Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #22

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  • #581
I wonder if they cut her hair after she 'slammed one's head into the toilet'?
That would give them a pretty good reason to be ticked off and do something like that.

Yeah but I think retaliation for that is going to be a more than a shoulder length haircut. We are talking about (if KP is too be believed) women who inflicted severe burns, multiple repeated bruising, red rashes (whatever that is about) chain marks, and a branding.
 
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  • #583
It seems she has a history of erratic behaviour. Maybe she made some sort of snap judgement, to participate in something, that turned out to be much different than what she anticipated? So they set their "hostage' free, as one would expect a hostage to be freed. Dramatic and in the middle of nowhere. There is a company in Michigan, at one time, that would stage a highly realistic kidnapping for you, for your own excitement. It can go a little too far at times though. IMO

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Welcome-bizarre-world-extreme-kidnapping.html

Godh that's weird. Strange what people get into.

MI?
Interesting

Very.

He knew because it was part of the script to his fantastical story.

But he passed a lie detector test.
 
  • #584
BBM. Can you or anyone else who thinks LE is not handing this case seriously or as a crime please quote something from the recent press release that seems to indicate that? Here is it once again: https://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/li...estigation-update---october-2017.pdf?sfvrsn=0

When I read just the above it seems like they are treating this as a serious crime and still investigating. But maybe I am missing something.

For me, it was just them stating there was no risk to others that made it seem less serious.
 
  • #585
SP did have a lot of short hairstyles saved on one of her pinterest boards, as though she was already thinking about getting a shorter hairstyle. So I don't think having her hair cut to shoulder length would shame her.

Oh, did she... :thinking:
 
  • #586
So... The kidnappers were beating her, branding her, starving her, breaking her nose... But they cared about her long hair getting tangled?

Maybe the two were hair stylists gone rogue!

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BBM. :lol:
 
  • #587
If I was held hostage, blindfolded, starved, beaten, and had NO idea why or who my captors were, the last thing on my mind would be my hair. Humiliation would be the last emotion I’d feel. Go ahead and humiliate me if it means I will make it out alive and be with my family again. I think the humiliating haircut thing is a strange aspect of this case. Shoulder length hair isn’t humiliating. A choppy mushroom cut? now maybe that’d be embarrassing.


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TY for the post! I was just reading it thinking, damn, a few years back my hair was shoulder length (until I let it grow out) nothing humiliating about it. I'm sure there would be much worse things happening to you in that situation.
 
  • #588
It is my strong opinion that of all the people associated with this drama the one that knows the least of what was going on is KP.

My focus has been on the people that inserted themselves into this case very early on. That would be LJ and CG.
 
  • #589
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/unknown-individuals

The wording of this "Wanted" poster is what is so odd for me. Why don't they say "suspects" instead of "individuals" and "kidnapping" rather than "disappearance"? And asking for tips about her "whereabouts" during the time period. Just seems very cautious wording for a brutal kidnapping, but jmo.
 
  • #590
I keep going back to the fact that she was found approx 150 miles away from where she was abducted.
She had to have gotten there somehow!
That piece of information, and the fact that she had two small kids who needed their mom for those 22 days are what is convincing me that this was not staged.

You can't fake the love that I see in those family pictures IMO...and with no prior (known) drug abuse habits, I cannot see any other reason why she would have voluntarily left her husband and very small children for over three weeks, just to return malnourished, branded, beaten, had her hair chopped off, and experienced a high degree of mental trauma (chained and dropped off in the wee hours of the morning in the middle of no where.)

No three week sex-a-thon (no matter how good the sex may be!) with an acquaintance or anyone would be worth that!!! Again, JMO. Maybe it is just me talking as a mom who loves her husband and kids to bits, but I cannot fathom how any mother in what appears to be an outwardly happy marriage can do that. It makes no sense to me. JMO
I know that people leave their families all the time, but usually there is some sort of sign of trouble before that happens and I have not seen any evidence of anything (drugs, major debts, another man/woman, etc.)
I have no explanation for LE's release of the info regarding her texting a man....they have done it for a purpose, but for the life of me, I have no clue why. I would be really interested to know if he was Hispanic though.

If this was a hoax for publicity (which was suggested early on), I can almost guarantee that she would have hit the talk show circuits to talk about her horrible experience. Instead, there is radio silence from her. Crickets. This is very telling IMO.

It could mean that the police have instructed her to stay quiet, she is too afraid of the public assault that would come with people dissecting her every word and looking for lies, she is terrified of repercussions from her abductors, or she is lying and doesn't want to get caught in a lie. I tend to think that it is a mixture of the first three suggestions, IMO.

This is all JMO, MOO, and a mishmash of thoughts that have been jumbling around my head since this thread re-opened.

Nothing stated above is meant to offend anyone or be presumptuous, I have just wanted to get these thoughts down for days now. JMO

I see evidence that the kidnapping could have been staged (or SP's version of it, at least):

1. Pictures of family just a few days before the disappearance, with the entire family wearing bandannas and two of them with bandannas covering half of their faces.

