeking publicity. Her husband has been pretty silent too. This makes me temper my views above, but one possibility is a plan that went awry. Or, you may be right.]

It could mean that the police have instructed her to stay quiet [definitely possible], she is too afraid of the public assault that would come with people dissecting her every word and looking for lies [definitely possible], she is terrified of repercussions from her abductors [definitely and likely possible], or she is lying and doesn't want to get caught in a lie [definitely possible]. I tend to think that it is a mixture of the first three suggestions, IMO.

This is all JMO, MOO, and a mishmash of thoughts that have been jumbling around my head since this thread re-opened.

Nothing stated above is meant to offend anyone or be presumptuous, I have just wanted to get these thoughts down for days now. JMO [all great thoughts!! Mine aren't necessarily better than yours and certainly aren't meant to diminish them. This is a strange case and none of us knows what really happened. But we can all agree that we just don't know!]

 

[Koshka]

If you were trying to shame someone would you cut their hair shoulder length? Or cropped close to their head? So even if they didn't have access to clippers (but did have chains, hose clamps, extra clothes, a place to keep her for weeks, etc), that's fine. I accept that. But shoulder length? I guarantee that when KP stated her "signature long blonde hair" was cut to "shame" her no one thought of a manageable bob.

We've all seen what happens to prisoners of war, kids shamed by abusive parents, etc. It's not just a haircut.

Your point made me think of French women who collaborated with the Germans who had their hair hacked off or their heads shaved at the liberation of France. Definitely no shoulder length hair, and the intention there certainly was humiliation.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Good post covering lots of points. I don't necessarily agree with some of them, but then that's just my opinion and I'm not necessarily smarter than you.

My comments are in [red].

I really appreciate how respectfully you responded to this! Thank you. You have given me alot of food for thought with your responses. In particular, you hit home with such insight where you stated "You and I may not personally imagine anyone in these circumstances, but it has happened. We look at things through our own lens." JMO This is why you and I and others are all here following the cases we choose to follow....each of us hoping that the lens we are viewing through will lead us to the answers that uncover the hidden truths behind each story.
I hope Sherri's story comes to a resolution with an arrest and peace for her and her family.

 

[Philigumbo]

Just a few hours for:

1. A standard check up.
2. A rape kit and DNA testing.
3. X-rays and possible MRI due to the extreme battering and broken nose.
4. If she had lost so much weight, I imagine IV fluids for dehydration.
5. Photographing her condition and cataloguing her injuries for the police report/investigation.
6. Collection of her clothing for the investigation.
7. Mental health assessment and assistance/meds due to extreme distress.
8. Blood or other testing including testing to rule out other reasons for coughing up blood from screaming.
9. Treatment for physical exhaustion.
10. Treatment of her extensive injuries/bruises/broken bone/branding.

Im not an expert but that all takes a looong time. I mean we've all been to the ER many times in our lives for ourselves, kids, parents, what have you. We all know how long it takes. Especially around holidays when people are drinking more and having more mental health issues/fights, overindulging, etc.

But SP was never even admitted to the hospital. Just treated and released after some hours.

I don't know. I suppose it's possible but it seems to indicate her injuries weren't as severe as KP so dramatically described.

Hi, Gitana, SP denied sexual assault so likely she refused a rape kit. The police said they believe her. Being brought in by EMS would bring her to the front of the line for treatment. Blood work would quickly show rehydration and electrolyte replacement needs. None of that would merit a hospital stay. Not much can be done for bruises. I guess, in other words, short of injuries such as broken bones, internal injuries, or open bleeding lacerations, she needed no immediate trauma care. If the nose needs repair, it would be set up with a facial or ENT surgeon at a later date. Most likely a CT of head and abdomen to assess for head injury and internal injuries. The police documentation could be done while she’s rehydrated and awaiting results. Old lacerations, even the brand, would only be cleaned up, and assessed for infection. If anything was infected, it would need debridement and antibiotics. A quick peek in her throat would reveal an irritated pharynx from screaming. She wouldn’t be hemorrhaging from that, just a sore throat. A mental health/psych evaluation would be completed and resources provided. Whether she followed up, we don’t know.

