GUILTY CA - Thaddeus Sran, 2, has feeding tube, found deceased, Madera, 14 Jul 2020 *parents arrested*

[RealForReal]

All I can say is WHOA. MOO: Just jumping into this case but I feel like there is a whole lot of fuel here for ineffective assistance of counsel. I mean the media will adore him, he comes off as honest and forthcoming, but it feels like the truth keeps tumbling out of his mouth without much thought about the impact of his words on the case.

Agree- but the fact that he was even talking about any of it at this point is a red flag. I wonder if he was even retained by either of them? IMHO definitely need different counsel. There’s a reason you don’t see many attorneys do this.

 

[Knox]

I would be surprised if they prosecute them together, I think this is going to be a case of he said she said. IMO they will not stand united in this case.[/QUOTE]

That was my thought as well. If I were an attorney, I would definitely file to have my client face charges separately and point the finger at the other spouse.
Also wondering if the SIDS death from 2015 will be allowed in this case? Prejudicial?

 

[MoeInVA]

That was my thought as well. If I were an attorney, I would definitely file to have my client face charges separately and point the finger at the other spouse.
Also wondering if the SIDS death from 2015 will be allowed in this case? Prejudicial?

Right so why did lawyer disclose all this prejudicial CPS and SIDS history?!!

 

[Dylansmom08]

I believe if I remember correctly he said he would ask for a different attorney for one of them as he didn't feel like he could represent them both. Then he said later on that he had told the mother he would represent her so I figure he's going to try to throw all the charges on the father and claim she had no knowledge of any wrong doing in Thaddeus' disappearance and death. From what LE is saying the investigation into the other baby's death is still ongoing their attorney is the only one saying it is a closed case. I'm sure they will definitely be taking a harder look at it now either way because one child dying is a tragedy but two is always a red flag.

 

[Knox]

Right so why did lawyer disclose all this prejudicial CPS and SIDS history?!!

The only thing I come up with- he felt disclosing that case would elicit sympathy for the couple in the court of public opinion. Frankly he seemed to have some cognitive thought process issues, hopefully another local attorney out there reigns him in.

The video was painful to watch, so I didn't listen to the whole thing.

 

[MsMarple]

I watched this- IMO way too chatty for an attorney- this combined with the press release earlier just make me wonder. Also he cannot represent both of them ethically- he says so in the video. ANOTHER reason for him to not be so chatty.

The attorney, having worked with them in the past (death of infant daughter and separate custody suit) cannot imagine they had anything to do with his death. He said they cared for the children so much. IMO- anyone can put on a good act- and it’s hard to imagine ANYONE burning a child!

Yes, the parents loved Thaddeus so much - until they didn't.

 

[oceanverde]

It's a small town in comparison to Fresno. Fresno is 20 miles or so south of us. Madera is 61K and Fresno is 530K...pretty big difference.

I guess I have a different idea of what a small town is. Madera is a small city, not a small town.

 

[cindizzle]

Thaddeus Sran’s parent’s attorney: ‘When the boy disappeared I was shocked’ | YourCentralValley.com

“He [legal analyst Chuck Magill] said the district attorney will likely ask for life without parole and said the Sran’s have great council, calling Nuttall one of the area’s top defense attorneys.

‘My respect for him is immense and I would expect that his expertise is going to come into play really heavily here. So I would expect that this is going to be a battle from beginning to end,’ he said.”

I’ve been a Fresno resident for 7 years and have frequently heard Roger Nuttall referred to as one of our best (and priciest) defense attorneys. His press conference didn’t give that impression, but perhaps that’s part of his strategy?

 

[Dylansmom08]

This looks like yet another case where child services has failed the child and as a result that child lost his life. I just found this article from the Fresno news where they were being investigated by child services last year for Thaddeus and the case was closed in January leaving him with the parents.

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article244451857.html

 

[bykerladi]

Any attorney worth their bar license will tell you that cases are lost and won in the media. This defense attorney is doing exactly what he should be doing - he's trying to spin the narrative to be sympathetic to his client. Everyone already knows about the prior child's death, so its not like he's leaking confidential information. He knows he has to address it or his client goes to jail. For anyone old enough to remember OJ Simpson, his attorneys did the same thing - run the media circuit to spin the narrative to help their client. And they won.

 

[GuyfromCanada]

The remains of a small child were found Thursday with the help of a cadaver dog, in a burn pit in an almond orchard a few miles west of Madera, on the northeast side of Road 21, just north of Avenue 14, according to police.

