CA - Use of deadly force by police disappears on Richmond streets

[Tawny]

I don't blame those 7 African American Officers for being upset about being passed over by younger officers, getting promoted over them. They put in their time for decades.

It is kind of interesting. If he was a strict, conservative, law and order guy that had passed these black officers over, would every one here be applauding him and saying what a great Chief he was?

How do you know what his political leanings are? And he IS a "law and order" guy... how is he not?

I'm applauding him for his efforts to reform the way police encounter individuals on the street. I'm not sure what your argument is or why you're even trying to fight that so steadfastly.

 

[katydid23]

UBM

Maybe that's all they did. In the private sector, promotions are not handed out for simply putting in time.

They were passed over because he wanted to put Latinos and women in higher up positions. That is discrimination, in my book.

 

[katydid23]

How do you know what his political leanings are? And he IS a "law and order" guy... how is he not?

I'm applauding him for his efforts to reform the way police encounter individuals on the street. I'm not sure what your argument is or why you're even trying to fight that so steadfastly.

I support the officers on the street. This chief did not have a lot of 'fans' who were on the street under his command. They did not like the way they were put in danger. Would you like to arrest gang members and then have your daily schedule and beat area put up on the net? Including your email and cell number? That made many officers very vulnerable and uncomfortable.

Many did not like they way he took away their gang intervention pro-active squads and did so with no input from those that had been there for years.

And now that the crime and homicides are spiking, he runs off to another city, and leaves a letter blaming others for the crime rate rising. Not a popular move according to many local officers.

 

[bluesneakers]

They were passed over because he wanted to put Latinos and women in higher up positions. That is discrimination, in my book.

Do you have a link proving he passed them over because even though they were more qualified and deserving he wanted to promote Latinos and women who were less qualified and less deserving? You make it sound like he was a teacher who gave one student a C and another an A just because he felt like it.

JMO

 

[Montjoy]

They were passed over because he wanted to put Latinos and women in higher up positions. That is discrimination, in my book.

Source?

 

[Montjoy]

I support the officers on the street. This chief did not have a lot of 'fans' who were on the street under his command.

Having lots of 'fans' is and should be a very low priority for police chiefs and other people entrusted with significant supervisory or management responsibilities. Jobs like that, or, say, those of higher level military officers, are not popularity contests.

And as has been posted before -- but really should go without saying -- a temporary spike in some crime rate cannot be blamed on his policies by any intelligent person.

 

[bluesneakers]

Having lots of 'fans' is and should be a very low priority for police chiefs and other people entrusted with significant supervisory or management responsibilities. Jobs like that, or, say, those of higher level military officers, are not popularity contests.

And as has been posted before -- but really should go without saying -- a temporary spike in some crime rate cannot be blamed on his policies by any intelligent person.

You know who had a lot of fans? Lt. GI Joe.

JMO

 

[Montjoy]

You know who had a lot of fans? Lt. GI Joe.

JMO

I also think he also had a lot of "frenemies".

 

[katydid23]

Having lots of 'fans' is and should be a very low priority for police chiefs and other people entrusted with significant supervisory or management responsibilities. Jobs like that, or, say, those of higher level military officers, are not popularity contests.

And as has been posted before -- but really should go without saying -- a temporary spike in some crime rate cannot be blamed on his policies by any intelligent person.

Then why is everyone giving him credit for the dip in homicides? They give him credit for that but then say the spike is just coincidental?

And fans may not have been the right word. But respect and/or confidence are very important things to have in one's leadership/top brass/

 

[Woodland]

I support the officers on the street. This chief did not have a lot of 'fans' who were on the street under his command. They did not like the way they were put in danger. Would you like to arrest gang members and then have your daily schedule and beat area put up on the net? Including your email and cell number? That made many officers very vulnerable and uncomfortable.

Many did not like they way he took away their gang intervention pro-active squads and did so with no input from those that had been there for years.

And now that the crime and homicides are spiking, he runs off to another city, and leaves a letter blaming others for the crime rate rising. Not a popular move according to many local officers.

UBM

This is the second time you are making the claim that Magnus posted beat schedules, never changed beat schedules and posted officers personal e-mails and cell numbers - see post #31, page 3. A link for this claim was requested in post #37 and in post #38 you asked 'what claim?'

Now you are making the same unbacked-up claim and adding what officers think/thought about Magnus as well as the statement 'no fans'.

No back-up for any of it. Will have to go with it's nonsense.

 

[Montjoy]

Then why is everyone giving him credit for the dip in homicides? They give him credit for that but then say the spike is just coincidental?