2. Cell phone found with earbuds neatly coiled on the phone.

3. SP's history of blaming others for injuries that may have been self-inflicted. (You may say this is not a clue, but if anyone checked my history, they would not find a call to police in which anyone said I injured myself and blamed someone else for it).

4. SP's mother posted on FB about the presidential election and other matters, while SP was missing. Very peculiar behavior. Would you be able to do that if your daughter went missing and a huge search was launched to find her? Only if you know things weren't as they seemed, right?

5. SP seems to have selective memory about what happened during the 22 days. She can remember smashing one of their faces into the toilet, but can't remember what the vehicle looked like and took a year to remember enough about her captors to produce a sketch.

6. No motive. SP doesn't even know the motive.

7. Bound with one hand free.

8. LE being elusive on several matters, including the extent of SP's injuries compared to what KP said about them. LE pointing out inconsistencies in SP's story, like the cut on her foot she says she sustained, but wasn't there.

9. KP said to his kids, "she will be home by Thanksgiving". (I do not think KP was involved in SP's disappearance, but I do think he knows why she disappeared.)

10. SP shows up on Thanksgiving! This stands out to me more than anything else. Even if KP hadn't mentioned the holiday to his kids, the fact that SP could re-appear, alive, the survivor, on Thanksgiving morning, is very suspicious to me.

11. She was not sexually assaulted. (Again, what was the motive if not sex or ransom?)

12. LE has never been concerned that others might be in danger from the two Hispanic women, even though they don't know the motive, and the women are still out there. This makes absolutely no sense, no matter which way you twist and turn it.

13. SP texting with another man with plans to meet up, prior to her disappearance. That man has been cleared, but this is evidence that SP lived part of her life on the sly.

14. A prior internet entry by a Sherri Graeff (SP's prior husband is adamant that SP didn't write it) that states she had to constantly defend herself against Latinos in high school, a group of Latino girls would "constantly rag and attack" her, she had to "constantly stick up for herself instead of knuckling under what the Latino girls said and wanted", a Latino girl took a swipe at her and SP "lunged back at her, slamming her head between the bleachers" (sound familiar?) This is WAY TOO coincidental.

15. Also stated in this blog post: "on the way up the bleachers when I had rebuffed the Latinos, I had split my leg open and it was hard for me to walk. But when my dad picked me up from the police department, the only thing he kept saying to me was, "Sher, I'm proud of you. You did the right thing. Keep on walking. Don't let your leg slow you down. Keep walking."

You say you can't fake the love seen in Papini family pictures. ANYONE can fake love in pictures, posts, etc. We see it all the time on FB. People want to paint the picture of a happy family when what really happens is a completely different story.

You also suggest LE might have instructed SP to stay quiet. But in the latest press release, they say SP and KP are free to talk. They're not doing it, perhaps because they have no answers for so many questions.
 
  • #591
It is my strong opinion that of all the people associated with this drama the one that knows the least of what was going on is KP.

My focus has been on the people that inserted themselves into this case very early on. That would be LJ and CG.

I see what you're saying, but wouldn't LE have figured this out by now and made an arrest? If CG was involved, did KP know about it or not?
 
  • #592
I see what you're saying, but wouldn't LE have figured this out by now and made an arrest?
LE doesn't have much evidence in this case. As the Sheriff said not long after Sherri turned up, they were no closer to finding her than they were on day one of her disappearance. Everything is going to come down to people turning on each other.
 
  • #593
I see evidence that the kidnapping could have been staged (or SP's version of it, at least):

1. Pictures of family just a few days before the disappearance, with the entire family wearing bandannas and two of them with bandannas covering half of their faces.

2. Cell phone found with earbuds neatly coiled on the phone.

3. SP's history of blaming others for injuries that may have been self-inflicted. (You may say this is not a clue, but if anyone checked my history, they would not find a call to police in which anyone said I injured myself and blamed someone else for it).

4. SP's mother posted on FB about the presidential election and other matters, while SP was missing. Very peculiar behavior. Would you be able to do that if your daughter went missing and a huge search was launched to find her? Only if you know things weren't as they seemed, right?

5. SP seems to have selective memory about what happened during the 22 days. She can remember smashing one of their faces into the toilet, but can't remember what the vehicle looked like and took a year to remember enough about her captors to produce a sketch.

6. No motive. SP doesn't even know the motive.

7. Bound with one hand free.

8. LE being elusive on several matters, including the extent of SP's injuries compared to what KP said about them. LE pointing out inconsistencies in SP's story, like the cut on her foot she says she sustained, but wasn't there.

9. KP said to his kids, "she will be home by Thanksgiving". (I do not think KP was involved in SP's disappearance, but I do think he knows why she disappeared.)

10. SP shows up on Thanksgiving! This stands out to me more than anything else. Even if KP hadn't mentioned the holiday to his kids, the fact that SP could re-appear, alive, the survivor, on Thanksgiving morning, is very suspicious to me.

11. She was not sexually assaulted. (Again, what was the motive if not sex or ransom?)

12. LE has never been concerned that others might be in danger from the two Hispanic women, even though they don't know the motive, and the women are still out there. This makes absolutely no sense, no matter which way you twist and turn it.