Madera Police Chief Dino Lawson credited his investigators when he said, “It was good old fashioned police work that led to the discovery of this scene. No tips were involved. They worked non-stop to try and locate this missing little boy, and they did.”

http://www.maderatribune.com/single...ound-in-pit-likely-that-of-missing-2-year-old

 

[MoeInVA]

Any attorney worth their bar license will tell you that cases are lost and won in the media. This defense attorney is doing exactly what he should be doing - he's trying to spin the narrative to be sympathetic to his client. Everyone already knows about the prior child's death, so its not like he's leaking confidential information. He knows he has to address it or his client goes to jail. For anyone old enough to remember OJ Simpson, his attorneys did the same thing - run the media circuit to spin the narrative to help their client. And they won.

My career is in this role ... but this guy did not seem strategic. He seemed like diarrhea of the mouth. Maybe dementia. Sad. By his own admission he did not have enough time with client or clients to craft a strategy (or even decide which client he’d take or not).

 

[Limecat]

Both of these disgusting “parents” need to be sterilized.

I hear the death penalty is highly effective as a sterilization technique

 

[Knox]

Thaddeus Sran’s parent’s attorney: ‘When the boy disappeared I was shocked’ | YourCentralValley.com

“He [legal analyst Chuck Magill] said the district attorney will likely ask for life without parole and said the Sran’s have great council, calling Nuttall one of the area’s top defense attorneys.

‘My respect for him is immense and I would expect that his expertise is going to come into play really heavily here. So I would expect that this is going to be a battle from beginning to end,’ he said.”

I’ve been a Fresno resident for 7 years and have frequently heard Roger Nuttall referred to as one of our best (and priciest) defense attorneys. His press conference didn’t give that impression, but perhaps that’s part of his strategy?

Well color me surprised. Perhaps he was having an off moment and he's really quite a brilliant defense attorney

 

[Knox]

Any attorney worth their bar license will tell you that cases are lost and won in the media. This defense attorney is doing exactly what he should be doing - he's trying to spin the narrative to be sympathetic to his client. Everyone already knows about the prior child's death, so its not like he's leaking confidential information. He knows he has to address it or his client goes to jail. For anyone old enough to remember OJ Simpson, his attorneys did the same thing - run the media circuit to spin the narrative to help their client. And they won.

Not trying to be argumentative, but I suspect there will be no public sympathy when details of the CPS reports and court dependency hearings surface. Two medically fragile children have died while in the care of these two people. Sure, CPS gave the eight year old back in 2015, and whatever the January 2020 CPS investigation involving TS entailed, they allowed him to remain in the home.

But CPS nationwide is notorious for making bad calls, I could fill a whole page with names of the children they failed. There is no narrative which can overcome a parent dumping their child in a farm field like a piece of trash.

 

[California Sunset]

It's a small town in comparison to Fresno. Fresno is 20 miles or so south of us. Madera is 61K and Fresno is 530K...pretty big difference.

I guess size is relative. I've lived in rural towns with a much smaller population, but large area, and I've lived in areas that are larger but a portion has a 'small town feel'. Maybe the people referring to it as small town feel that way about it, since they are familiar with the area. Just considering the possibility, imo.

 

[Coppertop15]

Why is this town constantly being referred to as a small town in this thread? Isn't Madera like 60K people?

Because when you have seen the Amtrak station (an open platform in a cow pasture) it just feels small! I have been to small towns. I've been to pokenplumb towns. Madera really does feel *small*. It tends to be a rather spread out 60k too.

 

[Quiet Time]

Well color me surprised. Perhaps he was having an off moment and he's really quite a brilliant defense attorney

Yes, he is a very well known and respected attorney here in town. And , I too, was surprised to hear him speak...he seemed kind of out of it, or tired?

But, I'm really wondering how they're paying for this guy. I don't think he's a public defender..or he didn't used to be. jmo

 

[cvaldez1975]

I guess size is relative. I've lived in rural towns with a much smaller population, but large area, and I've lived in areas that are larger but a portion has a 'small town feel'. Maybe the people referring to it as small town feel that way about it, since they are familiar with the area. Just considering the possibility, imo.

yes that’s exactly it. It feels like one. When I was a kid it was 25k. It’s grown to 61k over the years but still feels small town.

 

[GlitterGirl1997]

I guess size is relative. I've lived in rural towns with a much smaller population, but large area, and I've lived in areas that are larger but a portion has a 'small town feel'. Maybe the people referring to it as small town feel that way about it, since they are familiar with the area. Just considering the possibility, imo.

I'm very familiar with the area, I live here and have since 2009. That's the reason we moved here.