Let me say this, if she were brought to any of the hospitals where I have worked, including in California, where I am licensed as well, it would have been assumed she was staying, for observation, with a guard outside the door, with her choice of family or friends sleeping on a cot in her room, and with whatever she wanted to help her sleep or rest, medication-wise. And whatever she needed for pain.
That’s what we do. The hospital doesn’t want the liability of sending her out on the street with these injuries without at least a 24 hour observation AND it’s bad PR in a high profile case to do so. I think she chose to leave.

This is such an odd case.

 

[hey-Debbie]

I still wish I knew more about the anonymous donor for the ransom. Why this family? Aren't there tons of other families that are missing loved ones that could use that help too? And didn't they offer to continue to help the family with what they needed even after she was found?

 

[Snoopster]

I really appreciate how respectfully you responded to this! Thank you. You have given me alot of food for thought with your responses. In particular, you hit home with such insight where you stated "You and I may not personally imagine anyone in these circumstances, but it has happened. We look at things through our own lens." JMO This is why you and I and others are all here following the cases we choose to follow....each of us hoping that the lens we are viewing through will lead us to the answers that uncover the hidden truths behind each story.
I hope Sherri's story comes to a resolution with an arrest and peace for her and her family.

Easy to do when your original post was so respectful.

I am/was the eternal optimist. Now that I'm "older" and have had many experiences I'm hope I'm a bit "wiser" than I used to be. (Or perhaps I don't!) I believe the the basic good nature of people. I think if people are given respect they respond with respect. I think we don't give each other enough respect, just because we have different opinions. (Not referring to you!)

The problem is that there are some people who didn't grow up getting love or respect. They can be "skewed" and not know how to feel love or respect. Unfortunately.

 

[gitana1]

Hi, Gitana, SP denied sexual assault so likely she refused a rape kit. The police said they believe her. Being brought in by EMS would bring her to the front of the line for treatment. Blood work would quickly show rehydration and electrolyte replacement needs. None of that would merit a hospital stay. Not much can be done for bruises. I guess, in other words, short of injuries such as broken bones, internal injuries, or open bleeding lacerations, she needed no immediate trauma care. If the nose needs repair, it would be set up with a facial or ENT surgeon at a later date. Most likely a CT of head and abdomen to assess for head injury and internal injuries. The police documentation could be done while she’s rehydrated and awaiting results. Old lacerations, even the brand, would only be cleaned up, and assessed for infection. If anything was infected, it would need debridement and antibiotics. A quick peek in her throat would reveal an irritated pharynx from screaming. She wouldn’t be hemorrhaging from that, just a sore throat. A mental health/psych evaluation would be completed and resources provided. Whether she followed up, we don’t know.

Let me say this, if she were brought to any of the hospitals where I have worked, including in California, where I am licensed as well, it would have been assumed she was staying, for observation, with a guard outside the door, with her choice of family or friends sleeping on a cot in her room, and with whatever she wanted to help her sleep or rest, medication-wise. And whatever she needed for pain.
That’s what we do. The hospital doesn’t want the liability of sending her out on the street with these injuries without at least a 24 hour observation AND it’s bad PR in a high profile case to do so. I think she chose to leave.

This is such an odd case.

Thanks for that info. Clears some stuff up for me.

I keep going back to the fact that she was found approx 150 miles away from where she was abducted.
She had to have gotten there somehow!
That piece of information, and the fact that she had two small kids who needed their mom for those 22 days are what is convincing me that this was not staged.

You can't fake the love that I see in those family pictures IMO...and with no prior (known) drug abuse habits, I cannot see any other reason why she would have voluntarily left her husband and very small children for over three weeks, just to return malnourished, branded, beaten, had her hair chopped off, and experienced a high degree of mental trauma (chained and dropped off in the wee hours of the morning in the middle of no where.)