13. SP texting with another man with plans to meet up, prior to her disappearance. That man has been cleared, but this is evidence that SP lived part of her life on the sly.

14. A prior internet entry by a Sherri Graeff (SP's prior husband is adamant that SP didn't write it) that states she had to constantly defend herself against Latinos in high school, a group of Latino girls would "constantly rag and attack" her, she had to "constantly stick up for herself instead of knuckling under what the Latino girls said and wanted", a Latino girl took a swipe at her and SP "lunged back at her, slamming her head between the bleachers" (sound familiar?) This is WAY TOO coincidental.

15. Also stated in this blog post: "on the way up the bleachers when I had rebuffed the Latinos, I had split my leg open and it was hard for me to walk. But when my dad picked me up from the police department, the only thing he kept saying to me was, "Sher, I'm proud of you. You did the right thing. Keep on walking. Don't let your leg slow you down. Keep walking."

You say you can't fake the love seen in Papini family pictures. ANYONE can fake love in pictures, posts, etc. We see it all the time on FB. People want to paint the picture of a happy family when what really happens is a completely different story.

You also suggest LE might have instructed SP to stay quiet. But in the latest press release, they say SP and KP are free to talk. They're not doing it, perhaps because they have no answers for so many questions.

Similarities between the Skinheadz post and SP's abduction:
(1) Latinos
(2) Females
(3) Being attacked/bullied/taken
(4) "Slamming" the female Latino bully's head down
(5) Injury to the leg/foot
(6) walking to freedom/safety

This is impossible to ignore.
 
  • #594
Similarities between the Skinheadz post and SP's abduction:
(1) Latinos
(2) Females
(3) Being attacked/bullied/taken
(4) "Slamming" the female Latino bully's head down
(5) Injury to the leg/foot
(6) walking to freedom/safety

This is impossible to ignore.
Particularly if the blog post was up before we had her escape story.

So it couldn't be blog imitating current story, even if the blog was not written by her?

Do we have confirmation of when the blog was actually posted? I realize it was dated years ago. But do we know for a fact that it existed before her disappearance?

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  • #595
Another thing that IMO is highly weird is KP telling the kids that Mommy would be home for Thanksgiving. Et voila.

I can imagine him saying, "We HOPE she will be home by T-Day," but why would you assure the child unless you KNEW? Yet another puzzling aspect.

:seeya:

BBM: I just cannot get past this statement by KP ... MOO

:thinking: A coincidence? I don't believe in these types of coincidences.

:moo:
 
  • #596
Particularly if the blog post was up before we had her escape story.

So it couldn't be blog imitating current story, even if the blog was not written by her?

Do we have confirmation of when the blog was actually posted? I realize it was dated years ago. But do we know for a fact that it existed before her disappearance?

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The blog was written in 2003.
 
  • #597
Thanks for that info. Clears some stuff up for me.

Every day on websleuths we see mothers who not only let their kids down, they actually harm them. Despite this, every time people familiar with these cases are incredulous that a mother could harm her kid, which kind of confuses me.

Photos lie. Every smile you see on facebook hides reality. Every child abuser, victim of domestic violence, sociopath, sufferer of depression, suicidal person, adulterer, wife beater, couple in a bad marriage, people experiencing dire financial issues, etc., post cheerful smiling photos that make everyone think it is all okay. Until something happens - divorce, bankruptcy, death, disappearance, arrest - and then reality shines through.

It surprises me that people think if a family looks happy in photos, they must not be capable of certain things.

Casey Anthony - murdered her child, not guilty verdict nothwithstanding.
John Battaglia. Murdered his two littlegirls out of revenge against his ex.
Lacey Spears. Slowly poisoned her five year old to death.

I mean I can go on and on with so many people who had lovely photos that belied the internal world they were part of. Scott peterson and his wife. Susan Smith and her sons. Josh Powell and his wife and kids. So many mothers of babies brutally tortured and molested and abused to death by some new man, as mom idly sat by, while posting glossy, smiling photos of herself and her kids, "the loves of my life".

Interestingly, I find that the more a person is intent on creating a perfect appearance, the worse things are for them in reality.


^^^ POST OF THE DAY :goodpost:

BBM: I totally agree.

Respectfully snipped for space

:seeya:
 
  • #598
The blog was written in 2003.
I know it was dated 2003, but do we know for a fact that it was actually written or posted then?

I have a website and I can go back and change post dates if I choose in order to bump them to the top. So I'm wondering if we have proof that it existed before her disappearance.

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  • #599
It is my strong opinion that of all the people associated with this drama the one that knows the least of what was going on is KP.

My focus has been on the people that inserted themselves into this case very early on. That would be LJ and CG.

:seeya:

BBM: Respectfully, I am on the opposite side of the :fence: with this statement regarding KP ...

But it's okay ... just think how boring this thread would be if we all agreed ... lol !

JMO and :moo:
 
  • #600
Why disquise her if she were held in captivity with a bag over her head?

In my mind, "if" is the key word 🙂

Also, she couldn't have been bagged all the time if she saw the bandana'ed Latinas.

My bottom line is that I don't think a shoulder-length cut, however badly done (and I wish we knew HOW badly) signals humiliation.
 
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