Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #10

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"The pool was at the rear of the house, adjacent to a sunken garage and accessible from the rest of the basement by a long, narrow hallway. The agent, entering first, was the one who found them. Barry and Honey, spouses of more than 40 years, were side by side on the floor, their necks tied with men’s leather belts to a metal railing, about three and a half feet high, that ran around one end of the pool. Barry, heavyset with a crown of frizzy, thinning gray-and-brown hair, was seated, legs extended forward and crossed neatly at the ankles. Honey, who had a blond bob and an athletic frame, was slumped on her side and appeared to have been struck on her face. Their arms were drawn back, held in place by coats pulled down below their shoulders. Both were facing away from the water and fully clothed, although one of the belts seemed to have been taken from Barry’s trousers. It was impossible to tell how long they’d been dead."
"To the investigators who’ve been on the case for the past 10 months—the police and a team of private detectives hired by the couple’s four adult children—the crime presents a series of contradictions."

"Police found no evidence of a break-in, and the manner in which the Shermans were killed was personal, even intimate. The official cause of death for both was “ligature neck compression,” meaning strangulation by a cord or belt—painful, terrifying, and indicating a passionate desire to see them suffer. Then again, the tidiness of the scene suggested the work of professionals."
 
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When Barry was in full control of Apotex I could see somebody maybe wanting to take him out. Why wait for someone to, for all intense purposes, retire? And ask yourself, has anybody actually benefitted from Barry's death, aside from his kids?

Greed and revenge are far more common motivators behind murder than a competive business situation ever has been, or ever will be.
 
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When Barry was in full control of Apotex I could see somebody maybe wanting to take him out. Why wait for someone to, for all intense purposes, retire? And ask yourself, has anybody actually benefitted from Barry's death, aside from his kids?
rbbm.
Considering that Honey's will has not been found, it might be more interesting to learn who now might not benefit from Honey's death. imo.
 
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Again you astound me with your lack of facts. Barry never cut Kerry off. In fact everything he gave Kerry was a loan. Kerry ended it when he found out that Barry screwed him and his brothers royally and he decided to sue him.

Speaking of facts, had you noticed the cousins’ lawsuit was dismissed, that decision later upheld by the appeal court as well?

(Judge) Hood dismissed the case and wrote "the claimed interest in Apotex was wishful thinking, and beyond fanciful."
Barry Sherman's orphaned cousins fight for cut of Apotex fortune in lawsuit appeal | CBC News
 
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I tend to agree that legitimate, North American Big Pharma executives are not going to arrange a murder contract for a key competitor, even their main nemesis BS. It doesn't make sense to me that an employee would risk something so extreme for their company, regardless of their financial investment (shares) in the company. This was an emotional killing, for some unknown motive.

I think the more logical choice for the murders is a "shady" character that BS became involved with. Jack McKay alluded to this, and Frank D'Angelo said it outright. These are two friends who knew BS and his current business dealings better than anybody imo, and therefore I take their opinions as valid speculation. I noted that neither man alluded to KW as a suspect, although that could have been intentional for some reason.

KW had an intimate (father figure) background with BS, and I don't doubt that he feels that he really knows BS and HS from his past experiences with them. There is enough info for me to see that BS wasn't a nice person (understatement) when it came to business. KW's law suit against BS changed their relationship from "family" to "business". As others have expressed, I have difficulty believing KW's claim of M/S due to his abject hatred and rage for both Shermans which borders on mania imho.
 
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Speaking of facts, had you noticed the cousins’ lawsuit was dismissed, that decision later upheld by the appeal court as well?

(Judge) Hood dismissed the case and wrote "the claimed interest in Apotex was wishful thinking, and beyond fanciful."
Barry Sherman's orphaned cousins fight for cut of Apotex fortune in lawsuit appeal | CBC News
Obviously I'm aware of that. Do you think that Kerry Winter ever thought he'd win that lawsuit? You realize that Kerry knew that Barry's loans would cease as soon as he proceeded with the case? Did you ever stop and think that the lawsuit wasn't simply about money?
 
