Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #17

[LoriMcA]

So pretty much everyone in the world has the "chemicals" needed to make bodies disappear?

It's a scary thought...but you would almost think so wouldn't you? You know...looking for where to buy lye....I found how-to's on how to make the stuff...*shudder*...The world has gone mad...truly mad. JMOO

 

[Tinkerbel1]

How did the accused, a man with a pick up truck that was of great interest to police, remove the bodies from the crime scene? What are the possibilities?

Why would AL not go to the closest LE station if he was seen alone with NO?

 

[otto]

Maybe someone brought a sloppy child over with them that had a big old slush from 7-11 and he dribbled it allllll the way down the sidewalk. Have you ever seen that? I had 3 brothers, they did stuff like that all the time. And worse.

PS...sometimes I'm in my pj's ALL day....that means nada, other than she likely had a shower to wash off the dust, dirt, etc. plus it was warm out, and got into her pj's. Was she supposed to get dressed to go out while JO was there? Of course she would put on pj's...people go to the store in pj's nowadays. I have a blanket that I want to throw in the washer....it's been hanging on my bannister for the past week...I guess I figure it's going to walk up to the 2nd floor laundry room by itself...it's still sitting there...I walk past it several times a day...and that's because I don't see it anymore. That's a reasonable explanation for the sign still being on the door...it's not about not having the time...it's about having your mind elsewhere and also probably in 3 days, it became normal looking. Some people still have their Christmas stuff up outside until May...so what?

I get it. The objective is to take the evidence, or facts of the case, and find some alternate explanation. The green truck is of no interest to police ... perhaps a diversion. The 4x4 fence posts are not fence posts, they're part of an invisible gate that is big enough for a vehicle to drive through. It's easier for a criminal to remove a section of a fence and drive a vehicle onto the back lawn than to remove bodies from a crime scene via a door ... except, perhaps the bodies weren't removed. Perhaps the bodies are still at the crime scene. Maybe someone, not the chemist from Airdrie, but someone else with soap making materials, made the bodies disappear in Parkhill. When the homeowners move into the Parkhill house, maybe they'll find the bodies.

 

[otto]

Why would AL not go to the closest LE station if he was seen alone with NO?

The only problem is that Alvin was murdered in the Parkhill house. That's why he didn't go to the closest police station. ... but wait ... maybe he's not really dead. Maybe police have stated that he is dead as a diversion.

 

[LoisLane]

JO commented they had watched a movie that night and had a big group hug on the couch. They also ordered Chinese take out, so I think they wanted to relax after a busy weekend. Just throwing that in there for you and Otto.

Thanks Lalala! I was looking for this reference today. Was CH mentioned here as well? I was trying to determine if CH was at the home that night. I have found a link where she was at the estate sale in the afternoon.

http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/iphone/news/latest/story.html?id=9989542

Cherri Hodgins, Kathy Liknes' friend since junior high, was at the sale on Sunday. She last saw the couple that afternoon. "They were actually pretty happy," she said.

"They did well on the sale. They were relieved they'd sold off some things. They were looking forward to the future and they were looking forward to good change."

She has no idea what happened to them. "We're all in shock and we're at just as much of a loss as everyone else.

"Kathy and Alvin are just beautiful people. They've always been there for everybody. This is totally out of the ordinary for their character."

Her last comment "This is totally out of the ordinary for their character" makes me think again that they suspected they had disappeared and that if there was blood her comment would not be about character. JMO

 

[ABro]

Rather than take an aggressive position, I prefer to wait to present my case...not enough info as I've said. However, there is no harm in having an opinion, there are others that think differently than you do and we communicate quite well, thank you. I am not looking to be heard, I've never been one to bang anyone's door down. I find it interesting that there are so many that feel the need to beat others with their opinions. I hope you and your theory are correct, it will likely matter to you more than I, that you be right and I be wrong. In the meantime, those of us that may have a different idea will likely continue on thinking what we think.

You should give yourself more credit for getting your position across. It seems to be the dominant one on the board now.

BTW, I have no theory about what happened because I have no idea what the evidence is.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

What if a horse was walking between the houses and left a mess.

Maybe that's what happened. One of the horses belonging to the CPS escaped, wandered into Parkhill, left a mess on the sidewalk, then wandered into the backyard to eat grass. That makes more sense than the drag marks being associated with the triple murder and bloody crime scene.

How do you explain there being a triple murder at the Parkhill home when there were sightings of them all across Canada? Maybe we can't figure out how the bodies got out of the house because they walked and weren't dragged, heaved, rolled, or catapulted out. Maybe they didn't cease to exist at that house. Maybe it was a police dog that wandered between the houses. Why are the drag marks such a point of contention. There's voluminous amounts of evidence...the drag marks could amount to nothing, or if anything, they are 1 piece of evidence. I think we need to put this into perspective and move along with trying to figure out what happened to the Liknes' and NO.

 

[LoriMcA]

Maybe someone, not the chemist from Airdrie, but someone else with soap making materials, made the bodies disappear in Parkhill.

^^rsbm
Well ...when I posted the link above about Home Hardware...my point was...lye can be bought at a general hardware store....
Who possibly bought lye? We don't know. We don't even know if lye was purchased by anyone....
My point was...anyone could...DG...soap makers...pest control? anyone. I worked for a company in a rural area at one time...we had a couple of snakes *the no-legged variety ...not the 2-legged variety* going into the basement...my employer put lye around the perimeter of the building....they didn't come back...

 

[ABro]

If my theory is correct, I wouldn't be so rude as to slam LE...they still did, and I am sure, are still doing a remarkable job. Everyone does the best they can in any given moment. It wouldn't be their fault if they followed the logical route...sometimes things aren't always logical.

