Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #10

[Lexiintoronto]

I was told this by Kerry Winter personally. I tend to believe him based on the fact that Barry Sherman didn't seem to settle any of the cases he was involved in, and offering a settlement would be an indication that he felt some kind of responsibility to do so.

That holds 0 weight. If something is attributed to Kerry Winter he can say it here and be accountable for it.

 

[MistyWaters]

During the Winter v. Sherman case, BS said this during a deposition:

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Starts @ the 12:20 mark.

It sounds like he was making a settlement offer to the cousins.

They lost an appeal and were ordered to pay the Shermans days before they were killed.

ETA: Removed speculation.

Here. I wonder what precedes “and”?
“And they should either accept my offer or find a better one.”

This is why I wondered if the comment pertained to background history involving the loans, the promissory notes and the terms of the financing.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I’m thinking that one sentence regarding “the offer” might’ve referred to Barry’s offer to finance the startup businesses for the cousins. I don’t think the word “settle” was in the quoted snip. Do you happen to have the exact words that were spoken?

Typically an offer to settle implies an obligation.

You’re right about the word ‘settle’ not being included.

Here. I wonder what precedes “and”?
“And they should either accept my offer or find a better one.”

This is why I wondered if the comment pertained to background history involving the loans, the promissory notes and the terms of the financing.

If you go back to the 10:00 mark, before BS says that, the reporter was discussing the period where BS was doing everything to help the cousins.

I’d like to hear the whole tape. ‘Accept my offer’ sounded to me like he was trying to resolve the case. Why not ‘have accepted’ my offer’ if he was referring to the past?

ETA: sorry, I need coffee. He could have been recounting a past discussion prior to the lawsuit. Accept my offer=could means his efforts to help the cousins when he first gave them money.

 

[andreww]

Here. I wonder what precedes “and”?
“And they should either accept my offer or find a better one.”

This is why I wondered if the comment pertained to background history involving the loans, the promissory notes and the terms of the financing.

I think that is probably likely. You drop the suit, I'll tear up the promissory notes. Kind of a meaningless gesture though, I can't believe Barry ever expected those notes to be repaid anyway.

 

[MistyWaters]

I wonder why CBC hasn’t released the deposition in the entire? Kerry claims Barry was his surrogate father but was there ever any personal relationship other than financial assistance or was an embellishment as well?

- Kerry has only ever mentioned any personal interaction at Apotex. Business dealings are typically conducted at businesses.
- Kerry stated he’d never been in the Sherman home, where they moved to in the early 90s.

2007
“In an interview, Mr. Sherman called the allegations "bizarre" and said the lawsuit "has no substantive basis whatsoever."

"I've spent millions of dollars trying to help these kids but they've got a lawyer who smells money, it seems," he said. "It's just an unbelievable story. It's actually very distressing to me."

"I'm saddened that it has come to this," said Kerry Winter, one of the cousins who is suing. "It's a tragedy."....”
At Apotex, a family feud comes to the fore

 

[William_60]

I was told this by Kerry Winter personally. I tend to believe him based on the fact that Barry Sherman didn't seem to settle any of the cases he was involved in, and offering a settlement would be an indication that he felt some kind of responsibility to do so.

What does 8 M in loans indicate?

The horse was out of the barn, so to speak, on the issue of responsibility, IMO.

 

[1&2&3]

Just the other day I read where Honey is believed to have been attacked at the front door entry area. No idea where link is.

We have known that Honey had a pool of blood around her at the swimming pool where she was found.

Were dogs used to track in the house to find where the attacks took place, where the blood trail for Honey started?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

What does 8 M in loans indicate?

The horse was out of the barn, so to speak, on the issue of responsibility, IMO.

And 8 million over a 20 year period with no returns. I don’t think BS expected to see the money again.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Delete

 

[MistyWaters]

You’re right about the word ‘settle’ not being included.

If you go back to the 10:00 mark, before BS says that, the reporter was discussing the period where BS was doing everything to help the cousins.

I’d like to hear the whole tape. ‘Accept my offer’ sounded to me like he was trying to resolve the case. Why not ‘have accepted’ my offer’ if he was referring to the past?

ETA: sorry, I need coffee. He could have been recounting a past discussion prior to the lawsuit. Accept my offer=could means his efforts to help the cousins when he first gave them money.

Yes it’s difficult to draw any conclusions but this was what I was thinking his statement might’ve been in response to, allegations that his offer was intended to make the cousins dependent.

“In response to his cousins’ contention, Sherman withdrew millions of dollars in financial assistance he had been providing them. Their statement of claim contended he had offered the financial assistance in the first place in order to make the cousins dependent on him, and to keep them from learning about their rights to the business — a contention Sherman’s counsel denied in a response filed with the court.”
Two legacies, one dark mystery: Toronto elite reeling after violent deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman

 

[MistyWaters]

Just the other day I read where Honey is believed to have been attacked at the front door entry area. No idea where link is.