No three week sex-a-thon (no matter how good the sex may be!) with an acquaintance or anyone would be worth that!!! Again, JMO. Maybe it is just me talking as a mom who loves her husband and kids to bits, but I cannot fathom how any mother in what appears to be an outwardly happy marriage can do that. It makes no sense to me. JMO
I know that people leave their families all the time, but usually there is some sort of sign of trouble before that happens and I have not seen any evidence of anything (drugs, major debts, another man/woman, etc.)
I have no explanation for LE's release of the info regarding her texting a man....they have done it for a purpose, but for the life of me, I have no clue why. I would be really interested to know if he was Hispanic though.

If this was a hoax for publicity (which was suggested early on), I can almost guarantee that she would have hit the talk show circuits to talk about her horrible experience. Instead, there is radio silence from her. Crickets. This is very telling IMO.

It could mean that the police have instructed her to stay quiet, she is too afraid of the public assault that would come with people dissecting her every word and looking for lies, she is terrified of repercussions from her abductors, or she is lying and doesn't want to get caught in a lie. I tend to think that it is a mixture of the first three suggestions, IMO.

This is all JMO, MOO, and a mishmash of thoughts that have been jumbling around my head since this thread re-opened.

Nothing stated above is meant to offend anyone or be presumptuous, I have just wanted to get these thoughts down for days now. JMO

Every day on websleuths we see mothers who not only let their kids down, they actually harm them. Despite this, every time people familiar with these cases are incredulous that a mother could harm her kid, which kind of confuses me.

Photos lie. Every smile you see on facebook hides reality. Every child abuser, victim of domestic violence, sociopath, sufferer of depression, suicidal person, adulterer, wife beater, couple in a bad marriage, people experiencing dire financial issues, etc., post cheerful smiling photos that make everyone think it is all okay. Until something happens - divorce, bankruptcy, death, disappearance, arrest - and then reality shines through.

It surprises me that people think if a family looks happy in photos, they must not be capable of certain things.

Casey Anthony - murdered her child, not guilty verdict nothwithstanding.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...aw0oScaKHOhPm3VO4goksGMv&ust=1509761610909861

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...aw2VLcA10WnR3mT8IN0LwfZg&ust=1509761619639958

John Battaglia. Murdered his two littlegirls out of revenge against his ex.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...aw0HYP-S2wuzXpVPwc4JyQdV&ust=1509761836254154

Lacey Spears. Slowly poisoned her five year old to death.

http://www.ibtimes.com/lacey-spears...son-garnett-great-could-face-criminal-1580758

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...aw0S53PnyYesQA72_82yWxBD&ust=1509762473515445

I mean I can go on and on with so many people who had lovely photos that belied the internal world they were part of. Scott peterson and his wife. Susan Smith and her sons. Josh Powell and his wife and kids. So many mothers of babies brutally tortured and molested and abused to death by some new man, as mom idly sat by, while posting glossy, smiling photos of herself and her kids, "the loves of my life".

Interestingly, I find that the more a person is intent on creating a perfect appearance, the worse things are for them in reality.

 

[cluciano63]

Thanks for that info. Clears some stuff up for me.



Every day on websleuths we see mothers who not only let their kids down, they actually harm them. Despite this, every time people familiar with these cases are incredulous that a mother could harm her kid, which kind of confuses me.

Photos lie. Every smile you see on facebook hides reality. Every child abuser, victim of domestic violence, sociopath, sufferer of depression, suicidal person, adulterer, wife beater, couple in a bad marriage, people experiencing dire financial issues, etc., post cheerful smiling photos that make everyone think it is all okay. Until something happens - divorce, bankruptcy, death, disappearance, arrest - and then reality shines through.

It surprises me that people think if a family looks happy in photos, they must not be capable of certain things.

Casey Anthony - murdered her child, not guilty verdict nothwithstanding.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...aw0oScaKHOhPm3VO4goksGMv&ust=1509761610909861

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...aw2VLcA10WnR3mT8IN0LwfZg&ust=1509761619639958

John Battaglia. Murdered his two littlegirls out of revenge against his ex.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...aw0HYP-S2wuzXpVPwc4JyQdV&ust=1509761836254154

Lacey Spears. Slowly poisoned her five year old to death.

http://www.ibtimes.com/lacey-spears...son-garnett-great-could-face-criminal-1580758

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct...aw0S53PnyYesQA72_82yWxBD&ust=1509762473515445

I mean I can go on and on with so many people who had lovely photos that belied the internal world they were part of. Scott peterson and his wife. Susan Smith and her sons. Josh Powell and his wife and kids. So many mothers of babies brutally tortured and molested and abused to death by some new man, as mom idly sat by, while posting glossy, smiling photos of herself and her kids, "the loves of my life".