I guess we'll have to disagree on that. I don't think the police are doing a remarkable job when someone on a message board with no resources solves the case they botched.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

You should give yourself more credit for getting your position across. It seems to be the dominant one on the board now.

Oh thank you But I'm not one for attention-seeking behaviour, nor giving myself credit for anything, but I appreciate you saying so. It is what it is...perhaps my position has some merit.
See? It wasn't necessary to back my position up with fancy links and research and calculations or drawings or pounding a fist on the table. It's all in the approach. (Sometimes you have to watch the quieter ones).

 

[LoisLane]

I get it. The objective is to take the evidence, or facts of the case, and find some alternate explanation. The green truck is of no interest to police ... perhaps a diversion. The 4x4 fence posts are not fence posts, they're part of an invisible gate that is big enough for a vehicle to drive through. It's easier for a criminal to remove a section of a fence and drive a vehicle onto the back lawn than to remove bodies from a crime scene via a door ... except, perhaps the bodies weren't removed. Perhaps the bodies are still at the crime scene. Maybe someone, not the chemist from Airdrie, but someone else with soap making materials, made the bodies disappear in Parkhill. When the homeowners move into the Parkhill house, maybe they'll find the bodies.

What if the green truck was seen several times driving thru the neighborhood because DG was assisting with moving of items or picking up old paperwork, etc.. He could have attended the estate sale. Maybe JO even had a conversation with him that day or the day before. Maybe he was not considered a suspect by the family originally and the video of the truck was presented to the family and they confirmed who it was. When other family members heard that DG was at the home they told the police of the "bad-blood" and that got the ball rolling. Maybe not everyone in the family saw DG in the same light as the others. Once DG was questioned and his past record and the Hartley ID came up the focus was on him. Piece-by-piece.

Also, the truck could have been backed up to the garage in the alley and entered thru the side door of that garage and through to the backside of the house. He could have parked in the front or the back. He could have been picking something up earlier in the day.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

We don't know all three were murdered at Parkhill, remember news.talk mentioned LE investigated three crime scenes.

We theorize the two we know about are Parkhill and the acreage, the third we don't know (theorized slough/pond, somewhere in/around old Cam Clarke Ford building or could be a private/secluded spot in rural Airdrie).

Half of me is in total denial that NO wasn't spared (I still can't believe someone could/would harm this child), so I really want to believe he's out there somewhere, but I know the evidence and LE say otherwise so I'm on the fence - my emotional thoughts are fighting my logical thoughts.

It doesn't help I'm weary of the shady business connections which just adds fuel to my irrational thoughts in this. I guess it's hard for me to accept what probably is the truth.

 

[ABro]

How do you explain there being a triple murder at the Parkhill home when there were sightings of them all across Canada?

One word. Elvis.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

The only problem is that Alvin was murdered in the Parkhill house. That's why he didn't go to the closest police station. ... but wait ... maybe he's not really dead. Maybe police have stated that he is dead as a diversion.

Then explain the numerous tipsters that indicated sightings of the trio across Canada? No, no...I believe that LE are operating under the presumption that AL is deceased.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

One word. Elvis.

Seriously, I agree, we don't know where they were murdered.

Lol...that was funny!

 

[LoisLane]

The only problem is that Alvin was murdered in the Parkhill house. That's why he didn't go to the closest police station. ... but wait ... maybe he's not really dead. Maybe police have stated that he is dead as a diversion.

I don't think police have stated that they are dead as a diversion. I think the police can declare a missing person dead when they have had no contact with anyone and when no financial activity such as known bank accounts and credit cards has taken place in a certain period of time.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I guess we'll have to disagree on that. I don't think the police are doing a remarkable job when someone on a message board with no resources solves the case they botched.

Oh true! Well, I sure wouldn't be the one telling them that! lol

 

[LoisLane]

I guess we'll have to disagree on that. I don't think the police are doing a remarkable job when someone on a message board with no resources solves the case they botched.

I am pretty sure police will solve this case. Once they have all the pieces.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Thanks Lalala! I was looking for this reference today. Was CH mentioned here as well? I was trying to determine if CH was at the home that night. I have found a link where she was at the estate sale in the afternoon.

http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/iphone/news/latest/story.html?id=9989542

Cherri Hodgins, Kathy Liknes' friend since junior high, was at the sale on Sunday. She last saw the couple that afternoon. "They were actually pretty happy," she said.

"They did well on the sale. They were relieved they'd sold off some things. They were looking forward to the future and they were looking forward to good change."

She has no idea what happened to them. "We're all in shock and we're at just as much of a loss as everyone else.

"Kathy and Alvin are just beautiful people. They've always been there for everybody. This is totally out of the ordinary for their character."

Her last comment "This is totally out of the ordinary for their character" makes me think again that they suspected they had disappeared and that if there was blood her comment would not be about character. JMO

I added the link after I posted and you already read it but here it is:
http://www.leaderpost.com/Grandparents+mourned+after+summer+tears/10245307/story.html

CH is mentioned in the article of having attended the memorial, I didn't see anything about her that evening at Parkhill.

But CH did mention in her TV news segment how much time she spent at the Parkhill home (IIRC), so you'd think she would've stayed there since coming in from out of town, but again - no furniture/bedding. So CH might've stayed in a local hotel maybe? Or is Canmore a drive one would do to get back home that night?

 

[ABro]

I don't think police have stated that they are dead as a diversion. I think the police can declare a missing person dead when they have had no contact with anyone and when no financial activity such as known bank accounts and credit cards has taken place in a certain period of time.

Yeah, seven years.