Cadaver dog hit on scent in DBs bedroom

[Deleted member 39678]

He wasn't in the river, he was patrolling areas flooded BY the river. There was historic flooding of the Missouri River last summer. Considering that river empties into the Mississippi in St Louis, it's anyone's guess. :waitasec:

So your saying that the Missouri River is a good place to dispose of a body with little chance of recovery in a general sense, or mainly during a flood event?

 

[iamnotagolem]

Here is an article from 1995 about dumping bodies in the MO. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-01-08/news/mn-17484_1_missouri-river

I don't think it matters if the body is recovered, I don't think the killer cares. It really doesn't matter, it's been 4 months, her body is decomposing, evidence is being washed away, if she's in that river, then mission accomplished. Body not discovered immediately is the point of putting it in the river.

All my personal opinion, I have no idea how anyone could toss precious Lisa into a river.

 

[In da Middle]

Maybe the Mo state trooper that was lost during the flooding last summer had something to do with it? Massive searches took place, and it still took until January to find his body. And that wasn't even IN the Mighty Mo.

It WAS in the Mighty Mo he was lost in. It was just upstream a ways. The same flooding was only just subsiding at the time the baby went missing. The river was still flowing very hard and very fast from it at the time. Which proves RANCH's point of how unpredictable a body dump would be in the river. This guy was found after he was lost during the massive flooding.

 

[KsStormy]

So your saying that the Missouri River is a good place to dispose of a body with little chance of recovery in a general sense, or mainly during a flood event?

I don't know if it's a "good place to dispose of a body" -never actually TRIED it - - I am saying that it has been known as a dumping ground for bodies for as long as I can remember ( I live a bit over an hour away from KC). I would assume it would be much harder to recover anything after the flooding especially, let alone a tiny body, in that river. I have heard many tales of whole vehicles being lost in the river that were never recovered. The river is also known for world-record size catfish, if that gives you any indication of it's size. A quick Google Images search of "Missouri River Flooding 2011" will give you a good idea of how bad it was. If indeed , God forbid, there was a body to dispose of, I can't imagine them bothering to take the time to bury it, when the chances of being recovered from that river are so much smaller, IMO.

 

[In da Middle]

He wasn't in the river, he was patrolling areas flooded BY the river. There was historic flooding of the Missouri River last summer. Considering that river empties into the Mississippi in St Louis, it's anyone's guess. :waitasec:

But he fell INTO the river. The very same river.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think there is also the thought that a body tossed in the water will take a while to find, hope the body will decompose greatly before it's found, and that evidence will be washed away. If it's only bones when they find the body, will they be able to determine a COD if it was a soft kill? Will they be able to prove specifically who killed her?

I guess if your a murderer you better hope that the body is found later rather than sooner. In the case I described of my employers son, his body told the ME that he was strangled until he was unconscious, thrown into the river, and then drowned. If he was killed and dumped somewhere other than the river, his body would have decomposed much faster and made the cause of death much more difficult.

 

[In da Middle]

So your saying that the Missouri River is a good place to dispose of a body with little chance of recovery in a general sense, or mainly during a flood event?

Let's put it this way. LOTS of bodies are found in the river. FOUND is the key word. Flooding or not.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Let's put it this way. LOTS of bodies are found in the river. FOUND is the key word. Flooding or not.

Exactly, whether or not it is smart, whether or not it is a "good place" to hide a dead body. It is done a lot!

 

[iamnotagolem]

I guess if your a murderer you better hope that the body is found later rather than sooner. In the case I described of my employers son, his body told the ME that he was strangled until he was unconscious, thrown into the river, and then drowned. If he was killed and dumped somewhere other than the river, his body would have decomposed much faster and made the cause of death much more difficult.

I agree, it's risky, but I think it's a chance killers are willing to take b/c a lot of them seem to do it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Let's put it this way. LOTS of bodies are found in the river. FOUND is the key word. Flooding or not.

That's what I'm getting at. Body's get found in rivers for a reason. Because they float to the surface. And if your trying to hide a body, a river may not be your best bet.

 

[iamnotagolem]

That's what I'm getting at. Body's get found in rivers for a reason. Because they float to the surface. And if your trying to hide a body, a river may not be your best bet.

I agree! But I think if you are hiding a body, common sense and well thought out planning aren't always available.

 

[vlpate]

It WAS in the Mighty Mo he was lost in. It was just upstream a ways. The same flooding was only just subsiding at the time the baby went missing. The river was still flowing very hard and very fast from it at the time. Which proves RANCH's point of how unpredictable a body dump would be in the river. This guy was found after he was lost during the massive flooding.

A baby could easily be put into a duffle bag with weights (free weights?), and thrown in.

How extensively have they searched the river?

 

[KsStormy]

We're getting way off topic here, but he was found by a highway crew near Big lake, Missouri, after the river flooding, about 200-300 YARDS from where he went missing! That just goes to show how difficult recovery was after the flooding, I know MO put in a LOT of manpower to find him.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/296622/3/Body-of-Mo-trooper-discovered-as-crews-fill-hole

 

[iamnotagolem]

We've talked quite a bit about how bodies float and that's how they are found. What if she was put into something that floats and it floated down stream much quicker. SAR peeps would probably have more knowledge on how fast she would have gotten down stream in a floating container.

This is probably unlikely, but I was thinking about how people (illegally) go over Niagara Falls in balls.

I guess then the risk of it getting caught up in a log jam are more likely.

This thread makes me really hope that Lisa was kidnapped by someone who wanted to love her and give her a better life.

 

[In da Middle]

A baby could easily be put into a duffle bag with weights (free weights?), and thrown in.

How extensively have they searched the river?

Well they were there that very morning searching it and have been there at least 2 more times that I am aware of. Maybe more. I am only aware of thos e 3 because they were caught by the helicopters during live shots. It is where they do their search and rescue training is right along this very stretch probably because it is the most likely place to need that training for a ways up and down stream. I don't know how far down they went though.

 

[4Jacy]

In a circumstance like the above, I just don't see it. If I were to pick someone up who had some "garbage" to dispose of and then learned later that it could have been a body, I would have absolutely no problem going straight to the police. There would be no reason for me to be afraid, nor would I be considered an accessory after the fact.

But that is YOU, Meri. And mostly all of us here. However, we do not know the mental capactiy of this person, if he had any priors, et al. I realize this is an off the wall theory, but I would bet anything, none of the cars in question were used. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I agree! But I think if you are hiding a body, common sense and well thought out planning aren't always available.

Even killers who plan well in advance can be caught by their own stupidity. One of the first things that investigators found when my friends sons car was pulled from the river was a lot of motor oil all over the inside of the car. There was a motor oil bottle with the cap removed found inside the car. The cap was found jammed into the throttle mechanism in the engine compartment. LE went with it from there. One small mistake.

 

[sarx]

Wow, sounds like we need a new thread about bodies and rivers!

 

[In da Middle]

while I am not discounting the river, IF she was put in the river it would be far more likely to be either further upstream or downstream rather than right here. IF she was put into the river after being transported by a vehicle, upstream or downstream provides MUCH easier and more private access. I can almost guarantee you that if it was her that did it, she did not walk to the river. Other people maybe. Walking to the river - actually TO the water part of the river - at night right here would be for someone who makes a habit of walking down there at night.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Wow, sounds like we need a new thread about bodies and rivers!

How about whether HRD dogs were used during the river searches and how effective can they be when deployed on water?