We have known that Honey had a pool of blood around her at the swimming pool where she was found.

Were dogs used to track in the house to find where the attacks took place, where the blood trail for Honey started?

LE hasn’t revealed any information regarding the attack. I believe luminol is used by LE to detect if blood has been cleaned up.

 

[1&2&3]

My guess is Kerry Winter is being a gentleman by withholding many stories about BS. He could really tell some juicy tales after all the years they were on the friendly side. Add what he heard from the gossip vine during the time they were on the outs, and the nosy public would be thrilled.

Perhaps Kerry Winter will write a book after the murder is solved or a respectable amount of time has passed.

My opinion only.

 

[MistyWaters]

LE hasn’t revealed any information regarding the attack. I believe luminol is used by LE to detect if blood has been cleaned up.

ETA. Contractions and BBM
“To the investigators who’ve been on the case for the past 10 months—the police and a team of private detectives hired by the couple’s four adult children—the crime presents a series of contradictions. Police found no evidence of a break-in, and the manner in which the Shermans were killed was personal, even intimate. The official cause of death for both was “ligature neck compression,” meaning strangulation by a cord or belt—painful, terrifying, and indicating a passionate desire to see them suffer. Then again, the tidiness of the scene suggested the work of professionals.

 

[MistyWaters]

My guess is Kerry Winter is being a gentleman by withholding many stories about BS. He could really tell some juicy tales after all the years they were on the friendly side. Add what he heard from the gossip vine during the time they were on the outs, and the nosy public would be thrilled.

Perhaps Kerry Winter will write a book after the murder is solved or a respectable amount of time has passed.

My opinion only.

Watching his media appearsnces the description of him as a “gentleman” certainly didn’t enter my mind. It wasn’t totally surprising that his sister-in-law then filed a court affidavit alleging that he’d had some kind of mental breakdown.

 

[William_60]

And 8 million over a 20 year period with no returns. I don’t think BS expected to see the money again.

This is a key and valid point if we're to have a clear understanding of Barry Sherman.

The money was lent, but at a point well before the sum reached eight million, Sherman had to know the money would not be coming back.

According to Mr. Campbell's in-depth article in Bloomberg Businessweek, Frank D'Angelo owes Sherman 100 M.

Logically, we can assume those loans would never have been called in.

Sued by the boys and no doubt upset about it, Sherman called in the loans.

 

[JDG]

Um, no he can't. He's been banned from posting.

Its not that long ago since he posted. I'm sure I saw him either posting or 'liking' some posts just the other day?

As a VI, doubtful WS would ban him for 'liking' posts. No?

 

[JDG]

This is a key and valid point if we're to have a clear understanding of Barry Sherman.

The money was lent, but at a point well before the sum reached eight million, Sherman had to know the money would not be coming back.

According to Mr. Campbell's in-depth article in Bloomberg Businessweek, Frank D'Angelo owes Sherman 100 M.

Logically, we can assume those loans would never have been called in.

Sued by the boys and no doubt upset about it, Sherman called in the loans.

William, at some point and I don't have the link, I believe there was an accusation that BS may have caused the death of Mr. Winter and that was a huge blow to BS.

Mr. Winter was thought to have died from an aneurism AFAIK.
Sudden and unpredicted.

 

[William_60]

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William, at some point and I don't have the link, I believe there was an accusation that BS may have caused the death of Mr. Winter and that was a huge blow to BS.

Mr. Winter was thought to have died from an aneurism AFAIK.
Sudden and unpredicted.

The deep hurt of having been orphaned at such a young age was profound.

Money and quite possibly anything else, can't ease that pain.

We've all experienced loss that had to be processed internally, loss that, for a time, is our primary focus and that no amount of money or other external support could hope to address on its own.

I write this because my comments here, left on their own, may create the perception I am disregarding Kerry Winter's pain.

Not true. Not even close.

 

[andreww]

The


The deep hurt of having been orphaned at such a young age was profound.

Money and quite possibly anything else, can't ease that pain.

We've all experienced loss that had to be processed internally, loss that, for a time, is our primary focus and that no amount of money or other external support could hope to address on its own.

I write this because my comments here, left on their own, may create the perception I am disregarding Kerry Winter's pain.

Not true. Not even close.

The pain went far beyond the loss of their parents. The were placed with an abusive foster family and their cousin abandoned them while he stole the only future they had. Born to what should have been a very promising lives, Kerry ended up drug addicted, and his brother ended up dead. Funny how peoples interpretations of these kids has been skewed to that of ungrateful leaches, while Barry has the public of being a generous philanthropist.

 

[human]

How old was Barry at the deathof the parents? Didn’t the mother make it clear who she thought was unworthy of having anything to do with her children?

How coukd Barry have stopped the drug use? What did he have to do with their downfall as teens?

Financially, the money would have gone down a rat hole. They with their drug history probably would have never been allowed near a drug manufacturing facility.

Would regulators allow it?