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Obviously I'm aware of that. Do you think that Kerry Winter ever thought he'd win that lawsuit? You realize that Kerry knew that Barry's loans would cease as soon as he proceeded with the case? Did you ever stop and think that the lawsuit wasn't simply about money?

Beyond any doubt, a billion dollar civil lawsuit is about money. At one time I recall reading it was the largest ever filed in Canada.

ETA: During KWs 5th Estate interview, he stated his distain towards Honey was because she began questioning him. If it were not that Barry began to withdraw his generous support as a result, for what other reason would he express hostility towards her?
 
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Obviously I'm aware of that. Do you think that Kerry Winter ever thought he'd win that lawsuit? You realize that Kerry knew that Barry's loans would cease as soon as he proceeded with the case? Did you ever stop and think that the lawsuit wasn't simply about money?

By Kerry Winter’s own account, before the suit was filed HS started to question the amount of money Kerry was receiving from them and asking where it was going.

That sounds as if the writing was on the wall that they had reached their limit. 8+ million to KW alone- where did it go? By the beginning of the lawsuit KW’s uncle was helping to support him as well.

The support didn’t stop when the lawsuits started:

Considering the context or the surrounding circumstances in which the contract was drafted, counsel for Sherman submits that the Minutes were negotiated in the context of the familial relationship between the parties (they are cousins) and the mutual desire to ensure that Winter and his family had a place to stay pending the ongoing legal disputes between the parties.
CanLII - 2013 ONSC 354 (CanLII)

If you go into that case further, BS allowed KW to stay at the Bellwoods home so that he and his family would have a roof over his head. Then KW rented out the home.

I don’t think BS ever thought he’d recoup the money he gave the cousins, I think he was protecting his interests and keeping a clear ledger.
 
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Beyond any doubt, a billion dollar civil lawsuit is about money. At one time I recall reading it was the largest ever filed in Canada.
There’s also some indication that BS tried to settle the case, and they turned down the offer.
 
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Beyond any doubt, a billion dollar civil lawsuit is about money. At one time I recall reading it was the largest ever filed in Canada.
Do you honestly think Kerry ever stood a chance of winning? After all, civil court is never about who is right and who is wrong, it's all about who has the better legal team. Barry was a veteran off civil litigation and he had a team of lawyers at his disposal that could fill a courtroom. Kerry Winter never stood a chance and I'm certain he was aware of that. That lawsuit was more about exposing what kind of person Barry Sherman was to the public than it was about money.
 
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Do you honestly think Kerry ever stood a chance of winning? After all, civil court is never about who is right and who is wrong, it's all about who has the better legal team. Barry was a veteran off civil litigation and he had a team of lawyers at his disposal that could fill a courtroom. Kerry Winter never stood a chance and I'm certain he was aware of that. That lawsuit was more about exposing what kind of person Barry Sherman was to the public than it was about money.

Upon the dismissal of the lawsuit by the Court, it was declared to have been an abuse of process, fanciful and beyond wishful thinking and as a result it wasn’t successful in “exposing what kind of person Barry Sherman was to the public”....so then what?

Not only was the failed lawsuit about money, but so were the repercussions -

“..As part of the court's decision, Winter not only lost his claim on his cousin's fortune, but he was also ordered to pay Sherman back $8 million. Just a week before the Shermans were found dead, a court ordered Winter and his siblings to pay Sherman $300,000 in legal costs....”
Barry Sherman's cousin fails lie detector test over allegation of plot to kill Honey Sherman | CBC News
 
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Link please. The CBC stated otherwise.
I was told this by Kerry Winter personally. I tend to believe him based on the fact that Barry Sherman didn't seem to settle any of the cases he was involved in, and offering a settlement would be an indication that he felt some kind of responsibility to do so.
 
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Link please. The CBC stated otherwise.

I’m thinking that one sentence regarding “the offer” might’ve referred to Barry’s offer to finance the startup businesses for the cousins. I don’t think the word “settle” was in the quoted snip. Do you happen to have the exact words that were spoken?

Typically an offer to settle implies an obligation.
 
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Good for Barry. Like getting blood out of a stone though.

Yet another strike against a suicide, having just won a 10 year vindictive legal battle.
 
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