And fans may not have been the right word. But respect and/or confidence are very important things to have in one's leadership/top brass/

If "everyone" is giving him credit for the "dip in homicides", then he has definitely earned some respect and confidence. And I don't think that 'coincidental' is really the word for describing a statistical spike, as it is not something that coincides with policy changes.

As for the 'spike' in a rate -- that means that there were unusual circumstances that were beyond the reach of policies. Think Anders Brevik in Norway -- he, on his own, created a spike in a number of crime categories (murder, gun violence, mass killings) despite just being one individual who was insane and beyond the law. Some things are aberrations/anomalies.

 

[Woodland]

Then why is everyone giving him credit for the dip in homicides? They give him credit for that but then say the spike is just coincidental?

And fans may not have been the right word. But respect and/or confidence are very important things to have in one's leadership/top brass/

No one is giving him credit for a dip in homicides. The credit being given to him is for his training methods and expectations of his officers so that the use of deadly force has not been needed - in a US city with the same issues as any other US city.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/new...y-force-by-police-disappears-richmond-streets

Geez.

 

[i.b.nora]

Oh LOOK!!!

How awful is this??? Changes like this should NEVER be allowed. Imagine the citizens actually knowing who the cops are!

Districts & Beats

Map of Districts & Beats
Learn, discover, share information.

In June 2006 Chief Magnus implemented a new strategy for the deployment of Richmond Police Officers in the Patrol Bureau. A major part of the new plan included reorganizing the way the officers think about the geographical boundaries of neighborhoods.

The city is now broken into three different districts (Northern, Central and Southern). Each district is divided again into three smaller beats. Every officer in the Patrol Bureau, with a few exceptions, is assigned to a beat.

The map below shows the districts and the beats. You can use this information to contact your beat or district officers. Color coding indicates the district. The small numbers (1 through 9) indicate the beat within the district.

Review this link for a full-page view of the map.

Once you determine your own district and beat you can click on the map below to identify the command staff and officers in your area.​

http://www.ci.richmond.ca.us/985/Districts-Beats

The Full Page Map: http://www.ci.richmond.ca.us/DocumentCenter/Home/View/443

 

[i.b.nora]

And more, about Richmond California Police Department:

http://www.ci.richmond.ca.us/2440/Policing-Bureau?NID=2440

 

[Woodland]

Oh LOOK!!!

How awful is this??? Changes like this should NEVER be allowed. Imagine the citizens actually knowing who the cops are!

Districts & Beats

Map of Districts & Beats
Learn, discover, share information.

In June 2006 Chief Magnus implemented a new strategy for the deployment of Richmond Police Officers in the Patrol Bureau. A major part of the new plan included reorganizing the way the officers think about the geographical boundaries of neighborhoods.

The city is now broken into three different districts (Northern, Central and Southern). Each district is divided again into three smaller beats. Every officer in the Patrol Bureau, with a few exceptions, is assigned to a beat.

The map below shows the districts and the beats. You can use this information to contact your beat or district officers. Color coding indicates the district. The small numbers (1 through 9) indicate the beat within the district.

Review this link for a full-page view of the map.

Once you determine your own district and beat you can click on the map below to identify the command staff and officers in your area.​

http://www.ci.richmond.ca.us/985/Districts-Beats

The Full Page Map: http://www.ci.richmond.ca.us/DocumentCenter/Home/View/443

Well that makes sense for a public service - a way for Joe and Josephine Citizen to contact their local LE. Wonder how many other US cities have this open contact format with their local LE.

No mention of personal e-mails and personal phone numbers for the officers.

 

[i.b.nora]

A Press Release, not subject to copyright rule:

Police Officers From Across California to Discuss Growing Racial Tensions
Posted: Jan 05, 2016 5:13 PM PST
Black and White: A Matter of Trust at USF Jan. 7—8

San Francisco, CA (PRWEB) January 05, 2016

More than 200 law enforcement officials from across California—including nearly 30 police chiefs and representatives from the California Highway Patrol—will gather this week at the University of San Francisco (USF) to address the growing racial tensions that are undermining relationships between law enforcement and those they serve, especially African-American males.

This vital discussion will take place at a two-day symposium Jan. 7—8 at the University of San Francisco’s McLaren Conference Center, 2130 Fulton Street. The symposium is sponsored by USF's International Institute of Criminal Justice Leadership, in partnership with the San Francisco Police Department (full schedule below).

“Deadly police shootings in Baltimore, Chicago, Ferguson, and other U.S. cities have eroded the trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve, and this deteriorating relationship must be addressed objectively, honestly, and immediately,” said Tony Ribera, former San Francisco police chief and director of USF's International Institute of Criminal Justice Leadership.