Interestingly, I find that the more a person is intent on creating a perfect appearance, the worse things are for them in reality.

Yes, for those who have been on WS a while or just follow crime, women can be just as ruthless, violent, vindictive, etc as men. "Snapped" never seems to run out of cases of women killers.

Not that SP appears in any way to be guilty of anything criminally violent...just responding to the fact that many continue to be surprised by the crimes women do commit. I am a cynic by now for sure, and would not make a good juror.

 

[Irishboy]

Yes, for those who have been on WS a while or just follow crime, women can be just as ruthless, violent, vindictive, etc as men. "Snapped" never seems to run out of cases of women killers.

Not that SP appears in any way to be guilty of anything criminally violent...just responding to the fact that many continue to be surprised by the crimes women do commit. I am a cynic by now for sure, and would not make a good juror.

You would make a great juror. The idiots on the CA jury were bad jurors.

 

[Irishboy]

Woodland Memorial Hospital is not a large hospital (122 beds) and I suspect the ER wasn’t handling a lot of emergencies in the very early morning on Thanksgiving. It serves a mostly rural area. It’s not like an ER in a large city. I don’t think it’s impossible that she could have been released in 8 hours max, which would be early afternoon. It’s also possible that she insisted on going home against medical advice. We don’t know for sure. JMO

http://www.hospital-data.com/hospitals/WOODLAND-MEMORIAL-HOSPITAL-WOODLAND.html

AMA and a big medical bill that insurance then won't cover
For some reason they determined not to admit unless MN and risk not getting sued if they discharged if she had a problem (it's still a business).

 

[Irishboy]

I wonder how the kidnappers came to know that Sherri's signature long blonde hair was such a BFD. And once they did know, if they decided to use that to humiliate her (???? Why???? Why is that "humiliating".?? Upsetting, sure. But c'mon), why give her a normal 'do like a shoulder-length cut? Shaving would be a hassle but you could hack it short with scissors so it looked awful. Hell, that happens by accident in salons all the time 😃 . So yeah, I think it was done as a lame disguise, or to make care easier.

I am with those who would love to know if her legs etc. were shaved when she was released.

Why disquise her if she were held in captivity with a bag over her head?

 

[rsd1200]

I mean anything is possible. I'm trying to come up with something that reconciles the odd parts of this strange case.

It seems she has a history of erratic behaviour. Maybe she made some sort of snap judgement, to participate in something, that turned out to be much different than what she anticipated? So they set their "hostage' free, as one would expect a hostage to be freed. Dramatic and in the middle of nowhere. There is a company in Michigan, at one time, that would stage a highly realistic kidnapping for you, for your own excitement. It can go a little too far at times though. IMO

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Welcome-bizarre-world-extreme-kidnapping.html

 

[Irishboy]

MI?
Interesting

 

[Russian Blue]

This is one of the most widely circulated photos of Sherri. It doesn't seem to me like she was extremely meticulous about getting her roots done, anyway.

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Right, doesn't matter though if she is meticulous or not. If her roots have just been done I am going to raise and eyebrow.
It would mean that they were done in "captivity".

 

[Russian Blue]

It is weird. How did he know? A parent doesn't normally tell their children the other parent will be home on a specific day if they have no idea when they'll be home! Maybe a ... "Mommy will be home soon" but a specific day---well maybe he's psychic, I don't know! Second thoughts, nah, if his psychic abilities were that sharp Sherri would have been found alot sooner and there'd have been an arrest not long after lol. So how did he know Sherri would be home for Thanksgiving, that's the million dollar question... :thinking:

He knew because it was part of the script to his fantastical story.