“A lot of people automatically take one side or the other in this issue, but this is not about taking sides," Ribera said. "This is about taking a serious look at the situation, determining what’s wrong, and fixing it. I believe officers will leave here with a more comprehensive understanding of the problem, and with concrete ways to improve the relationships they have with their communities.”

Almost all of the symposium’s participants hold leadership positions in law enforcement, and have a rank of lieutenant or above. About 20 percent are part of a minority group. Participants include the U.S. Marshals Service, 15 officers from the California Highway Patrol, San Diego's district attorney, and the police chiefs from nearly 30 California cities, including: Belvedere, Berkeley, Chico, Citrus Heights, Cloverdale, Cypress, Emeryville, Fontana, Fowler, Millbrae, Milpitas, Modesto, Nevada City, Palo Alto, Pleasanton, Rio Vista, Salinas, San Francisco, San Luis Obispo, San Mateo, San Rafael, Selma, Union City, Vallejo and Walnut Creek.

USF's International Institute of Criminal Justice Leadership is dedicated to ethical leadership training of professionals working in the U.S. criminal justice system, and is part of the USF School of Management. It has sponsored a symposium annually since 1995, and previous topics have included the use of police body cameras, reducing drug crime, and ending violence against women.

Media Contacts: For more information on Black and White: A Matter of Trust—or to arrange an interview—contact Lisa Franzetta, USF School of Management, etc,


More...

http://www.wdrb.com/story/30893381/...california-to-discuss-growing-racial-tensions

 

[EllieBee]

And more, about Richmond California Police Department:

http://www.ci.richmond.ca.us/2440/Policing-Bureau?NID=2440

From your link, ibnora:

Crime Prevention
Preventing crime and maintaining order is the basic mission of the police. It is a duty that we share with the public, our most abundant yet under utilized resource. We know that working together is the best way to make a difference on improving order and on increasing the quality of life in Richmond. Many groups of residents are organized and are actively playing important roles in crime prevention, in part by looking out for neighbors and reporting suspicious activity to police right away. We have 39 registered neighborhood councils; about sixty neighborhood/block/ apartment watch groups; and five active merchant associations throughout Richmond. Many residents also hold more active volunteer participation roles with the Department directly, including police chaplains, police explorers, police interns and several other program volunteers with our Police Activities League (RPAL).

 

[Montjoy]

It seems to me that some people think that anyone who criticizes anything that an LEO does is opposed to the police. That sort of generalizing/stereotyping is always unfair.

Myself, I work with LEOs regularly (albeit, to be fair, in a remote geographical area). I generally meet good ones, but a few are jerks -- the same as it is with railroad engineers, croupiers, professional wrestlers, and physiotherapists (and everyone else).

And yes, to be fair, I'm one to complain about LEOs whenever they abuse their power (as I am with railroad engineers, croupiers, professional wrestlers, and physiotherapists).

But I also like to look for light at the end of the tunnel, and as awful a trajectory as the LEO in the US are on, I have to applaud the 'good apples' who are trying to find solutions, like these folks.

A Press Release, not subject to copyright rule:

Police Officers From Across California to Discuss Growing Racial Tensions
Posted: Jan 05, 2016 5:13 PM PST
Black and White: A Matter of Trust at USF Jan. 7—8

San Francisco, CA (PRWEB) January 05, 2016

More than 200 law enforcement officials from across California—including nearly 30 police chiefs and representatives from the California Highway Patrol—will gather this week at the University of San Francisco (USF) to address the growing racial tensions that are undermining relationships between law enforcement and those they serve, especially African-American males.

This vital discussion will take place at a two-day symposium Jan. 7—8 at the University of San Francisco’s McLaren Conference Center, 2130 Fulton Street. The symposium is sponsored by USF's International Institute of Criminal Justice Leadership, in partnership with the San Francisco Police Department (full schedule below).

“Deadly police shootings in Baltimore, Chicago, Ferguson, and other U.S. cities have eroded the trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve, and this deteriorating relationship must be addressed objectively, honestly, and immediately,” said Tony Ribera, former San Francisco police chief and director of USF's International Institute of Criminal Justice Leadership.

“A lot of people automatically take one side or the other in this issue, but this is not about taking sides," Ribera said. "This is about taking a serious look at the situation, determining what’s wrong, and fixing it. I believe officers will leave here with a more comprehensive understanding of the problem, and with concrete ways to improve the relationships they have with their communities.”

Almost all of the symposium’s participants hold leadership positions in law enforcement, and have a rank of lieutenant or above. About 20 percent are part of a minority group. Participants include the U.S. Marshals Service, 15 officers from the California Highway Patrol, San Diego's district attorney, and the police chiefs from nearly 30 California cities, including: Belvedere, Berkeley, Chico, Citrus Heights, Cloverdale, Cypress, Emeryville, Fontana, Fowler, Millbrae, Milpitas, Modesto, Nevada City, Palo Alto, Pleasanton, Rio Vista, Salinas, San Francisco, San Luis Obispo, San Mateo, San Rafael, Selma, Union City, Vallejo and Walnut Creek.

USF's International Institute of Criminal Justice Leadership is dedicated to ethical leadership training of professionals working in the U.S. criminal justice system, and is part of the USF School of Management. It has sponsored a symposium annually since 1995, and previous topics have included the use of police body cameras, reducing drug crime, and ending violence against women.

Media Contacts: For more information on Black and White: A Matter of Trust—or to arrange an interview—contact Lisa Franzetta, USF School of Management, etc,


More...

http://www.wdrb.com/story/30893381/...california-to-discuss-growing-racial-tensions

 

[bluesneakers]

It seems to me that some people think that anyone who criticizes anything that an LEO does is opposed to the police. That sort of generalizing/stereotyping is always unfair.

Myself, I work with LEOs regularly (albeit, to be fair, in a remote geographical area). I generally meet good ones, but a few are jerks -- the same as it is with railroad engineers, croupiers, professional wrestlers, and physiotherapists (and everyone else).

And yes, to be fair, I'm one to complain about LEOs whenever they abuse their power (as I am with railroad engineers, croupiers, professional wrestlers, and physiotherapists).

But I also like to look for light at the end of the tunnel, and as awful a trajectory as the LEO in the US are on, I have to applaud the 'good apples' who are trying to find solutions, like these folks.

Well said.

 

[Woodland]

A Press Release, not subject to copyright rule:

Police Officers From Across California to Discuss Growing Racial Tensions
Posted: Jan 05, 2016 5:13 PM PST
Black and White: A Matter of Trust at USF Jan. 7—8

San Francisco, CA (PRWEB) January 05, 2016

More than 200 law enforcement officials from across California—including nearly 30 police chiefs and representatives from the California Highway Patrol—will gather this week at the University of San Francisco (USF) to address the growing racial tensions that are undermining relationships between law enforcement and those they serve, especially African-American males.

This vital discussion will take place at a two-day symposium Jan. 7—8 at the University of San Francisco’s McLaren Conference Center, 2130 Fulton Street. The symposium is sponsored by USF's International Institute of Criminal Justice Leadership, in partnership with the San Francisco Police Department (full schedule below).

“Deadly police shootings in Baltimore, Chicago, Ferguson, and other U.S. cities have eroded the trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve, and this deteriorating relationship must be addressed objectively, honestly, and immediately,” said Tony Ribera, former San Francisco police chief and director of USF's International Institute of Criminal Justice Leadership.

“A lot of people automatically take one side or the other in this issue, but this is not about taking sides," Ribera said. "This is about taking a serious look at the situation, determining what’s wrong, and fixing it. I believe officers will leave here with a more comprehensive understanding of the problem, and with concrete ways to improve the relationships they have with their communities.”

Almost all of the symposium’s participants hold leadership positions in law enforcement, and have a rank of lieutenant or above. About 20 percent are part of a minority group. Participants include the U.S. Marshals Service, 15 officers from the California Highway Patrol, San Diego's district attorney, and the police chiefs from nearly 30 California cities, including: Belvedere, Berkeley, Chico, Citrus Heights, Cloverdale, Cypress, Emeryville, Fontana, Fowler, Millbrae, Milpitas, Modesto, Nevada City, Palo Alto, Pleasanton, Rio Vista, Salinas, San Francisco, San Luis Obispo, San Mateo, San Rafael, Selma, Union City, Vallejo and Walnut Creek.

USF's International Institute of Criminal Justice Leadership is dedicated to ethical leadership training of professionals working in the U.S. criminal justice system, and is part of the USF School of Management. It has sponsored a symposium annually since 1995, and previous topics have included the use of police body cameras, reducing drug crime, and ending violence against women.

Media Contacts: For more information on Black and White: A Matter of Trust—or to arrange an interview—contact Lisa Franzetta, USF School of Management, etc,


More...

http://www.wdrb.com/story/30893381/...california-to-discuss-growing-racial-tensions

This symposium is a good way for LE to begin addressing their relationship with the public - I have a concern though regarding their method.

During this symposium, LE will only be talking to LE. It's what they will do after this as far implementing a plan that I would like to hear about. The press release mentions they have been meeting since 1995 - the relationship has been in serious decline since then.

Not attempting to rain on their parade - just wondering how serious it will be taken this time.

All jmo.